Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 5)

[turbobloke]

Surely Boris put him up to it and either way should resign as well?

Obviously.

[Unknown_User]

turbobloke said:

Surely Boris put him up to it and either way should resign as well?

Obviously.

Rather than trying to deflect attention away from Bradley loose mouth, please feel free to give us your views on tory politicians and their past views on sterilisation?

Obviously!

[bitchstewie]

Good piece from Conservative MP Rob Halfon who did vote for the proposals on Wednesday night.

It explains his reasoning for doing so.

https://twitter.com/halfon4harlowMP/status/1319928...

[Unknown_User]

bhstewie said:

Unknown_User said:

True but this is the chap that said unemployed people should get sterilised FFS.

Why would any political party want someone with such views representing their party? And why would his constituents vote for such a charlatan?

Well the obvious answer there is they thought he was better than any of the alternatives on offer.

It's the Trump parallel which is however awful Bradley might seem if nobody could come up with anyone more appealing who do you point the finger at for that?

And I think we know from past experience there's an issue with all political parties about the standards they expect (or don't expect) from the people who represent them.

13 pages and counting on a non tory MP using the word scum and nothing from the Ultra's regarding Bradley's language. Just the usual swivel eyed member coming on here and defending him in a roundabout way.

[bitchstewie]

I wonder if he'll be rethinking this

Ben Bradley: I will not be undertaking unconscious bias training – and call on my colleagues to take the same stand

[longblackcoat]

turbobloke said:

Unknown_User said:

Ben Bradley epitomises the very worst of tory ideology, he is an utter disgrace and he should resign immediately. He is an utter disgrace.

You say he reflects the worst of Tory ideology, when in one instance he reflected the worst of human nature. He's not representative, and isn't a spokesman for free school meals vouchers. There are outspoken individuals in all parties at any one time.

A link to the definitive tory ideology manual would be good, could you post one? TIA. It must be headed 'Tory Ideology Manual' to avoid any doubt.

Being so impacted by the deleted tweet born of a foolish moment must be exhausting, all that vexation. As a general observation it remains curious that detractors are affected so deeply by this outlier type of incident - not that the critical use of extreme language reflects tactical faux outrage of course as it's totally genuine.

Another reason to be OK with having nothing at all to do with twitter or facebook or (etc). Reading a very, very small amount of their dross when it gets posted on PH is more than enough. Force for good potentially, source of dreck from drecksters far more frequently.

I was encouraged by your first paragraph, with which I agree.

Unfortunately you didn’t stop typing then; “tactical faux outrage”? Really? Can’t you just, for once, accept that a large swathe of people, perhaps the majority, find Ben Bradley’s comments to be utterly unsupportable. That he’s an odious individual who makes odious comments on a regular basis; these are far from the ‘outlier’ remarks you state them to be.

[amusingduck]

bhstewie said:

I wonder if he'll be rethinking this

Ben Bradley: I will not be undertaking unconscious bias training – and call on my colleagues to take the same stand

You might be happy to see the race first and the individual second, but not everybody feels that way. Thankfully.

I'm with MLK. You?

[Red 4]

Tuna said:

Disastrous said:

And yet, this seemingly happens to you on every single subject in the thread.

Not really. We've covered three issues this week, and two of them passed without great controversy. This last one has been a different kettle of fish though - not only completely untrue claims about my beliefs, but also suggestions I'm mentally unwell, deplorable and so on. I'm beginning to suspect certain posters bear a bit of a grudge about something... what do you think?

Actually, yes really Tuna.

Not a week goes by (it's usually much less than a week) without lots of posters calling you out on your lies, rhetoric and BS.
Simply put, you bring it on yourself. Nice try again with your attempt to take the moral high ground but people call you out on what you write. It's nothing personal.

However, you have made a bit of a name for yourself and you have a reputation on here for being a contrarian who just wants to argue.
If you are taking this personally then maybe you should reevaluate the things you say if things are starting to get to you.

U OK, hun ?

[biggbn]

bhstewie said:

Good piece from Conservative MP Rob Halfon who did vote for the proposals on Wednesday night.

It explains his reasoning for doing so.

https://twitter.com/halfon4harlowMP/status/1319928...

Careful, this will confuse the hard of thinking. Tory must be right. But they have opposing views. They must BOTH be right surely?

[bitchstewie]

amusingduck said:

bhstewie said:

I wonder if he'll be rethinking this

Ben Bradley: I will not be undertaking unconscious bias training – and call on my colleagues to take the same stand

You might be happy to see the race first and the individual second, but not everybody feels that way. Thankfully.

I'm with MLK. You?

I'm pretty sure you'll find that sort of thing looks beyond "just" race and covers all sorts of other issues i.e. sexism, ageism, upbringing and background.

