Refugees / Asylum seekers crossing the channel

[TCX]

anonymous said:

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While we're at it,fine the border force/immigration the same £3k a person that haulers are fined,for allowing illegals in,include RNLI in that for 'shepherding' them in

[Unknown_User]

Or maybe increase Foreign Aid to improve the chances these folk in their home countries so they don't feel the need to undertake such a perilous journey in the first place!

Or maybe that idea doesn't sell as many copies of the Daily Wail and Daily Excrete or resonate with the right wing tory factions Prime Minister Johnson likes to attract.....

[mrporsche]

Unknown_User said:

Or maybe increase Foreign Aid to improve the chances these folk in their home countries so they don't feel the need to undertake such a perilous journey in the first place!

Or maybe that idea doesn't sell as many copies of the Daily Wail and Daily Excrete or resonate with the right wing tory factions Prime Minister Johnson likes to attract.....

Bearing in mind there are millions of people in the third world looking for a better life, how much do you think the budget needs to be increased by ?

[KTMsm]

22 pages in has anyone compared how they are treated in the EU compared to here ?

Prior to Brexit why didn't they claim asylum in the EU then come here legally ?

[Unknown_User]

mrporsche said:

Unknown_User said:

Or maybe increase Foreign Aid to improve the chances these folk in their home countries so they don't feel the need to undertake such a perilous journey in the first place!

Or maybe that idea doesn't sell as many copies of the Daily Wail and Daily Excrete or resonate with the right wing tory factions Prime Minister Johnson likes to attract.....

Bearing in mind there are millions of people in the third world looking for a better life, how much do you think the budget needs to be increased by ?

We need to start making travelling across continents less attractive by improving the home countries, this will take effort by the entire West (and others). First steps would be to reverse any cuts in Foreign Aid.

I would be interested to hear how you would stop folk making such a perilous journey in the first place?

[PRTVR]

Unknown_User said:

mrporsche said:

Unknown_User said:

Or maybe increase Foreign Aid to improve the chances these folk in their home countries so they don't feel the need to undertake such a perilous journey in the first place!

Or maybe that idea doesn't sell as many copies of the Daily Wail and Daily Excrete or resonate with the right wing tory factions Prime Minister Johnson likes to attract.....

Bearing in mind there are millions of people in the third world looking for a better life, how much do you think the budget needs to be increased by ?

We need to start making travelling across continents less attractive by improving the home countries, this will take effort by the entire West (and others). First steps would be to reverse any cuts in Foreign Aid.

I would be interested to hear how you would stop folk making such a perilous journey in the first place?

I don't want to appear negative but it would be impossible, you would have to provide housing food and most difficult security, the world is full of places that do not subscribe to our western values , how do you intend changing their view of the world and more importantly do we have any right to change it.

[Mrr T]

KTMsm said:

Prior to Brexit why didn't they claim asylum in the EU then come here legally ?

It might have something to do with the 5 to 7 years it would take before they can come to the UK legally.

[mrporsche]

Unknown_User said:

mrporsche said:

Unknown_User said:

Or maybe increase Foreign Aid to improve the chances these folk in their home countries so they don't feel the need to undertake such a perilous journey in the first place!

Or maybe that idea doesn't sell as many copies of the Daily Wail and Daily Excrete or resonate with the right wing tory factions Prime Minister Johnson likes to attract.....

Bearing in mind there are millions of people in the third world looking for a better life, how much do you think the budget needs to be increased by ?

We need to start making travelling across continents less attractive by improving the home countries, this will take effort by the entire West (and others). First steps would be to reverse any cuts in Foreign Aid.

I would be interested to hear how you would stop folk making such a perilous journey in the first place?

Do you have an amount that we should increase foreign aid by ?
What amount would really make a difference ?

[Unknown_User]

mrporsche said:

Unknown_User said:

mrporsche said:

Unknown_User said:

Or maybe increase Foreign Aid to improve the chances these folk in their home countries so they don't feel the need to undertake such a perilous journey in the first place!

Or maybe that idea doesn't sell as many copies of the Daily Wail and Daily Excrete or resonate with the right wing tory factions Prime Minister Johnson likes to attract.....

Bearing in mind there are millions of people in the third world looking for a better life, how much do you think the budget needs to be increased by ?

We need to start making travelling across continents less attractive by improving the home countries, this will take effort by the entire West (and others). First steps would be to reverse any cuts in Foreign Aid.

I would be interested to hear how you would stop folk making such a perilous journey in the first place?

Do you have an amount that we should increase foreign aid by ?
What amount would really make a difference ?

Please forward your opinions on how we could improve these poor folks home countries first please? If you are unable to discuss or even suggest how you would stop folk from making such a journey then it's utterly pointless engaging with you.

Ask yourself, has the "War on Drugs" been deemed a success? Without taking away the market place, you are simply kicking the can down the road and achieving little. Is that what you want?

[mrporsche]

Unknown_User said:

Please forward your opinions on how we could improve these poor folks home countries first please? If you are unable to discuss or even suggest how you would stop folk from making such a journey then it's utterly pointless engaging with you.

