If masks become compulsory in shops.
Poll: If masks become compulsory in shops.
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Discussion
kayc said:
m sorry if you cant be bothered to read and do some research thats up to you..for someone who has no interest in these matters he certainly spends a lot of time and money getting involved!
I realize this is starting to get like Paxman/Howard, but let's try yet again...Do you accept that what you posted about the Gates Foundation in India was inaccurate?
paulguitar said:
kayc said:
m sorry if you cant be bothered to read and do some research thats up to you..for someone who has no interest in these matters he certainly spends a lot of time and money getting involved!
I realize this is starting to get like Paxman/Howard, but let's try yet again...Do you accept that what you posted about the Gates Foundation in India was inaccurate?
xjay1337 said:
How are WE making it worse for Helvectica?
His personal health problems are not my concern, to be frank. Nor is his safety. I'm not going to purposefully run him over, of course. At the same time I would not expect someone else to wear a mask to protect me ........ I take my own personal challenges as my own and don't expect other people to cater around me!
If he is of such ill health (very unfortunate) where we is at high risk of CV19 then me wearing or not wearing a mask is not going to help and he should NOT be going out, if he is scared (understandable given the amount of crap from Governments/WHO/media).
"Normally" breathing - you are not some sort of H-bomb of Coronavirus that the media likes to make it out. Short of repeatedly coughing IN HIS OPEN MOUTH (nice image
) he is not at any higher risk of catching CV-19 when we walk past each other in a shop whether I have a mask on or not.
Besides, wearing a mask, since apparently CV-19 can't go through the mask, means that it can't go into one either (that's reasonable logic, is it not?)
"you wear one to protect me, i wear one to protect you" - is yet more classic Government bull s
t putting the "responsibility" for peoples health into other peoples hands - you wouldn't want to feel guilty by not protecting someone, would you? 
You've missed my point entirely, but never mind.His personal health problems are not my concern, to be frank. Nor is his safety. I'm not going to purposefully run him over, of course. At the same time I would not expect someone else to wear a mask to protect me ........ I take my own personal challenges as my own and don't expect other people to cater around me!
If he is of such ill health (very unfortunate) where we is at high risk of CV19 then me wearing or not wearing a mask is not going to help and he should NOT be going out, if he is scared (understandable given the amount of crap from Governments/WHO/media).
"Normally" breathing - you are not some sort of H-bomb of Coronavirus that the media likes to make it out. Short of repeatedly coughing IN HIS OPEN MOUTH (nice image
) he is not at any higher risk of catching CV-19 when we walk past each other in a shop whether I have a mask on or not.Besides, wearing a mask, since apparently CV-19 can't go through the mask, means that it can't go into one either (that's reasonable logic, is it not?)
"you wear one to protect me, i wear one to protect you" - is yet more classic Government bull s
t putting the "responsibility" for peoples health into other peoples hands - you wouldn't want to feel guilty by not protecting someone, would you? Edited by xjay1337 on Tuesday 1st September 11:22
As you were.
paulguitar said:
kayc said:
m sorry if you cant be bothered to read and do some research thats up to you..for someone who has no interest in these matters he certainly spends a lot of time and money getting involved!
I realize this is starting to get like Paxman/Howard, but let's try yet again...Do you accept that what you posted about the Gates Foundation in India was inaccurate?
I was in a shopping mall on Sunday and it was very busy, with 100% mask compliance and people lining up for stores. My gut feeling is the mask policy has worked as intended here, in as much as it has given people the confidence to start doing things (please note this isn't an endorsement of wearing masks as a protective measure). I think over time compliance will ebb.
Cinemas are also open and I went on Saturday and going again this evening. No masks required while seated. The showing i was in was sold out with socially distanced seating.
The battleground here (Ontario) seems to be schools. There seems to be a lot of resistance from the general public and the unions to get the schools back, schools are being seen as the vector for the virus to bounce back (which I disagree with). The Govt here IMO put them selves on the back foot by stating that schools would be closed if cases increased again, however they did plan to get schools back 5 days a week.
My feeling is that the govt wants kids back in schools (don't we all), and eventually will have to fight them selves out of the corner they have backed them selves in to.
Cinemas are also open and I went on Saturday and going again this evening. No masks required while seated. The showing i was in was sold out with socially distanced seating.