[amusingduck]

bhstewie said:

amusingduck said:

bhstewie said:

I wonder if he'll be rethinking this

Ben Bradley: I will not be undertaking unconscious bias training – and call on my colleagues to take the same stand

You might be happy to see the race first and the individual second, but not everybody feels that way. Thankfully.

I'm with MLK. You?

I'm pretty sure you'll find that sort of thing looks beyond "just" race and covers all sorts of other issues i.e. sexism, ageism, upbringing and background.

The point is unchanged. Critical Race Theory vs MLK. They are mutually exclusive.

[bitchstewie]

amusingduck said:

The point is unchanged. Critical Race Theory vs MLK. They are mutually exclusive.

Fair enough I'll take your word for it on Critical Race Theory as it isn't something I'm familiar with.

Either way you made it sound as if unconscious bias training is simply about race when I'm just pointing out that it goes a bit wider than that.

[anonymous-user]

longblackcoat said:

turbobloke said:

Unknown_User said:

Ben Bradley epitomises the very worst of tory ideology, he is an utter disgrace and he should resign immediately. He is an utter disgrace.

You say he reflects the worst of Tory ideology, when in one instance he reflected the worst of human nature. He's not representative, and isn't a spokesman for free school meals vouchers. There are outspoken individuals in all parties at any one time.

A link to the definitive tory ideology manual would be good, could you post one? TIA. It must be headed 'Tory Ideology Manual' to avoid any doubt.

Being so impacted by the deleted tweet born of a foolish moment must be exhausting, all that vexation. As a general observation it remains curious that detractors are affected so deeply by this outlier type of incident - not that the critical use of extreme language reflects tactical faux outrage of course as it's totally genuine.

Another reason to be OK with having nothing at all to do with twitter or facebook or (etc). Reading a very, very small amount of their dross when it gets posted on PH is more than enough. Force for good potentially, source of dreck from drecksters far more frequently.

I was encouraged by your first paragraph, with which I agree.

Unfortunately you didn’t stop typing then; “tactical faux outrage”? Really? Can’t you just, for once, accept that a large swathe of people, perhaps the majority, find Ben Bradley’s comments to be utterly unsupportable. That he’s an odious individual who makes odious comments on a regular basis; these are far from the ‘outlier’ remarks you state them to be.

He’s too busy posting “faux outrage” at Rayner calling a conservative MP scum to criticise Bradley for his “foolish moment”

[bitchstewie]

That's twice today that I've heard or read Conservative MP's saying that the things they'd freely written have been taken "out of context".

It's really quite remarkable how anyone could think the first statement below was taken out of context.

It's quite literally there in black and white.

[valiant]

And people call Rayner thick!

[IforB]

Rayner was spot on. They are scum.

Thick scum too, as is anyone daft enough to vote for them in the future, now we know what they really think.

I am still amazed that the Government and now seemingly the entire Parliamentary Tory Party has chosen to die on the hill of feeding hungry kids.

As PR strategies go, it is an odd one.

[bitchstewie]

IforB said:

Rayner was spot on. They are scum.

Thick scum too, as is anyone daft enough to vote for them in the future, now we know what they really think.

I am still amazed that the Government and now seemingly the entire Parliamentary Tory Party has chosen to die on the hill of feeding hungry kids.

As PR strategies go, it is an odd one.

I don't think Rayner should have said what she did.

There are a few who from what I know of them I wouldn't put up too much of a fight over it even if it isn't something I'd condone but I think there are also plenty of decent MPs who just keep their heads down and get on with it.

I often quote the one little bit of Orwell that I know which is "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command" as there's something about politics that makes people do that.

[Helicopter123]

IforB said:

Rayner was spot on. They are scum.

Thick scum too, as is anyone daft enough to vote for them in the future, now we know what they really think.

I am still amazed that the Government and now seemingly the entire Parliamentary Tory Party has chosen to die on the hill of feeding hungry kids.

As PR strategies go, it is an odd one.

It is bizarre, of all the challenges they face, children living in food poverty during school holidays is both highly emotive and easily fixed.

It could have been a PR win for them, especially after giving Marcus Rashford an MBE just a couple of weeks a go.

Instead it's "starve a kid to save a quid" time, and that's one thing the British public simply won't tolerate.

[bitchstewie]

valiant said:

And people call Rayner thick!

Quite.

Saxby quite literally said she hoped businesses that provided free food to children would not seek government support.

And then has the brass neck to claim she'd been taken "out of context".

There's nothing "out of context" about that.

[Disastrous]

It makes me wonder.

There’s a massive opportunity for the usual govt spokespeople in here to get this one right and say something like:

“You know what? You’re absolutely right. They have got it SO wrong here, and her comments are utterly abhorrent. I may still broadly support the government but they’re on their own here”

And just leave it at that without a ‘but’ or a ‘what about...’.

Let’s see.