If masks become compulsory in shops (Vol. 2)

[xstian]

scottyp123 said:

Its called a prediction, you appear to be predicting it won't happen.

OK. I predict if there is panic buying in the next few days it will be because of Brexit. Now being that you have to wear a face covering when inside a shop, I expect most of the panic buyers will be wearing a mask. So It looks like we are in agreement with each other.

But if you are saying everyone who wears a mask is virtual signaling rather than just follow the law and just trying to get on, surely I can say anyone who refuses to wear one is selfish and just as likely to panic buy.

[Alucidnation]

scottyp123 said:

xstian said:

scottyp123 said:

xstian said:

scottyp123 said:

seems like panic buying round 3 is just around the corner.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

Lets wait for the pictures of the selfless masked hero's taking the last 30 loaves so by the time the pensioners hobble to the supermarket there is naff all left.

They do it for others don't you know.

What's that got to do with covid and wearing a mask in shops?

Er... because people say they wear masks not to protect themselves but to protect other people from catching covid from them, a kind of caring selfless attitude, I believe they call it virtue signalling. Yet more than likely the very same people will take the last of the stock in a supermarket just for themselves, again.

Thus proving that their caring attitude was actually a load of old bks and that they have only ever worn a mask to inflate their own ego.

Oh, I see. So you are just making stuff up about something that hasn't even happened yet.

Its called a prediction, you appear to be predicting it won't happen.

That article is about Brexit, not COVID

[ooid]

I’m currently recovering from covid19. (well, I hope so...). I was tested positive with tiny symptoms really and the only places I’ve been; going to park (dog walking) and Grocery. I most probably got it in the shop, even though I was religiously wearing masks all the time.

[Zoobeef]

ooid said:

I’m currently recovering from covid19. (well, I hope so...). I was tested positive with tiny symptoms really and the only places I’ve been; going to park (dog walking) and Grocery. I most probably got it in the shop, even though I was religiously wearing masks all the time.

Repeat after me "wearing a mask does not protect me from covid"


I cant believe that after months now that still hasn't sunk in.

[bigee]

anonymous said:

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Cafes full? Unless it's up here in the northern tier 3 wastelands of course.

[Seattaken]

MikeT66 said:

Zoobeef said:

320d is all you need said:

Before anyone says anything. I was in Germany twice this year and it had 100% compliance in shops etc.

Hows that going for them?

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bedwetters said:

Imagine how bad it would be without them!

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What like in the US?

[MikeT66]

Well... we never saw that problem arising, did we? Oh, we did?

Public urged to switch to reusable face coverings as 102 million masks binned each week
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-public-urged-t...

So the public need to start using those superbly effective home-made/re-useable ones instead (making sure they are properly washed, etc.). Good to know it's not a deadly virus. Oh...

[R Mutt]

MikeT66 said:

Well... we never saw that problem arising, did we? Oh, we did?

Public urged to switch to reusable face coverings as 102 million masks binned each week
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-public-urged-t...

So the public need to start using those superbly effective home-made/re-useable ones instead (making sure they are properly washed, etc.). Good to know it's not a deadly virus. Oh...

I have had a scarf on my face in 2 separate pubs which instead demanded I wear a mask which they could also provide, to walk to my table.

I wear a variety of face coverings from surgical to N95 masks, to snoods all of which are suitable face coverings as mandated. They simply do not need to hand out disposable masks

[grumbledoak]

MikeT66 said:

Well... we never saw that problem arising, did we? Oh, we did?

Public urged to switch to reusable face coverings as 102 million masks binned each week
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-public-urged-t...

So the public need to start using those superbly effective home-made/re-useable ones instead (making sure they are properly washed, etc.). Good to know it's not a deadly virus. Oh...

Not only are "face coverings" unlikely to prevent anything in the first place, but re-using them is likely to cause us harm. And they don't give a fk.

It'll be clogs next. And hopping.

[xstian]

I had to go to the bank this morning. There was a girl behind me in the queue was wearing one of these.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Transparent-Plastic-Resis...

Not only was it dripping with condensation from her breath, which look rather unpleasant and gross, it was so small it barely 1/4 of her face. The effectiveness of these must be very small. I don't want to stereotype her, but I'm guessing she worked in hair and beauty.

[steveo3002]

xstian said:

I had to go to the bank this morning. There was a girl behind me in the queue was wearing one of these.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Transparent-Plastic-Resis...

Not only was it dripping with condensation from her breath, which look rather unpleasant and gross, it was so small it barely 1/4 of her face. The effectiveness of these must be very small. I don't want to stereotype her, but I'm guessing she worked in hair and beauty.

did you thank her for keeping us safe?

[vixen1700]

R Mutt said:

I have had a scarf on my face in 2 separate pubs which instead demanded I wear a mask which they could also provide, to walk to my table.

I wear a variety of face coverings from surgical to N95 masks, to snoods all of which are suitable face coverings as mandated. They simply do not need to hand out disposable masks

I tend to wrap silk scarves (quite a fan of these dandy garments ) round my face when I'm on public transport as they just ask for 'face-coverings' to be worn.

Can't imagine being asked to put one of those crappy throwaway blue things on instead. Think I'd tell them to do one.

[xstian]

steveo3002 said:

xstian said:

I had to go to the bank this morning. There was a girl behind me in the queue was wearing one of these.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Transparent-Plastic-Resis...

Not only was it dripping with condensation from her breath, which look rather unpleasant and gross, it was so small it barely 1/4 of her face. The effectiveness of these must be very small. I don't want to stereotype her, but I'm guessing she worked in hair and beauty.

did you thank her for keeping us safe?

Like everyone in the bank, including me, we where wearing one because we had to.

[R Mutt]

vixen1700 said:

R Mutt said:

I have had a scarf on my face in 2 separate pubs which instead demanded I wear a mask which they could also provide, to walk to my table.

I wear a variety of face coverings from surgical to N95 masks, to snoods all of which are suitable face coverings as mandated. They simply do not need to hand out disposable masks

I tend to wrap silk scarves (quite a fan of these dandy garments ) round my face when I'm on public transport as they just ask for 'face-coverings' to be worn.

Can't imagine being asked to put one of those crappy throwaway blue things on instead. Think I'd tell them to do one.

I was going to point out that cashmere was a far superior filter. Not sure why I refrain from being a to these people. Different when they're just following the rules but this seems pedantry, unless the rules have changed.

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Graveworm said:

320d is all you need said:

Police in this clip have a lot to answer for. I suspect a complaint will have the fine rescinded.

I am not sure, they tried to explain, if the person wants to claim an exemption, to an offence, then the the burden of proof is on them.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1980/43/secti...
They were obviously called to deal with this so they couldn't really do much else. It would be wrong if the police got to decide if there was a medical exemption and it would be pretty demeaning if they stood there in a supermarket asking questions, trying to decide if the reasons were valid. The persons should absolutely not have to tell them or prove anything to them.
Equally an unsupported statement of "I am is exempt" can't meet that burden. There are other offences with medical exemptions that are dealt with in the same way.

Edited by Graveworm on Friday 27th November 15:28

What offence has the lady committed?

[Vanden Saab]

stitched said:

Graveworm said:

320d is all you need said:

Police in this clip have a lot to answer for. I suspect a complaint will have the fine rescinded.

I am not sure, they tried to explain, if the person wants to claim an exemption, to an offence, then the the burden of proof is on them.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1980/43/secti...
They were obviously called to deal with this so they couldn't really do much else. It would be wrong if the police got to decide if there was a medical exemption and it would be pretty demeaning if they stood there in a supermarket asking questions, trying to decide if the reasons were valid. The persons should absolutely not have to tell them or prove anything to them.
Equally an unsupported statement of "I am is exempt" can't meet that burden. There are other offences with medical exemptions that are dealt with in the same way.

Edited by Graveworm on Friday 27th November 15:28

What offence has the lady committed?

As i understand the legislation if the police consider that she does not have a reasonable excuse then they can issue a fine. The 'criminal' would then have to go to court and prove their innocence.

health protection act said:

Where a relevant person considers that a person is not wearing a face covering, in contravention of the requirement in regulation 3, the relevant person may—
(a)direct that person to wear such a covering;
(b)direct that person to leave the relevant place.
(3) Where a person does not comply with a direction given to them by a constable under paragraph (2)(b), the constable may remove them from the relevant place.
(4) A constable exercising the power in paragraph (3) may use reasonable force, if necessary, in the exercise of the power
And...
An authorised person may issue a fixed penalty notice to anyone that the authorised person reasonably believes—
(a)has committed an offence under these Regulations, and
(b)is aged 18 or over.

[scottyp123]

How can they consider it an offence though if you don't need anything official to say what your excuse is. The only way for then to consider it an offence is for you to say you don't have any reason for not wearing one. Once you say you are exempt then that is a valid reason is it not, especially as they have no right to ask you what that reason is.

Due to the fact that you could then make any excuse up in court you liked, like wearing a mask gives you panic attacks or you couldn't breath properly last time you put one on or any number of other excuses, how could they ever make something like this stick.

[Brave Fart]

We've been here before. Graveworm will say that the burden of proof is on the person claiming exemption, and that it would ultimately need to be decided in front of a magistrate, subsequent to a fine.
I beg to differ, and maintain that dragging people in front of a magistrate is an abuse of process. The police should accept someone's word and leave it at that.
I also think that it's all entirely political, with a few senior officers determined to show the public - well, those in Sainsbury's anyway - how they are protecting us all.
Have we seen any instances of people wearing an official-looking lanyard being fined?

[anonymoususer]

xstian said:

I had to go to the bank this morning. There was a girl behind me in the queue was wearing one of these.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Transparent-Plastic-Resis...

Not only was it dripping with condensation from her breath, which look rather unpleasant and gross, it was so small it barely 1/4 of her face. The effectiveness of these must be very small. I don't want to stereotype her, but I'm guessing she worked in hair and beauty.

It looks like those plastic fanny covers that briefly rose to fame in the 80s
The idea being you could give vher some tongue technique but not actually make direct contact with the man in the canoe

[Jasandjules]

xstian said:

Like everyone in the bank, including me, we where wearing one because we had to.

Do you?