Great article; Petrolicious up for sale
Discussion
Four Litre said:
Very sad as that's the truth. Stay away from social media as say one thing the baying mob don't like and kiss your career / life's work goodbye. Its a sad day for freedom of speech and the freedoms millions have died for over the years.
I have never heard such drivel. Actually no, cancel that. I hear it all the time.you have ended up doing what a lot of people do, and confuse free speech with the behaviour required when running a business.
Everyone has the right free speech in the UK/USA, and most other countries.
You can stand in the middle of the local park and say whatever you want, provided you aren't inciting violence or hated, which aren't exactly difficult principles to adhere to.
But when you run a business, you can't say things that will upset your customers or your sponsors/advertisers. That isn't rocket science, it's just simple common sense crossed with a bit of business acumen.
Stop deliberately trying to confuse free speech with the standards required of a company owner, CEO or employee. They are absolutely not the same.
Lord Marylebone said:
I have never heard such drivel. Actually no, cancel that. I hear it all the time.
you have ended up doing what a lot of people do, and confuse free speech with the behaviour required when running a business.
Everyone has the right free speech in the UK/USA, and most other countries.
You can stand in the middle of the local park and say whatever you want, provided you aren't inciting violence or hated, which aren't exactly difficult principles to adhere to.
But when you run a business, you can't say things that will upset your customers or your sponsors/advertisers. That isn't rocket science, it's just simple common sense crossed with a bit of business acumen.
Stop deliberately trying to confuse free speech with the standards required of a company owner, CEO or employee. They are absolutely not the same.
And also don't forget to show your support for the cause of the day otherwise keeping quiet might also get you deplatformed and twitter mobbed.you have ended up doing what a lot of people do, and confuse free speech with the behaviour required when running a business.
Everyone has the right free speech in the UK/USA, and most other countries.
You can stand in the middle of the local park and say whatever you want, provided you aren't inciting violence or hated, which aren't exactly difficult principles to adhere to.
But when you run a business, you can't say things that will upset your customers or your sponsors/advertisers. That isn't rocket science, it's just simple common sense crossed with a bit of business acumen.
Stop deliberately trying to confuse free speech with the standards required of a company owner, CEO or employee. They are absolutely not the same.
How many of the black squares on websites and Twitter really support BLM or are just playing the game to avoid faux outrage.
I don't watch Petrolicious because of its owner's views, I watch it for the cars.
I couldn't care either way what its owner thinks about BLM. If he likes it that's fine, if he doesn't that's fine too. You don't need to look far on Youtube for example to find black people that have problems with BLM and the activities done in their name. After the riots, the chaos and deaths in the CHAZ/CHOP, the shooting of a woman who dared to say "All lives matter" and the racist remarks of BLM member Yusra Khogali its easy to see why someone would have doubts about supporting them.
There is going to be a very dark outcome for "cancel" culture in the future. Many would say there already is.
Recently we've seen radio presenter Stu Peters sacked for arguing about "white privilege" on a radio phone in. Denying it is a sackable offence now. He was reinstated but only on condition that he never broadcast live again.
Lecturer Gordon Klein was sacked for rejecting a proposal for black students to allowed to skip final exams. He asked students to consider if Martin Luther King would want that. This was "woefully racist" so he had to go.
The tragedy is that we were actually doing fairly well before this started. No one objects to a diverse workplace environment anymore for example, nobody minds a BAME politician, colleague or manager. If we're not careful this is going to go into reverse.
The people who create these twitter "thought police" mobs have no problem with racism when it suits them. Check where their gadgets come from and google the plight of the Uyghurs.
I couldn't care either way what its owner thinks about BLM. If he likes it that's fine, if he doesn't that's fine too. You don't need to look far on Youtube for example to find black people that have problems with BLM and the activities done in their name. After the riots, the chaos and deaths in the CHAZ/CHOP, the shooting of a woman who dared to say "All lives matter" and the racist remarks of BLM member Yusra Khogali its easy to see why someone would have doubts about supporting them.
There is going to be a very dark outcome for "cancel" culture in the future. Many would say there already is.
Recently we've seen radio presenter Stu Peters sacked for arguing about "white privilege" on a radio phone in. Denying it is a sackable offence now. He was reinstated but only on condition that he never broadcast live again.
Lecturer Gordon Klein was sacked for rejecting a proposal for black students to allowed to skip final exams. He asked students to consider if Martin Luther King would want that. This was "woefully racist" so he had to go.
