Sir Ed Davey - Lib. Dem Leader

[pequod]

Carl_Manchester said:

pequod said:

I don't think the LibDems are in any mood to consider a coalition after their storming success of last week.

"Go back to your constituencies, and prepare for government!" - D. Steel (1981)

I do wonder if Ed decides to actively campaign on the basis of Rejoin and proportional representation, if it will catch SKS off guard and turn the next election into a de-facto referendum on both issues.

It would be the honest way to campaign, but I'll wager the LibDem support would vanish quicker than a flea off a dead dog.

I imagine they will run with the same 'Stop the Tories!' tactic as they have just done at the locals with great success?

[S600BSB]

pequod said:

Carl_Manchester said:

pequod said:

I don't think the LibDems are in any mood to consider a coalition after their storming success of last week.

"Go back to your constituencies, and prepare for government!" - D. Steel (1981)

I do wonder if Ed decides to actively campaign on the basis of Rejoin and proportional representation, if it will catch SKS off guard and turn the next election into a de-facto referendum on both issues.

It would be the honest way to campaign, but I'll wager the LibDem support would vanish quicker than a flea off a dead dog.

I imagine they will run with the same 'Stop the Tories!' tactic as they have just done at the locals with great success?

Agree. I think they will make decent gains in the south.

[DeejRC]

Bannock said:

OutInTheShed said:

Exactly what we don't need IMVHO, is another decade of constitutional navel gazing debate about the optimal arrangement of the deckchairs on the Titanic.

Because the current arrangements have served us so well?

By and large…yes.
Right up until we engaged in said decade of gazing.

[Bannock]

DeejRC said:

Bannock said:

OutInTheShed said:

Exactly what we don't need IMVHO, is another decade of constitutional navel gazing debate about the optimal arrangement of the deckchairs on the Titanic.

Because the current arrangements have served us so well?

By and large…yes.
Right up until we engaged in said decade of gazing.

I'd argue that it was the lack of fitness of our existing "constitution" which triggered the gazing you speak of, so to prevent a repeat of the current situation, we'd be wise to fix the roof before the next storm hits.

[s1962a]

pequod said:

Carl_Manchester said:

pequod said:

I don't think the LibDems are in any mood to consider a coalition after their storming success of last week.

"Go back to your constituencies, and prepare for government!" - D. Steel (1981)

I do wonder if Ed decides to actively campaign on the basis of Rejoin and proportional representation, if it will catch SKS off guard and turn the next election into a de-facto referendum on both issues.

It would be the honest way to campaign, but I'll wager the LibDem support would vanish quicker than a flea off a dead dog.

I imagine they will run with the same 'Stop the Tories!' tactic as they have just done at the locals with great success?

Personally I think they will win a lot of votes with a Rejoin and proportional representation campaign. Especially in areas like London - it'll almost be a protest vote against the tories, and more-of-the-same Labour.

[paulrockliffe]

Carl_Manchester said:

I do wonder if Ed decides to actively campaign on the basis of Rejoin and proportional representation, if it will catch SKS off guard and turn the next election into a de-facto referendum on both issues.

it's literally the only thing that will improve the Conservative Vote , there are loads of stay at homes that will vote Conservative if the polls look like Kier will have to flip-flop again and get into bed with the Lib Dems.

[s1962a]

paulrockliffe said:

Carl_Manchester said:

I do wonder if Ed decides to actively campaign on the basis of Rejoin and proportional representation, if it will catch SKS off guard and turn the next election into a de-facto referendum on both issues.

it's literally the only thing that will improve the Conservative Vote , there are loads of stay at homes that will vote Conservative if the polls look like Kier will have to flip-flop again and get into bed with the Lib Dems.

So democracy wins and more people come out to vote. That might be a good thing for the country.

[Oliver Hardy]

CoolHands said:

Of course that’s what they want. He’s just doing a keir by not talking about anything of substance to try and get more seats, and it’s obviously working. Voting for these muppets, like the greens, is dangerous.

