Manchester Bomber sentencing

[BrundanBianchi]

mac96 said:

The two security guards quoted had one thing in common- very young. They may have worked at quite a few events but tact and self confidence develop with age. I wouldn't blame either of them for not reacting differently.

I also wonder just how much initiative their employers expect of them- or is it just -'stand by that fire exit and make sure no one uses it unless there is a fire'

The security guards were just minimum wage lackeys. The majority of the blame lies with the police, who went on an unnecessarily long break, in my opinion.

[Dromedary66]

BrundanBianchi said:

The security guards were just minimum wage lackeys. The majority of the blame lies with the police, who went on an unnecessarily long break, in my opinion.

Indeed, and this has exposed what many have known all along, that for the majority of the time, the police are doing nothing. As evidenced in this case by the 2 hour ride for a kebab.

It's just that most of the time it goes completely unnoticed, unluckily for these two (and the people they were 'serving') they happened to be on shift during one of the worst terrorist attacks the UK has seen.

[BlackLabel]

“ Police have admitted for the first time that officers who failed to patrol the site of the Manchester suicide bombing had “let the public down”.

Two British Transport Police officers left the area to take a meal break of more than two hours that involved a five-mile trip to buy kebabs.

The most senior officer supposed to be on duty that night never turned up, having claimed that he was doing a “drive-by” inspection of an unnamed “sensitive site”.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/manchester...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-5...

[anonymous-user]

When i worked for a rail company BTP were known to be the dregs of the police so not really surprising.

[4Q]

coolg said:

You can’t just stop brown people with rucksacks assuming they are all bombers. That would result j a disproportionate stopping of Asian men by the police.

An Asian man on his own is hardly the usual demographic for an Ariana Grande concert though so in this instance they should. It not a question of race but one of context.

[Biggy Stardust]

XCP said:

'Lunch breaks'. I heard about them.
Mostly from CPS lawyers.

Here's a more robust source:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/manchester...

[anonymous-user]

Let's be honest, once he left his house (or wherever) the best case scenario was killing fewer people.

I expect everyone who may have challenged him are glad they didn't.

There's no contingency for a device like that other than not being near it.

[BlackLabel]

“ An inquiry into the bombing, which claimed 22 lives and injured hundreds of people, heard that senior officers had attended a "table-top" training exercise in which a terrorist attack ended up in the same foyer where Abedi blew himself up 10 months later.

The exercise, which simulated an attack on a Disney on Ice event, had echoes of the audience profile for the Ariana Grande concert targeted in May 2017.

But the inquiry was told that BTP officers took no "written learning" from the event and could not remember whether they passed on any tips.“

https://news.sky.com/story/manchester-arena-bombin...

[Bigends]

La Liga said:

Let's be honest, once he left his house (or wherever) the best case scenario was killing fewer people.

I expect everyone who may have challenged him are glad they didn't.

There's no contingency for a device like that other than not being near it.

Perhaps an earlier approach by an alert officer whilst there were fewer in the foyer may have saved a few lives.

[Pothole]

Bigends said:

La Liga said:

Let's be honest, once he left his house (or wherever) the best case scenario was killing fewer people.

I expect everyone who may have challenged him are glad they didn't.

There's no contingency for a device like that other than not being near it.

Perhaps an earlier approach by an alert officer whilst there were fewer in the foyer may have saved a few lives.

Perhaps and may are not really words to take away from an inquiry.

[Bigends]

Pothole said:

Bigends said:

La Liga said:

Let's be honest, once he left his house (or wherever) the best case scenario was killing fewer people.

I expect everyone who may have challenged him are glad they didn't.

There's no contingency for a device like that other than not being near it.

Perhaps an earlier approach by an alert officer whilst there were fewer in the foyer may have saved a few lives.

Perhaps and may are not really words to take away from an inquiry.

True - ok - an approach by an alert officer whilst there were fewer in the foyer would have saved lives - would have been tough for the officer though

[AJL308]

4Q said:

coolg said:

You can’t just stop brown people with rucksacks assuming they are all bombers. That would result j a disproportionate stopping of Asian men by the police.

An Asian man on his own is hardly the usual demographic for an Ariana Grande concert though so in this instance they should. It not a question of race but one of context.

Even if he had then what difference would it have made? The only difference would have been him getting blown to shreds as well, presumably. He was a kid on minimum wage who'll have had next to no training, and certainly none dealing with a committed terrorist who'd already decided to blow himself up.