The tragedy is that we were actually doing fairly well before this started. No one objects to a diverse workplace environment anymore for example, nobody minds a BAME politician, colleague or manager. If we're not careful this is going to go into reverse.
The people who create these twitter "thought police" mobs have no problem with racism when it suits them. Check where their gadgets come from and google the plight of the Uyghurs.
Well..looks like it is sold...got the email below today- wonder who buyer is?....( I was a founding member)...
Dear Petrolisti,
Kika and I want to personally thank all of you for your support, enthusiasm, and excitement over the years. A big thank you to our Members who helped make possible our premium series and the Drive Tastefully quarterly magazine which is a pure labor of love. Most of all, we want to extend a heart-felt thank you to our Founding Members who believed in the brand and in our vision for offering premium content to our community. We often receive fan mail expressing how much Petrolicious has inspired you to buy that first classic car, or start that first project, or do your first track event. It’s our turn to thank you for how much you have inspired us to continue with this enterprise and push our limits.
The time has now come for us to pass the baton to new owners and management. I believe the new management truly understands and appreciates what Petrolicious stands for, and I’m very much encouraged by their vision for where they want to take the brand. Like you, we will continue to follow Petrolicous closely and will look forward with bated breath for the next film, event, or whatever new offering will be in store.
As always, Drive Tastefully.
Afshin Behnia & Kika Vigo-Behnia
Stay in touch on IG at @Petrolista
Dear Petrolisti,
Kika and I want to personally thank all of you for your support, enthusiasm, and excitement over the years. A big thank you to our Members who helped make possible our premium series and the Drive Tastefully quarterly magazine which is a pure labor of love. Most of all, we want to extend a heart-felt thank you to our Founding Members who believed in the brand and in our vision for offering premium content to our community. We often receive fan mail expressing how much Petrolicious has inspired you to buy that first classic car, or start that first project, or do your first track event. It’s our turn to thank you for how much you have inspired us to continue with this enterprise and push our limits.
The time has now come for us to pass the baton to new owners and management. I believe the new management truly understands and appreciates what Petrolicious stands for, and I’m very much encouraged by their vision for where they want to take the brand. Like you, we will continue to follow Petrolicous closely and will look forward with bated breath for the next film, event, or whatever new offering will be in store.
As always, Drive Tastefully.
Afshin Behnia & Kika Vigo-Behnia
Stay in touch on IG at @Petrolista
RDMcG said:
Well..looks like it is sold...got the email below today- wonder who buyer is?....( I was a founding member)...
Dear Petrolisti,
Kika and I want to personally thank all of you for your support, enthusiasm, and excitement over the years. A big thank you to our Members who helped make possible our premium series and the Drive Tastefully quarterly magazine which is a pure labor of love. Most of all, we want to extend a heart-felt thank you to our Founding Members who believed in the brand and in our vision for offering premium content to our community. We often receive fan mail expressing how much Petrolicious has inspired you to buy that first classic car, or start that first project, or do your first track event. It’s our turn to thank you for how much you have inspired us to continue with this enterprise and push our limits.
The time has now come for us to pass the baton to new owners and management. I believe the new management truly understands and appreciates what Petrolicious stands for, and I’m very much encouraged by their vision for where they want to take the brand. Like you, we will continue to follow Petrolicous closely and will look forward with bated breath for the next film, event, or whatever new offering will be in store.
As always, Drive Tastefully.
Afshin Behnia & Kika Vigo-Behnia
Stay in touch on IG at @Petrolista
as a fellow founding member, it will be good to see new content and to see how the brand is taken forward with the new owners.Dear Petrolisti,
Kika and I want to personally thank all of you for your support, enthusiasm, and excitement over the years. A big thank you to our Members who helped make possible our premium series and the Drive Tastefully quarterly magazine which is a pure labor of love. Most of all, we want to extend a heart-felt thank you to our Founding Members who believed in the brand and in our vision for offering premium content to our community. We often receive fan mail expressing how much Petrolicious has inspired you to buy that first classic car, or start that first project, or do your first track event. It’s our turn to thank you for how much you have inspired us to continue with this enterprise and push our limits.
The time has now come for us to pass the baton to new owners and management. I believe the new management truly understands and appreciates what Petrolicious stands for, and I’m very much encouraged by their vision for where they want to take the brand. Like you, we will continue to follow Petrolicous closely and will look forward with bated breath for the next film, event, or whatever new offering will be in store.
As always, Drive Tastefully.
