Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 5)
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I don't think Ben Bradley has had the best 24 hours.
'Disgusting': Mansfield charities react to Ben Bradley's free school meals tweets
'Disgusting': Mansfield charities react to Ben Bradley's free school meals tweets
IforB said:
There is no "sensible debate" to be had...
Damn right.When a poster who wants to be perceived as intelligent accuses a UK government of deliberately malnourishing children and keeping them uneducated, more than just a shark has been jumped.
Sadly, this is the level of hysteria some want to drum up on this topic. And the tragedy of that is that this problem will therefore continue to be a problem for decades to come (as it has existed for decades) because nobody wants to grasp the nettle of why this problem exists at all with all the money and free food already on offer.
Murph7355 said:
IforB said:
There is no "sensible debate" to be had...
Damn right.When a poster who wants to be perceived as intelligent accuses a UK government of deliberately malnourishing children and keeping them uneducated, more than just a shark has been jumped.
Sadly, this is the level of hysteria some want to drum up on this topic. And the tragedy of that is that this problem will therefore continue to be a problem for decades to come (as it has existed for decades) because nobody wants to grasp the nettle of why this problem exists at all with all the money and free food already on offer.
Kids are going hungry. Kids are falling further behind. Poverty is increasing. Inequality is increasing.
Going "lalalalalalala don't be so mean to be annoyed about it" is pointless and in my book is an enabler for the useless scumbags we have in Government to carry on doing nothing.
IforB said:
Child poverty and hunger thread by Jane Godley
In the mid 70s my mum and dad were separated, I was the youngest. Mum was exhausted with life, crap at managing money and addicted to Valium/ opiate pills – I was 14 at Eastbank Academy school
2. I got free meals and it was embarrassing but I was too hungry to care. I would eat at midday and not eat again until midday the next day as there was often no food at home
3. I became clever at finding people in the family to “visit” to ask them for a sandwich or some biscuits. I was ashamed of the poverty and it was always a “secret” bear in mind I was being sexually abused by my Uncle at the same time
4. So visiting family was fraught with danger in case he was there as well. People ask “why didn’t you say?” Well I did say …nobody really listened and if they could accept my abuse then the hunger was going un noticed
5. I couldn’t concentrate at school I was starving and gorging on food at midday. It wasn’t every day but probably 3/4 days of the week this went on
6. Cookery classes were a nightmare as we had to pay 50p or something towards the ingredients and I couldn’t afford that so I wasn’t allowed to learn to cook – the teacher often let me skip the fee though and she knew I was eating my “dishes” before they went home
7. The guidance teacher sussed ( god bless Mr Burgess) that I was hungry and skint and would often bring a sandwich for me at 10am break. He saved my life and sanity – and tried to get me to explain what my home life was like but I couldn’t explain
8. The constant hunger drove me to stealing food from the cookery class and I more than once ate out of a bin when classmates threw away food
9. Child poverty brings such shame and horror on kids, we don’t want you to know our house is filthy, that we have nits and we haven’t eaten as we don’t want you to judge our mammy, she is already was broken
10. Our mammys cry into cans of beer and sing songs about “how my man left me” and smoke into the one bar electric fire and you sit there and don’t want anything else bad to happen to her
11. My mammy ended up in a mental institution more than once and I recall the shame of going to school in her slippers because I had no shoes
12. Children bear the stigma of extreme poverty and blame themselves for their parents failings and blame their own bodies for sexual abuse
13. No social worker ever came to see my mum about my welfare and thankfully. we have @children1st so if you’re a parent reading this and feeling overwhelmed with poverty and hunger – call them and get support – I wish someone had for wee Janey in 1974
14. This is still happening today – stop judging people – help the kids and accept mental illness/ addiction and broken families can be supported because the Tories aren’t going to do it so families in crisis please turn to people and ask for help because your kids won’t.
I wonder what some of the people defending the Government think of this.
I am laying bets with myself at the responses.