The battleground here (Ontario) seems to be schools. There seems to be a lot of resistance from the general public and the unions to get the schools back, schools are being seen as the vector for the virus to bounce back (which I disagree with). The Govt here IMO put them selves on the back foot by stating that schools would be closed if cases increased again, however they did plan to get schools back 5 days a week.
My feeling is that the govt wants kids back in schools (don't we all), and eventually will have to fight them selves out of the corner they have backed them selves in to.
Edited by gregs656 on Tuesday 1st September 15:54
kayc said:
f you believe fullfact is 100% accurate maybe..maybe you also believe Neil Ferguson and his predictions as they were also printed by the media so must be true?
You are still being very slipperyDo you accept that what you posted about the Gates Foundation in India was inaccurate?
paulguitar said:
kayc said:
f you believe fullfact is 100% accurate maybe..maybe you also believe Neil Ferguson and his predictions as they were also printed by the media so must be true?
You are still being very slipperyDo you accept that what you posted about the Gates Foundation in India was inaccurate?
kayc said:
f i believed everything i read id be as easily conned as most of the public appear to be..be nice to get an answer as to why Bill Gates is so interested though in science/vaccines..coz hes such a great(very wealthy) person who believes in eugenics and population control i'd imagine..
I dunno, maybe he made so much money he wanted for nothing more for himself, and decided instead to stop poor people suffering with some horrible disease? Do you admit that altruism is possible? Why would he need to make any more money?While I'm not going to be queueing up for a vaccine for this any time soon, (simply because it's swapping a known tiny risk with an unknown, probably tiny risk), I don't understand this rush to assign dark motives to the likes of Gates. Maybe he's actually a nice guy who has had a chance to make a difference.
I don't have the time or the inclination to read every page on this thread, let alone every post.
But to summarise.
If you wear a mask, you are accepting that you will be programmed and controlled via the Government (who can't organise anything on time, to budget, or to demand, or even desire).
If you don't wear a mask you are a free thinker, but to do anything about it you have to encourage mass civil disobedience.
So those of us that just put a mask on as we get to public areas and remove it when not needed, are guilty of following laws and polite etiquette.
It's a mask, that is not controlled or organised by anybody. Nobody ticks you off on a register as you enter a shop, or asks for identification if you do or don't wear a mask. So who knows who is in what category? it is down to personal choice (pretty much) with some laws to be enforced if the situation demands it (very few of those).
Have I got that right?
Count me in for being guilty of following the laws of the land and against civil disobedience if so. Feel free to summarise it better if I have it wrong.
But to summarise.
If you wear a mask, you are accepting that you will be programmed and controlled via the Government (who can't organise anything on time, to budget, or to demand, or even desire).
If you don't wear a mask you are a free thinker, but to do anything about it you have to encourage mass civil disobedience.
So those of us that just put a mask on as we get to public areas and remove it when not needed, are guilty of following laws and polite etiquette.
It's a mask, that is not controlled or organised by anybody. Nobody ticks you off on a register as you enter a shop, or asks for identification if you do or don't wear a mask. So who knows who is in what category? it is down to personal choice (pretty much) with some laws to be enforced if the situation demands it (very few of those).
Have I got that right?
Count me in for being guilty of following the laws of the land and against civil disobedience if so. Feel free to summarise it better if I have it wrong.
paulguitar said:
kayc said:
think ive answered that.
Actually, you really haven't. A simple 'yes' or 'no' would do.kayc said:
you do believe Neil Ferguson told the truth because the media reported that?
What has this got to do with anything? Stop attempting to deflect.kayc said:
s i said if fullfact are 100% trustworthy then i am incorrect
Surely you'd thoroughly checked your Gates story before posting it? It's a hell of an accusation to make.kayc said:
..but as everything we read according to you is fact then you do believe Neil Ferguson/Fauci/Gates however inaccurate the outcomes of their predictions are..still waiting for 500k UK deaths and 2.5mln US deaths..you seem to have forgotten we have destroyed the world economy on these clowns opinions.
Nope, you've gone 'off on one' again.I was just asking one question.
paulguitar said:
kayc said:
s i said if fullfact are 100% trustworthy then i am incorrect
Surely you'd thoroughly checked your Gates story before posting it? It's a hell of an accusation to make.kayc said:
..but as everything we read according to you is fact then you do believe Neil Ferguson/Fauci/Gates however inaccurate the outcomes of their predictions are..still waiting for 500k UK deaths and 2.5mln US deaths..you seem to have forgotten we have destroyed the world economy on these clowns opinions.