Afshin Behnia & Kika Vigo-Behnia
Stay in touch on IG at @Petrolista
Ed
cymtriks said:
I don't watch Petrolicious because of its owner's views, I watch it for the cars.
I couldn't care either way what its owner thinks about BLM. If he likes it that's fine, if he doesn't that's fine too. You don't need to look far on Youtube for example to find black people that have problems with BLM and the activities done in their name. After the riots, the chaos and deaths in the CHAZ/CHOP, the shooting of a woman who dared to say "All lives matter" and the racist remarks of BLM member Yusra Khogali its easy to see why someone would have doubts about supporting them.
There is going to be a very dark outcome for "cancel" culture in the future. Many would say there already is.
Recently we've seen radio presenter Stu Peters sacked for arguing about "white privilege" on a radio phone in. Denying it is a sackable offence now. He was reinstated but only on condition that he never broadcast live again.
Lecturer Gordon Klein was sacked for rejecting a proposal for black students to allowed to skip final exams. He asked students to consider if Martin Luther King would want that. This was "woefully racist" so he had to go.
The tragedy is that we were actually doing fairly well before this started. No one objects to a diverse workplace environment anymore for example, nobody minds a BAME politician, colleague or manager. If we're not careful this is going to go into reverse.
The people who create these twitter "thought police" mobs have no problem with racism when it suits them. Check where their gadgets come from and google the plight of the Uyghurs.
It is views like this that are the problem. I don’t blame you personally, you don’t get it and never will. For example, you don’t realise the implication of a sentence in which you state “if we’re not careful this is going to go into reverse.” The mere thought of it is a window into your true attitude on this subject.I couldn't care either way what its owner thinks about BLM. If he likes it that's fine, if he doesn't that's fine too. You don't need to look far on Youtube for example to find black people that have problems with BLM and the activities done in their name. After the riots, the chaos and deaths in the CHAZ/CHOP, the shooting of a woman who dared to say "All lives matter" and the racist remarks of BLM member Yusra Khogali its easy to see why someone would have doubts about supporting them.
There is going to be a very dark outcome for "cancel" culture in the future. Many would say there already is.
Recently we've seen radio presenter Stu Peters sacked for arguing about "white privilege" on a radio phone in. Denying it is a sackable offence now. He was reinstated but only on condition that he never broadcast live again.
Lecturer Gordon Klein was sacked for rejecting a proposal for black students to allowed to skip final exams. He asked students to consider if Martin Luther King would want that. This was "woefully racist" so he had to go.
The tragedy is that we were actually doing fairly well before this started. No one objects to a diverse workplace environment anymore for example, nobody minds a BAME politician, colleague or manager. If we're not careful this is going to go into reverse.
The people who create these twitter "thought police" mobs have no problem with racism when it suits them. Check where their gadgets come from and google the plight of the Uyghurs.
This man can write what he wants when in the confines of what is deemed to be a safe environment . But when you air these opinions, you are playing a dangerous game, as you immediately run the risk of offending a whole group of people, call it BAME, LGBT, Muslims, Jews, or whoever that identify themselves with the term minority. And once that genie is out, you are forever labelled. Is it really worth it?
Oh well....
maz8062 said:
This man can write what he wants when in the confines of what is deemed to be a safe environment . But when you air these opinions, you are playing a dangerous game, as you immediately run the risk of offending a whole group of people, call it BAME, LGBT, Muslims, Jews, or whoever that identify themselves with the term minority. And once that genie is out, you are forever labelled. Is it really worth it?
They can't help it. One can play along only so long before real one emerges at least temporarily. At modern times it is always done either in front of cameras or in social media. So when it does its game over.maz8062 said:
...For example, you don’t realise the implication of a sentence in which you state “if we’re not careful this is going to go into reverse.” The mere thought of it is a window into your true attitude on this subject....
Can you explain what you think the poster meant by this? For example, I agree with it. But not in any joyous way, that it should be reversed etc etc.
Why is that sort of view/comment tthe problem on a debate such as this? To me, it's a real concern that needs to be out there - not to stop or stifle debate. Not because *some* of what BLM have stated is "wrong"...but because it's really necessary to ensure results stick. And if one is not careful about approach on anything it is all too easy for that not to happen.
The inability to have calm, rational debate is more likely to the be the real too cause of many issues. "You don't get it and never will" is not how things will be resolved long term for the better.
maz8062 said:
It is views like this that are the problem. I don’t blame you personally, you don’t get it and never will. For example, you don’t realise the implication of a sentence in which you state “if we’re not careful this is going to go into reverse.” The mere thought of it is a window into your true attitude on this subject.