Your 'feed the kids, simple' solution would have done nothing for the abuse and neglect she suffered. Why don't you care about neglect and abuse? It's obvious you don't want to touch that subject with a bargepole, so I'm a little perplexed as to why you'd post a story where the main theme is abuse.In the mid 70s my mum and dad were separated, I was the youngest. Mum was exhausted with life, crap at managing money and addicted to Valium/ opiate pills – I was 14 at Eastbank Academy school
2. I got free meals and it was embarrassing but I was too hungry to care. I would eat at midday and not eat again until midday the next day as there was often no food at home
3. I became clever at finding people in the family to “visit” to ask them for a sandwich or some biscuits. I was ashamed of the poverty and it was always a “secret” bear in mind I was being sexually abused by my Uncle at the same time
4. So visiting family was fraught with danger in case he was there as well. People ask “why didn’t you say?” Well I did say …nobody really listened and if they could accept my abuse then the hunger was going un noticed
5. I couldn’t concentrate at school I was starving and gorging on food at midday. It wasn’t every day but probably 3/4 days of the week this went on
6. Cookery classes were a nightmare as we had to pay 50p or something towards the ingredients and I couldn’t afford that so I wasn’t allowed to learn to cook – the teacher often let me skip the fee though and she knew I was eating my “dishes” before they went home
7. The guidance teacher sussed ( god bless Mr Burgess) that I was hungry and skint and would often bring a sandwich for me at 10am break. He saved my life and sanity – and tried to get me to explain what my home life was like but I couldn’t explain
8. The constant hunger drove me to stealing food from the cookery class and I more than once ate out of a bin when classmates threw away food
9. Child poverty brings such shame and horror on kids, we don’t want you to know our house is filthy, that we have nits and we haven’t eaten as we don’t want you to judge our mammy, she is already was broken
10. Our mammys cry into cans of beer and sing songs about “how my man left me” and smoke into the one bar electric fire and you sit there and don’t want anything else bad to happen to her
11. My mammy ended up in a mental institution more than once and I recall the shame of going to school in her slippers because I had no shoes
12. Children bear the stigma of extreme poverty and blame themselves for their parents failings and blame their own bodies for sexual abuse
13. No social worker ever came to see my mum about my welfare and thankfully. we have @children1st so if you’re a parent reading this and feeling overwhelmed with poverty and hunger – call them and get support – I wish someone had for wee Janey in 1974
14. This is still happening today – stop judging people – help the kids and accept mental illness/ addiction and broken families can be supported because the Tories aren’t going to do it so families in crisis please turn to people and ask for help because your kids won’t.
I wonder what some of the people defending the Government think of this.
I am laying bets with myself at the responses.
amusingduck said:
IforB said:
Child poverty and hunger thread by Jane Godley
In the mid 70s my mum and dad were separated, I was the youngest. Mum was exhausted with life, crap at managing money and addicted to Valium/ opiate pills – I was 14 at Eastbank Academy school
2. I got free meals and it was embarrassing but I was too hungry to care. I would eat at midday and not eat again until midday the next day as there was often no food at home
3. I became clever at finding people in the family to “visit” to ask them for a sandwich or some biscuits. I was ashamed of the poverty and it was always a “secret” bear in mind I was being sexually abused by my Uncle at the same time
4. So visiting family was fraught with danger in case he was there as well. People ask “why didn’t you say?” Well I did say …nobody really listened and if they could accept my abuse then the hunger was going un noticed
5. I couldn’t concentrate at school I was starving and gorging on food at midday. It wasn’t every day but probably 3/4 days of the week this went on
6. Cookery classes were a nightmare as we had to pay 50p or something towards the ingredients and I couldn’t afford that so I wasn’t allowed to learn to cook – the teacher often let me skip the fee though and she knew I was eating my “dishes” before they went home
7. The guidance teacher sussed ( god bless Mr Burgess) that I was hungry and skint and would often bring a sandwich for me at 10am break. He saved my life and sanity – and tried to get me to explain what my home life was like but I couldn’t explain
8. The constant hunger drove me to stealing food from the cookery class and I more than once ate out of a bin when classmates threw away food
9. Child poverty brings such shame and horror on kids, we don’t want you to know our house is filthy, that we have nits and we haven’t eaten as we don’t want you to judge our mammy, she is already was broken
10. Our mammys cry into cans of beer and sing songs about “how my man left me” and smoke into the one bar electric fire and you sit there and don’t want anything else bad to happen to her
11. My mammy ended up in a mental institution more than once and I recall the shame of going to school in her slippers because I had no shoes
12. Children bear the stigma of extreme poverty and blame themselves for their parents failings and blame their own bodies for sexual abuse
13. No social worker ever came to see my mum about my welfare and thankfully. we have @children1st so if you’re a parent reading this and feeling overwhelmed with poverty and hunger – call them and get support – I wish someone had for wee Janey in 1974
14. This is still happening today – stop judging people – help the kids and accept mental illness/ addiction and broken families can be supported because the Tories aren’t going to do it so families in crisis please turn to people and ask for help because your kids won’t.