Ask yourself, has the "War on Drugs" been deemed a success? Without taking away the market place, you are simply kicking the can down the road and achieving little. Is that what you want?

You made a point and i questioned it, surely it falls to you to address that ?

We could Increase foreign aid !

By how much ?

There is no point engaging with you.

[mrporsche]

PRTVR said:

I don't want to appear negative but it would be impossible, you would have to provide housing food and most difficult security, the world is full of places that do not subscribe to our western values , how do you intend changing their view of the world and more importantly do we have any right to change it.

I thought it was accepted that we shouldn't meddle in other countries, we don't have a good track record of it.

[Unknown_User]

mrporsche said:

Unknown_User said:

Please forward your opinions on how we could improve these poor folks home countries first please? If you are unable to discuss or even suggest how you would stop folk from making such a journey then it's utterly pointless engaging with you.

Ask yourself, has the "War on Drugs" been deemed a success? Without taking away the market place, you are simply kicking the can down the road and achieving little. Is that what you want?

You made a point and i questioned it, surely it falls to you to address that ?

We could Increase foreign aid !

By how much ?

There is no point engaging with you.

So nothing to offer other than that. As I assumed, it's pointless engaging with you as you have nothing to offer. Good day to you.

[Unknown_User]

PRTVR said:

I don't want to appear negative but it would be impossible, you would have to provide housing food and most difficult security, the world is full of places that do not subscribe to our western values , how do you intend changing their view of the world and more importantly do we have any right to change it.

That's a fair and valid question.

We have to enable people to better themselves. Simply handing out aid doesn't really do what is required although it makes good Press. It's a very complicated problem but to make a difference, many different nations would need to get onboard. We would need to show that our intentions weren't imperialistic (difficult one) or just in our self interest (look at China at the moment).

Here is a brief article outlining a few developing nations that are improving and growing their economies. With help and assistance it can be done and this is what will discourage folk from making dangerous journeys to find a better life.

https://www.focus-economics.com/blog/fastest-growi...

I believe some disadvantaged folk will always look elsewhere for a better, more prosperous life but pretending we can stop migration with militarised borders or far right rhetoric is naive, bordering on stupidity IMO.

[KTMsm]

Unknown_User said:

I believe some disadvantaged folk will always look elsewhere for a better, more prosperous life but pretending we can stop migration with militarised borders or far right rhetoric is naive, bordering on stupidity IMO.

I've never condemned immigrants for trying, if I was in their position I'd likely do the same.

Although I'm still unsure why I wouldn't stop somewhere else enroute like Germany or France

[Pan Pan Pan]

It does seem somewhat duplicitous, That people wanting to get into the UK by the `normal' routes have to be quarantined in a hotel at 1750 pounds a pop, and be subject to fines of up to 10 000 pounds or even 10 years, imprisonment (if they don't do it legally) to control the spread of the Covid variant into the UK. whilst at the very same time `some' are getting here by rubber dinghy, at which point they are provided with accommodation, and food, medical care etc FoC.
And even this, where some have decided to burn down the accommodation they have been placed in, because it is not the house they have been promised they will have when they get here.
If the whole point of the exercise is prevent Covid variants from getting into the UK, surely the rules should apply equally to `any' individual who wants to get into the UK at the moment?

[Unknown_User]

Pan Pan Pan said:

It does seem somewhat duplicitous, That people wanting to get into the UK by the `normal' routes have to be quarantined in a hotel at 1750 pounds a pop, and be subject to fines of up to 10 000 pounds or even 10 years, imprisonment (if they don't do it legally) to control the spread of the Covid variant into the UK. whilst at the very same time `some' are getting here by rubber dinghy, at which point they are provided with accommodation, and food, medical care etc FoC.
And even this, where some have decided to burn down the accommodation they have been placed in, because it is not the house they have been promised they will have when they get here.
If the whole point of the exercise is prevent Covid variants from getting into the UK, surely the rules should apply equally to `any' individual who wants to get into the UK at the moment?

Have you got a link to this "promised" housing you speak of?

[Pan Pan Pan]

Unknown_User said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

It does seem somewhat duplicitous, That people wanting to get into the UK by the `normal' routes have to be quarantined in a hotel at 1750 pounds a pop, and be subject to fines of up to 10 000 pounds or even 10 years, imprisonment (if they don't do it legally) to control the spread of the Covid variant into the UK. whilst at the very same time `some' are getting here by rubber dinghy, at which point they are provided with accommodation, and food, medical care etc FoC.
And even this, where some have decided to burn down the accommodation they have been placed in, because it is not the house they have been promised they will have when they get here.
If the whole point of the exercise is prevent Covid variants from getting into the UK, surely the rules should apply equally to `any' individual who wants to get into the UK at the moment?

Have you got a link to this "promised" housing you speak of?

If you can locate those who organized the illegal crossings, I am sure they would tell you this was part of the (expensive for the immigrants) fee for getting them across the channel. You might tell the authorities once you have done so, since I am sure they too would like a quiet word with the illegal traffickers.