So what is his 'true attitude on this subject'Because I took it to mean that when special interest groups push their agenda too far, there's inevitably a backlash and that backlash is seldom proportionate. In the case of race, we as a society have been increasingly tolerant of one another - it's all been in one direction, increasing tolerance and understanding, same for LGBT and many others.
But when a group decides that things aren't progressing quickly enough (or has an agenda, and BLM being run by 'trained Marxists' should speak volumes) and starts to make demands that too many people don't feel comfortable complying with they lose support for the very group of people they purport to be advocating for.
Disband the police, allow any man who self-identifies as a woman to be in women-only spaces - the consequences of these things concern people and if their concerns are dismissed, they're told to 'educate' themselves or that they're a bigot and a Nazi for expressing a genuine concern, they'll stop caring and speaking up when they come across attitudes that they would once have found distateful.
Once enough people no longer care about your cause, you've lost your voice.
maz8062 said:
This man can write what he wants when in the confines of what is deemed to be a safe environment . But when you air these opinions, you are playing a dangerous game, as you immediately run the risk of offending a whole group of people, call it BAME, LGBT, Muslims, Jews, or whoever that identify themselves with the term minority. And once that genie is out, you are forever labelled. Is it really worth it?
Oh well....
i'm glad you wrote with and not as. identity politics is divisive, imo, and i personally can support 'with' but abhor 'as' or 'as a'. if a person sees their entire identity as revolving around their skin colour, sexuality or gender i see that person as a genuine fOh well....
king loon (apologies for the bad language but this genuinely riles me beyond belief) that damages progress to what i hope the end game should be. ie people seeing other people. not black,brown or white people, or gay people or any other minority definition that is only designed to divide.there is a long way to go and at this point in time we appear to be at a cross roads as to how fast and easy progress will be made. i do have confidence that despite the loon element, desperate to hold onto that special minority status, we will get there in the end.
RDMcG said:
Well..looks like it is sold...got the email below today- wonder who buyer is?....( I was a founding member)...
Dear Petrolisti,
Kika and I want to personally thank all of you for your support, enthusiasm, and excitement over the years. A big thank you to our Members who helped make possible our premium series and the Drive Tastefully quarterly magazine which is a pure labor of love. Most of all, we want to extend a heart-felt thank you to our Founding Members who believed in the brand and in our vision for offering premium content to our community. We often receive fan mail expressing how much Petrolicious has inspired you to buy that first classic car, or start that first project, or do your first track event. It’s our turn to thank you for how much you have inspired us to continue with this enterprise and push our limits.
The time has now come for us to pass the baton to new owners and management. I believe the new management truly understands and appreciates what Petrolicious stands for, and I’m very much encouraged by their vision for where they want to take the brand. Like you, we will continue to follow Petrolicous closely and will look forward with bated breath for the next film, event, or whatever new offering will be in store.
As always, Drive Tastefully.
Afshin Behnia & Kika Vigo-Behnia
Stay in touch on IG at @Petrolista
I guess you read that already elsewhere:Dear Petrolisti,
Kika and I want to personally thank all of you for your support, enthusiasm, and excitement over the years. A big thank you to our Members who helped make possible our premium series and the Drive Tastefully quarterly magazine which is a pure labor of love. Most of all, we want to extend a heart-felt thank you to our Founding Members who believed in the brand and in our vision for offering premium content to our community. We often receive fan mail expressing how much Petrolicious has inspired you to buy that first classic car, or start that first project, or do your first track event. It’s our turn to thank you for how much you have inspired us to continue with this enterprise and push our limits.
The time has now come for us to pass the baton to new owners and management. I believe the new management truly understands and appreciates what Petrolicious stands for, and I’m very much encouraged by their vision for where they want to take the brand. Like you, we will continue to follow Petrolicous closely and will look forward with bated breath for the next film, event, or whatever new offering will be in store.
As always, Drive Tastefully.
Afshin Behnia & Kika Vigo-Behnia
Stay in touch on IG at @Petrolista
Petrolicious, ..., has been acquired by the newly formed company Propulsion Media, led by auto industry media veteran Pat Devereux backed by Adrian Roche at Bennelong Capital, according to an announcement released...
https://journal.classiccars.com/2020/08/03/petroli...
I'm very curious how big the impact of Behnia's medial commotion was on the value of Petrolicious. 50%? higher?
Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff