Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 5)

[bitchstewie]

Disastrous said:

It makes me wonder.

There’s a massive opportunity for the usual govt spokespeople in here to get this one right and say something like:

“You know what? You’re absolutely right. They have got it SO wrong here, and her comments are utterly abhorrent. I may still broadly support the government but they’re on their own here”

And just leave it at that without a ‘bit’ or a ‘what about...’.

Let’s see.

It won't happen.

It's a phenomenon I think I first noticed on the Farage thread.

The man wanted to leave the EU which is fair enough even if I don't agree with his way of going about things.

Now of course if you dig into Nigel's politics there's quite a lot of grubby stuff there.

You could bring up incident after incident and simply suggest to people that it's quite reasonable to say "I agree with Nigel on wanting to leave the EU but I don't agree with him on this".

Incident after incident and time after time but most of them just couldn't bring themselves to do it.

The odd thing is I'm not convinced most of them agreed with the things they were getting behind I think they just went along with it because of a mix of pride and thinking it winds up people like me.

The penny didn't seem to drop that they'd started out wanting to leave the EU and ended up doing things like defending the AfD's manifesto rather than just saying they didn't think Farage should have gone on stage at one of their rallies.

I digress but politics does properly funny stuff to people.

[Biker 1]

I don't know about the rest of you lot, but politics IMO has now plumbed depths even I thought I'd never see in this country. I can't think of a single one of the current mob that I would vote fore, from any party. Conclusion? fk 'em all & don't bother voting ever again. What a sorry state...

[bitchstewie]

Tory MP Ben Bradley wakes up refreshed following lovely dream in which he was hailed as national hero for proving Marcus Rashford wrong to feed hungry children

[768]

Saxby should go.

Still not as thick as Rayner nor deputy party leader, but she's made a mess of her ability to do her work there for nothing.

[TCX]

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:

And now Boris has gone soft on immigration, at least compared to Theresa May. In an unannounced change he has lowered the minimum salary for unskilled migrants to be able to settle in the country from £35k down to £25k.

No idea why he would try to introduce that on the QT...

No suprise really,if he told an ambassadors meeting,as foreign sec,he was all for 'freedom of movement'?
Ask yourself,if a government was committed to control of its own borders,how hard would it be to end the illegal immigration crisis?not very I'd bet

[bitchstewie]

Biker 1 said:

I don't know about the rest of you lot, but politics IMO has now plumbed depths even I thought I'd never see in this country. I can't think of a single one of the current mob that I would vote fore, from any party. Conclusion? fk 'em all & don't bother voting ever again. What a sorry state...

It's immensely difficult.

Think of it this way.

You could have the most diligent hard working local MP imaginable who works wonders for their local community and who quite literally couldn't represent their constituents any better than they do.

They'll get nowhere as an independent because you get people who would vote for a donkey so long as it wore the right coloured rosette so at some point they end up representing one of the parties.

So you vote for them and you get Johnson and you get this or you get Corbyn and all that anti-semitism baggage.

It's almost as if the system is broken but there are undoubtedly some really excellent individuals trying to do their best to work within it.

[chrispmartha]

https://twitter.com/richardascott/status/131988695...

When art imitates life.

Sounds pretty much like a lot of PHers on here and a fair few Tory MPs

[bitchstewie]

Do more remote learning with less laptops

Laptop allocation for England's schools slashed by 80%

There has to be more to this?

[Stay in Bed Instead]

bhstewie said:

Do more remote learning with less laptops

Laptop allocation for England's schools slashed by 80%

There has to be more to this?

Laptop poverty?

[Taylor James]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

bhstewie said:

Do more remote learning with less laptops

Laptop allocation for England's schools slashed by 80%

There has to be more to this?

Laptop poverty?

Covid 20/21/22 will kill 80% of young people?

[Randy Winkman]

amusingduck said:

bhstewie said:

amusingduck said:

bhstewie said:

I wonder if he'll be rethinking this

Ben Bradley: I will not be undertaking unconscious bias training – and call on my colleagues to take the same stand

You might be happy to see the race first and the individual second, but not everybody feels that way. Thankfully.

I'm with MLK. You?

I'm pretty sure you'll find that sort of thing looks beyond "just" race and covers all sorts of other issues i.e. sexism, ageism, upbringing and background.

The point is unchanged. Critical Race Theory vs MLK. They are mutually exclusive.

MLK?

Either way, Ben Bradley proves that the very people that really need to do unconscious bias training are the ones that refuse to do it. Though to be fair, they are the ones that are so confident that they are always right that there's probably no point anyway.

Does anyone really think they have no unconscious biases?

Edited by Randy Winkman on Saturday 24th October 13:56

Edited by Randy Winkman on Saturday 24th October 13:56

Edited by Randy Winkman on Saturday 24th October 13:57

[Unknown_User]

bhstewie said:

Do more remote learning with less laptops

Laptop allocation for England's schools slashed by 80%

There has to be more to this?

If feckless parents can't afford a simple laptop to enable their children's education, then obviously they shouldn't have kids. Take the kids into care and let them use the laptops there.

After all, what does a highly educated child offer the country?

[amusingduck]

Randy Winkman said:

amusingduck said:

bhstewie said:

amusingduck said:

bhstewie said:

I wonder if he'll be rethinking this

Ben Bradley: I will not be undertaking unconscious bias training – and call on my colleagues to take the same stand

You might be happy to see the race first and the individual second, but not everybody feels that way. Thankfully.

I'm with MLK. You?

I'm pretty sure you'll find that sort of thing looks beyond "just" race and covers all sorts of other issues i.e. sexism, ageism, upbringing and background.

The point is unchanged. Critical Race Theory vs MLK. They are mutually exclusive.

MLK?

Either way, Ben Bradley proves that the very people that really need to do unconscious bias training are the ones that refuse to do it. Though to be fair, they are the ones that are so confident that they are always right that there's probably no point anyway.

Does anyone really think they have no unconscious biases?

Martin Luther King.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

He'd be spinning in his grave if he could see where the US is going. Trying to repeal race discrimination laws, say.
https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_16,...

I am entirely confident in my belief that people should not be viewed through a racial lens, yes. That the individual comes first, not their group identity. That belief is inviolable.

If you believe otherwise, your mindset is no different to that of the garden variety racist.

[Tuna]

Disastrous said:

Or, just take a second to read the room and think “maybe taking a contrarian stance every single time, just to show how internet cool I am isn’t the best plan when I find myself arguing with people about child food poverty, purely because I’m incapable of ever just agreeing with some posters.”
.

I don't know if you've noticed, but this thread is dominated by a handful of posters who are passionately opposed to the Government in general, and Boris in particular. "The room" here is the "whinge about the Tories" room. This is where you can call anyone who supports Tory policy an "Ultra" and it goes unchallenged, or use Twitter posts as a political argument. It's pretty easy to read the room, there's a big sign saying "You're not welcome here".

I can and do agree with posters - for instance on the issue of ennoblement at the start of the week. However, when those posters subsequently go off the rails (it turns out Boris wasn't an evil racist only giving out titles to his mates), I'm going to call it out - because strangely, and absolutely without fail, they go quiet on the subject when it doesn't go their way.

"Reading the room" isn't blindly agreeing with a monoculture of political opinion - especially not when it's being championed by aggressive, intolerant ideologues.

It's entirely within their right to claim I support this government, on the basis that I disagree with their obsessive opposition, but there is actually a mid point between those two extremes. It's not surprising they find it hard to grasp that concept, but hey.

And honestly, there's no audience I'm aiming to impress, I'm not "putting on an act", this just happens to be the one thread where many of the political issues of the day get discussed, so it's a convenient place to spend a few minutes between jobs saying chewing over the issues. I rarely see these things as simplistic black and white issues, and often there's some interesting stuff going on in the way the media, the main political parties and the commentariat handle events. More often than not, I'll be posting about that rather than cheering or jeering the heroes and villains in the piece.

[Red 4]

Tuna there, saying he looks beyond the headlines, delves into the facts and purporting that he doesn't make wild accusations and bold statements without having the first fking idea what he is talking about.

Laughable. Absolutely laughable. The hypocrisy continues. Sorry mate but you are just becoming a parody of yourself now.

You're right that we should check the facts - when they are available - but you really should practice what you preach.
Your latest posts just make you look like a sanctimonious buffoon. Them's the facts.
Sorry.

[Carl_Manchester]

Red 4 said:

Your latest posts just make you look like a sanctimonious buffoon. Them's the facts.
Sorry.

When the ‘debate’ becomes name calling and playing the player and not the ball, that’s when you need to ask questions of yourself not others Red.

There’s two sides to every debate, you can’t extinguish views by attempting a headshot on an individual in every post you make.

[Unknown_User]

Tuna said:

I don't know if you've noticed, but this thread is dominated by a handful of posters who are passionately opposed to the Government in general, and Boris in particular. "The room" here is the "whinge about the Tories" room. This is where you can call anyone who supports Tory policy an "Ultra" and it goes unchallenged, or use Twitter posts as a political argument. It's pretty easy to read the room, there's a big sign saying "You're not welcome here".

I can and do agree with posters - for instance on the issue of ennoblement at the start of the week. However, when those posters subsequently go off the rails (it turns out Boris wasn't an evil racist only giving out titles to his mates), I'm going to call it out - because strangely, and absolutely without fail, they go quiet on the subject when it doesn't go their way.

"Reading the room" isn't blindly agreeing with a monoculture of political opinion - especially not when it's being championed by aggressive, intolerant ideologues.

It's entirely within their right to claim I support this government, on the basis that I disagree with their obsessive opposition, but there is actually a mid point between those two extremes. It's not surprising they find it hard to grasp that concept, but hey.

And honestly, there's no audience I'm aiming to impress, I'm not "putting on an act", this just happens to be the one thread where many of the political issues of the day get discussed, so it's a convenient place to spend a few minutes between jobs saying chewing over the issues. I rarely see these things as simplistic black and white issues, and often there's some interesting stuff going on in the way the media, the main political parties and the commentariat handle events. More often than not, I'll be posting about that rather than cheering or jeering the heroes and villains in the piece.

Good honest post. And I'm genuinely sorry and surprised that you think there is a "You're not welcome here" atmosphere here, this most certainly isn't the case as far as I'm concerned. I have been called much worse than an "Ultra" on here for simply not agreeing with tory policies but hey, st happens.

However, your posts can come across as particularly partisan at times and it doesn't escape my notice that you will always find a way to argue in favour of this government and put little to no effort into challenging those that blindly support this tory government when things don't work out for the ruling Party. In fact, at times your absence when the ruling party make a mess of things is obvious (to me at least).

Your view of others is probably how they view you and hence, I applaud your post, as it demonstrates how different folk view the folk on the opposing side of the political spectrum. Your first paragraph reinforces this. Have you checked any of the other political threads (the Dianne Abbot thread) and seen the "attack anything Labour/EU/LibDem/SNP at any cost"? Do you criticise those posters in "their Room" or jut the ones you believe are anti-tory?

People might be angry with the current government for a range of issues and this thread might be an exam[le of the wider community. I hope it continues to be a place where people feel they can criticise this tory government if that is what they want to do. You come across as knowledgeable and robust, if somewhat partisan but that is a good thing IMO. To me, you appear to enjoy the odd pile in as much as the next person at times but again, hey ho. Anyway, stop your bellyaching and keep contributing.

[sim72]

bhstewie said:

Do more remote learning with less laptops

Laptop allocation for England's schools slashed by 80%

There has to be more to this?

We've had our allocation (which still included some that were never delivered in the first place in May, and included 4G dongles for families that had no Internet connection at all) reduced by around 65%.

However, it is now a legal requirement that we teach all self-isolating kids online.

I can't help thinking there's a slight logical disconnect here.

[Red 4]

Carl_Manchester said:

Red 4 said:

Your latest posts just make you look like a sanctimonious buffoon. Them's the facts.
Sorry.

When the ‘debate’ becomes name calling and playing the player and not the ball, that’s when you need to ask questions of yourself not others Red.

There’s two sides to every debate, you can’t extinguish views by attempting a headshot on an individual in every post you make.

I justified my opinion. Tuna is accusing others - and criticising them - for doing the exact thing that he does himself; that is not checking the facts.

He's then attempted to climb up to the moral high ground, slipping and stumbling as he goes.
If that isn't sanctimonious then I don't know what is.

He's providing the ammo. I'm just firing off a few rounds but I'm not aiming for the head.

[Crackie]

Red 4 said:

Tuna there, saying he looks beyond the headlines, delves into the facts and purporting that he doesn't make wild accusations and bold statements without having the first fking idea what he is talking about.

Laughable. Absolutely laughable. The hypocrisy continues. Sorry mate but you are just becoming a parody of yourself now.

You're right that we should check the facts - when they are available - but you really should practice what you preach.
Your latest posts just make you look like a sanctimonious buffoon. Them's the facts.
Sorry.

It's the way tell 'em.

Your posting history on here has provided nothing but political rhetoric, anecdotes dressed up as facts and a multitude of insults.

Having read your response to Tuna's post above and both of your contributions during the past fortnight, Tuna has a far more pragmatic and balanced view than your 'contributions' suggest you're capable of.