It is dangerous to vote for any of the muppets. They are all greens.

[MC Bodge]

Oliver Hardy said:

CoolHands said:

Of course that’s what they want. He’s just doing a keir by not talking about anything of substance to try and get more seats, and it’s obviously working. Voting for these muppets, like the greens, is dangerous.

It is dangerous to vote for any of the muppets. They are all greens.

Yes, what we really need is a bunch of right wing, reactionary, divisive idiots blwho bang on about stopping boats and denying that climate change is going to force changes, isn't it? I don't think.

[MC Bodge]

Bannock said:

OutInTheShed said:

Exactly what we don't need IMVHO, is another decade of constitutional navel gazing debate about the optimal arrangement of the deckchairs on the Titanic.

Because the current arrangements have served us so well?

PR cannot come soon enough.

New Zealand managed to make the switch from the UK style FPTP. It can happen.

The various parties might split, although they might not, and we would find a new equilibrium.

[pequod]

MC Bodge said:

PR cannot come soon enough.

New Zealand managed to make the switch from the UK style FPTP. It can happen.

The various parties might split, although they might not, and we would find a new equilibrium.

NZ has a population of 5 million or so, living in a remote land far removed from influence or the consequences of whatever system of Govt they choose. Not comparable, I'm afraid...

[abzmike]

DeejRC said:

Bannock said:

OutInTheShed said:

Exactly what we don't need IMVHO, is another decade of constitutional navel gazing debate about the optimal arrangement of the deckchairs on the Titanic.

Because the current arrangements have served us so well?

By and large…yes.
Right up until we engaged in said decade of gazing.

The last decade of constitutional navel gazing has really been the Conservative Party navel gazing. That’s what needs to end.

[gregs656]

pequod said:

NZ has a population of 5 million or so, living in a remote land far removed from influence or the consequences of whatever system of Govt they choose. Not comparable, I'm afraid...

Germany use the same system as NZ.

[OutInTheShed]

I don't care what the system is.
PR might have been better in the last decade, we'd have had UKIP MPs.

But beyond the parties, countries with different systems have much the same problems.

One thing that the LD fanbois forget is that in the current system, we vote for an MP, an individual, not a party. That's kind of crucial when an MP wants to leave a party because it no longer aligns with his beliefs.
It's kind of crucial to the formation of the SDP and hence the existence of the LimDibs.

Is Scotland currently a good illustration of the excess power of 'party' in PR systems?

[greygoose]

pequod said:

NZ has a population of 5 million or so, living in a remote land far removed from influence or the consequences of whatever system of Govt they choose. Not comparable, I'm afraid...

How are the population of NZL removed from the consequences of whatever system of government they choose?

[pequod]

gregs656 said:

pequod said:

NZ has a population of 5 million or so, living in a remote land far removed from influence or the consequences of whatever system of Govt they choose. Not comparable, I'm afraid...

Germany use the same system as NZ.

And they require all citizens to register where they are living, plus carry an ID card, and other Govt restrictions.

Happy to follow their example?

[gregs656]

pequod said:

And they require all citizens to register where they are living, plus carry an ID card, and other Govt restrictions.

Happy to follow their example?

Way to move the goalposts.

[anonymoususer]

This is the Ed Davey thread. It's a thread about Ed Davey. The man and his abilities
Waffling on about New Zealand is just off topic tittle tattle.
Ed Davey is a major political figure and I for one respect that.

[pequod]

gregs656 said:

pequod said:

And they require all citizens to register where they are living, plus carry an ID card, and other Govt restrictions.

Happy to follow their example?

Way to move the goalposts.

Is it?

FWIW, I think Germany have the right idea, the Swiss more so.

[SpeckledJim]

pequod said:

gregs656 said:

pequod said:

And they require all citizens to register where they are living, plus carry an ID card, and other Govt restrictions.

Happy to follow their example?

Way to move the goalposts.

Is it?

FWIW, I think Germany have the right idea, the Swiss more so.

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