Nope, you've gone 'off on one' again.I was just asking one question.
kayc said:
nd im asking you one.
Clearly you are living in a 'post fact' world, anything you agree with you assert with no evidence (and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence in my world), and anything you disagree with you stoop as low as saying 'Well you say anything written down must be fact' (which is clearly nonsense).If you haven't watched the documentary called 'Behind the Curve' I highly recommend you do.
The Gates accusation would be hilarious if it were not so ugly.
Gates himself had been openly critical of the US response to the pandemic, yet no response from the Trumpers accusing
him of these alleged conspiracies?..they love that kind of thing.
The complete nonsense that Gates profits personally by this fantasy is beyond words. The Gates foundation is a charity dedicated to improving world health into which had pumped billions of dollars. He does NOT get any returns or dividends and has pledged to donate 100% of his wealth to the foundation, ( as has Warren Buffett, McKenzie Bezos and many others.).
Of course his wealth has grown as has the majority of people in the market. Just look at the Dow or the Nasdaq. Does anyone have the slightest idea why the wealthiest man in the world, having pledged to give away all his wealth would conceivably create such a conspiracy.
Then of course we get the superb : "Gates is not a scientist".
This is a brilliant individual who gets the greatest expertise on the planet to inform him. (He did not invent Windows personally and the only product he personally developed was CP/M. ). He is well capable of sitting at a table with the best minds and making informed decisions. I have met him on a fair number of occasions in the Microsoft days, and I find it laughable that the fact he is not a scientist means he is a gullible fool or a knave. Of course, there are those who think Fauci is another fool despite advising six presidents, and to whom Gates talks frequently.
I guess people here know much better.
Gates himself had been openly critical of the US response to the pandemic, yet no response from the Trumpers accusing
him of these alleged conspiracies?..they love that kind of thing.
The complete nonsense that Gates profits personally by this fantasy is beyond words. The Gates foundation is a charity dedicated to improving world health into which had pumped billions of dollars. He does NOT get any returns or dividends and has pledged to donate 100% of his wealth to the foundation, ( as has Warren Buffett, McKenzie Bezos and many others.).
Of course his wealth has grown as has the majority of people in the market. Just look at the Dow or the Nasdaq. Does anyone have the slightest idea why the wealthiest man in the world, having pledged to give away all his wealth would conceivably create such a conspiracy.
Then of course we get the superb : "Gates is not a scientist".
This is a brilliant individual who gets the greatest expertise on the planet to inform him. (He did not invent Windows personally and the only product he personally developed was CP/M. ). He is well capable of sitting at a table with the best minds and making informed decisions. I have met him on a fair number of occasions in the Microsoft days, and I find it laughable that the fact he is not a scientist means he is a gullible fool or a knave. Of course, there are those who think Fauci is another fool despite advising six presidents, and to whom Gates talks frequently.
I guess people here know much better.
gregs656 said:
kayc said:
nd im asking you one.
Clearly you are living in a 'post fact' world, anything you agree with you assert with no evidence (and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence in my world), and anything you disagree with you stoop as low as saying 'Well you say anything written down must be fact' (which is clearly nonsense).If you haven't watched the documentary called 'Behind the Curve' I highly recommend you do.
kayc said:
gregs656 said:
kayc said:
nd im asking you one.
Clearly you are living in a 'post fact' world, anything you agree with you assert with no evidence (and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence in my world), and anything you disagree with you stoop as low as saying 'Well you say anything written down must be fact' (which is clearly nonsense).If you haven't watched the documentary called 'Behind the Curve' I highly recommend you do.
kayc said:
ell we will see in time what this farce is all about..as the true medical stats now sure it sure as hell isnt about a virus any worse than a bad flu season...i cant see how anybody can believe the death/case rate warrants the reactions from the govts worldwide..its either planned or they are totally incompetent....
Totally incompetent, definitely a maybe.Planned? World wide, in a matter of days and weeks? Remember when the virus 1st struck and was spreading like wildfire, there was no planning or control at all. We (country) were not even listening to the parts of the world that had suffered before we did, and then we reacted so badly and slowly afterwards, there is not a chance in hell you could even consider it planned.
Johnson doesn't plan, he reacts. leads from the front when he knows what direction his followers are going.
What you should be asking is, why so many voted him in. It was fairly obvious we were asking for chaos at that point, and boy, have we got it.
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