[Unknown_User]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Unknown_User said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

It does seem somewhat duplicitous, That people wanting to get into the UK by the `normal' routes have to be quarantined in a hotel at 1750 pounds a pop, and be subject to fines of up to 10 000 pounds or even 10 years, imprisonment (if they don't do it legally) to control the spread of the Covid variant into the UK. whilst at the very same time `some' are getting here by rubber dinghy, at which point they are provided with accommodation, and food, medical care etc FoC.
And even this, where some have decided to burn down the accommodation they have been placed in, because it is not the house they have been promised they will have when they get here.
If the whole point of the exercise is prevent Covid variants from getting into the UK, surely the rules should apply equally to `any' individual who wants to get into the UK at the moment?

Have you got a link to this "promised" housing you speak of?

If you can locate those who organized the illegal crossings, I am sure they would tell you this was part of the (expensive for the immigrants) fee for getting them across the channel. You might tell the authorities once you have done so, since I am sure they too would like a quiet word with the illegal traffickers.

Mmmm, I assume you don't have a link then. Where did you obtain this nugget of information from then? And to be fair, you're the one spreading this piece of crucial information.

[Pan Pan Pan]

Unknown_User said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Unknown_User said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

It does seem somewhat duplicitous, That people wanting to get into the UK by the `normal' routes have to be quarantined in a hotel at 1750 pounds a pop, and be subject to fines of up to 10 000 pounds or even 10 years, imprisonment (if they don't do it legally) to control the spread of the Covid variant into the UK. whilst at the very same time `some' are getting here by rubber dinghy, at which point they are provided with accommodation, and food, medical care etc FoC.
And even this, where some have decided to burn down the accommodation they have been placed in, because it is not the house they have been promised they will have when they get here.
If the whole point of the exercise is prevent Covid variants from getting into the UK, surely the rules should apply equally to `any' individual who wants to get into the UK at the moment?

Have you got a link to this "promised" housing you speak of?

If you can locate those who organized the illegal crossings, I am sure they would tell you this was part of the (expensive for the immigrants) fee for getting them across the channel. You might tell the authorities once you have done so, since I am sure they too would like a quiet word with the illegal traffickers.

Mmmm, I assume you don't have a link then. Where did you obtain this nugget of information from then? And to be fair, you're the one spreading this piece of crucial information.

You appear to be (probably deliberately) missing the point.
People travelling legally into the UK are having to quarantine for 10 days, in a designated hotel at 1750 pounds each, and are to be subject to fines of up to 10 000 pounds, or 10 years in prison if `they' are caught trying to avoid the legal requirements.
Yet those who come here illegally by crossing the channel in dinghies, are given accommodation, and food FoC on arrival with no question of fines or imprisonment (even when they burn down the accommodation they have been given)
If the point of the restriction, is to prevent new strain variants of Covid from getting into the UK, how can you let one group of people who are coming to the the UK illegally (and who might just as easily be carrying the Covid virus) be treated significantly differently, to those who are coming into the UK by legal means?

[Unknown_User]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Unknown_User said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Unknown_User said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

It does seem somewhat duplicitous, That people wanting to get into the UK by the `normal' routes have to be quarantined in a hotel at 1750 pounds a pop, and be subject to fines of up to 10 000 pounds or even 10 years, imprisonment (if they don't do it legally) to control the spread of the Covid variant into the UK. whilst at the very same time `some' are getting here by rubber dinghy, at which point they are provided with accommodation, and food, medical care etc FoC.
And even this, where some have decided to burn down the accommodation they have been placed in, because it is not the house they have been promised they will have when they get here.
If the whole point of the exercise is prevent Covid variants from getting into the UK, surely the rules should apply equally to `any' individual who wants to get into the UK at the moment?

Have you got a link to this "promised" housing you speak of?

If you can locate those who organized the illegal crossings, I am sure they would tell you this was part of the (expensive for the immigrants) fee for getting them across the channel. You might tell the authorities once you have done so, since I am sure they too would like a quiet word with the illegal traffickers.

Mmmm, I assume you don't have a link then. Where did you obtain this nugget of information from then? And to be fair, you're the one spreading this piece of crucial information.

You appear to be (probably deliberately) missing the point.
People travelling legally into the UK are having to quarantine for 10 days, in a designated hotel at 1750 pounds each, and are to be subject to fines of up to 10 000 pounds, or 10 years in prison if `they' are caught trying to avoid the legal requirements.
Yet those who come here illegally by crossing the channel in dinghies, are given accommodation, and food FoC on arrival with no question of fines or imprisonment (even when they burn down the accommodation they have been given)
If the point of the restriction, is to prevent new strain variants of Covid from getting into the UK, how can you let one group of people who are coming to the the UK illegally (and who might just as easily be carrying the Covid virus) be treated significantly differently, to those who are coming into the UK by legal means?

Well bless my barnacles...!!!

So now I'm "missing the point" because of what you wrote. And obviously to all, I clearly highlighted exactly what you wrote.

For this I humbly apologise for highlighting what you actually wrote and er.... "missing the point".