Covid 19 - long term effects ?
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DeWar said:
This is slightly less bizarre and inexplicable than it sounds.
It has become clear that Covid is a vascular as well as a respiratory disease i.e. it affects the normal functioning of blood vessels. There is lots of evidence for this. A large proportion of hospitalised Covid develop blood clots; Covid-associated stroke; the fact that high blood pressure appears to be a risk factor; the high mortality rate in smokers (initially assumed to be because of lung disease but smoking also knackers blood vessels). It even helps explain some of the weirder symptoms like “Covid toe” which could be due to inflammation of the blood vessels (vasculitis) in the toes and the possible association between Covid and Kawasaki Disease - a rare systemic vasculitis in children.
To explain the observation about diabetics: diabetes is a very significant risk factor for developing vascular disease, which is why it seems to be associated with poor Covid outcomes. Vascular disease is in turn the cause of most of the serious diabetes related complications. However, diabetes induced vascular disease happens over time, typically years or even decades before becoming clinically significant. So a diabetic child will have healthy blood vessels because they simply haven’t had diabetes long enough for it to affect them and therefore they will not have the same risk as older diabetics.
Basically it’s the same reason 15 year old diabetics don’t have heart attacks but 50 year old diabetics do. Indeed it may partly explain why Covid is such a mild illness in kids and why it’s so much more severe in the over 70’s - children have healthy blood vessels in general whereas the older you get, the more diseased they become.
As someone diagnosed with linked vascular / autoimmune / respiratory disease may I ask if this is an area you are "expert" in or is this something you have Goggled?It has become clear that Covid is a vascular as well as a respiratory disease i.e. it affects the normal functioning of blood vessels. There is lots of evidence for this. A large proportion of hospitalised Covid develop blood clots; Covid-associated stroke; the fact that high blood pressure appears to be a risk factor; the high mortality rate in smokers (initially assumed to be because of lung disease but smoking also knackers blood vessels). It even helps explain some of the weirder symptoms like “Covid toe” which could be due to inflammation of the blood vessels (vasculitis) in the toes and the possible association between Covid and Kawasaki Disease - a rare systemic vasculitis in children.
To explain the observation about diabetics: diabetes is a very significant risk factor for developing vascular disease, which is why it seems to be associated with poor Covid outcomes. Vascular disease is in turn the cause of most of the serious diabetes related complications. However, diabetes induced vascular disease happens over time, typically years or even decades before becoming clinically significant. So a diabetic child will have healthy blood vessels because they simply haven’t had diabetes long enough for it to affect them and therefore they will not have the same risk as older diabetics.
Basically it’s the same reason 15 year old diabetics don’t have heart attacks but 50 year old diabetics do. Indeed it may partly explain why Covid is such a mild illness in kids and why it’s so much more severe in the over 70’s - children have healthy blood vessels in general whereas the older you get, the more diseased they become.
Edited by DeWar on Tuesday 14th July 22:33
catweasle said:
As someone diagnosed with linked vascular / autoimmune / respiratory disease may I ask if this is an area you are "expert" in or is this something you have Goggled?
Not an expert on Covid by any means: I do have an interest and a lot of clinical experience in diabetes.DeWar said:
catweasle said:
As someone diagnosed with linked vascular / autoimmune / respiratory disease may I ask if this is an area you are "expert" in or is this something you have Goggled?
Not an expert on Covid by any means: I do have an interest and a lot of clinical experience in diabetes.Another interesting report through
Neurological complications of Covid-19 can include delirium, brain inflammation, stroke, and nerve damage, finds a new UCL and UCLH-led study.
Published in the journal Brain, the research team identified one rare and sometimes fatal inflammatory condition, known as ADEM, which appears to be increasing in prevalence due to the pandemic.
Some patients in the study did not experience severe respiratory symptoms, and the neurological disorder was the first and main presentation of Covid-19.
https://scitechdaily.com/delirium-brain-inflammati...
Neurological complications of Covid-19 can include delirium, brain inflammation, stroke, and nerve damage, finds a new UCL and UCLH-led study.
Published in the journal Brain, the research team identified one rare and sometimes fatal inflammatory condition, known as ADEM, which appears to be increasing in prevalence due to the pandemic.
Some patients in the study did not experience severe respiratory symptoms, and the neurological disorder was the first and main presentation of Covid-19.
https://scitechdaily.com/delirium-brain-inflammati...
I think the long term effects will be a decrease in economic growth for all countries, especially in tourism and exports.
Locally i expect schools and businesses to carry on some of the safety measures for sometime to come. The company i work for have only just announced the planning of phase 1 of 4 for returning to the office. We won't be returning until last as our departments management already had a disaster plan in place that involved everyone working from home.
Regarding other businesses i suspect many are now looking at how much they could downsize their office requirements by having employees work from home, and save a lot on overly expensive office buildings while also increasing the pool of possible applicants for future positions as travel would no longer be an issue.
The NHS is where i expect to see the most change, as the long term health impact and additional strain on the system become more apparent.
I've posted a link below for an article that shows the effects this disease can have on a healthy individual to highlight just how bad this will be even with a vaccine for those who have already suffered.
https://globalnews.ca/news/6963878/coronavirus-nur...
It's also worth mentioning the economic impact on families, A working parent now unable to work or dead, leaving the family in turmoil leading to a second generation feeling the impact of the pandemic for decades to come.
Locally i expect schools and businesses to carry on some of the safety measures for sometime to come. The company i work for have only just announced the planning of phase 1 of 4 for returning to the office. We won't be returning until last as our departments management already had a disaster plan in place that involved everyone working from home.
Regarding other businesses i suspect many are now looking at how much they could downsize their office requirements by having employees work from home, and save a lot on overly expensive office buildings while also increasing the pool of possible applicants for future positions as travel would no longer be an issue.
The NHS is where i expect to see the most change, as the long term health impact and additional strain on the system become more apparent.
I've posted a link below for an article that shows the effects this disease can have on a healthy individual to highlight just how bad this will be even with a vaccine for those who have already suffered.
https://globalnews.ca/news/6963878/coronavirus-nur...
It's also worth mentioning the economic impact on families, A working parent now unable to work or dead, leaving the family in turmoil leading to a second generation feeling the impact of the pandemic for decades to come.
wc98 said:
mx5nut said:
It's the problem with focussing on the death stats. People look at the numbers for their age group, see a (relatively) low number of deaths and think that means they'll be just fine if they catch it - so they don't take it seriously.
The face masks and anti vax threads are full of people who would rather have it spread through our population unchecked than take any personal responsibility in society and go to even the smallest amount of trouble to slow or stop it.
some threads have people telling lies about others positions, like this one. as far as i can see people that don't want to wear face masks in shops will just not be going into those shops, yes ? .The face masks and anti vax threads are full of people who would rather have it spread through our population unchecked than take any personal responsibility in society and go to even the smallest amount of trouble to slow or stop it.
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