I wonder what some of the people defending the Government think of this.
I am laying bets with myself at the responses.
Your 'feed the kids, simple' solution would have done nothing for the abuse and neglect she suffered. Why don't you care about neglect and abuse? It's obvious you don't want to touch that subject with a bargepole, so I'm a little perplexed as to why you'd post a story where the main theme is abuse.In the mid 70s my mum and dad were separated, I was the youngest. Mum was exhausted with life, crap at managing money and addicted to Valium/ opiate pills – I was 14 at Eastbank Academy school
2. I got free meals and it was embarrassing but I was too hungry to care. I would eat at midday and not eat again until midday the next day as there was often no food at home
3. I became clever at finding people in the family to “visit” to ask them for a sandwich or some biscuits. I was ashamed of the poverty and it was always a “secret” bear in mind I was being sexually abused by my Uncle at the same time
4. So visiting family was fraught with danger in case he was there as well. People ask “why didn’t you say?” Well I did say …nobody really listened and if they could accept my abuse then the hunger was going un noticed
5. I couldn’t concentrate at school I was starving and gorging on food at midday. It wasn’t every day but probably 3/4 days of the week this went on
6. Cookery classes were a nightmare as we had to pay 50p or something towards the ingredients and I couldn’t afford that so I wasn’t allowed to learn to cook – the teacher often let me skip the fee though and she knew I was eating my “dishes” before they went home
7. The guidance teacher sussed ( god bless Mr Burgess) that I was hungry and skint and would often bring a sandwich for me at 10am break. He saved my life and sanity – and tried to get me to explain what my home life was like but I couldn’t explain
8. The constant hunger drove me to stealing food from the cookery class and I more than once ate out of a bin when classmates threw away food
9. Child poverty brings such shame and horror on kids, we don’t want you to know our house is filthy, that we have nits and we haven’t eaten as we don’t want you to judge our mammy, she is already was broken
10. Our mammys cry into cans of beer and sing songs about “how my man left me” and smoke into the one bar electric fire and you sit there and don’t want anything else bad to happen to her
11. My mammy ended up in a mental institution more than once and I recall the shame of going to school in her slippers because I had no shoes
12. Children bear the stigma of extreme poverty and blame themselves for their parents failings and blame their own bodies for sexual abuse
13. No social worker ever came to see my mum about my welfare and thankfully. we have @children1st so if you’re a parent reading this and feeling overwhelmed with poverty and hunger – call them and get support – I wish someone had for wee Janey in 1974
14. This is still happening today – stop judging people – help the kids and accept mental illness/ addiction and broken families can be supported because the Tories aren’t going to do it so families in crisis please turn to people and ask for help because your kids won’t.
I wonder what some of the people defending the Government think of this.
I am laying bets with myself at the responses.
Murph7355 said:
When a poster who wants to be perceived as intelligent accuses a UK government of deliberately malnourishing children and keeping them uneducated, more than just a shark has been jumped.
When a UK Government quite literally can't even bring itself to pay tribute or give praise to the many private businesses that have responded to Rashford's campaign by offering to provide free meals for vulnerable children over half-term what does that tell you?b
hstewie said:
hstewie said: When a UK Government quite literally can't even bring itself to pay tribute or give praise to the many private businesses that have responded to Rashford's campaign by offering to provide free meals for vulnerable children over half-term what does that tell you?
It tells me the govt are rightly not acknowledging the virtue signaling, "like" seeking, pathetic band wagon jumpers.Although I expect many of these companies actually realise that this whole child poverty, starving kiddies narrative is nothing but bulls
t and fake news, but the opportunity to earn some invaluable positive publicity and social media brownie points is too good to pass up.mike74 said:
It tells me the govt are rightly not acknowledging the virtue signaling, "like" seeking, pathetic band wagon jumpers.
Although I expect many of these companies actually realise that this whole child poverty, starving kiddies narrative is nothing but bullst and fake news, but the opportunity to earn some invaluable positive publicity and social media brownie points is too good to pass up.
A particularly mean-spirited response which addresses my point better than anything I could have possibly said myself.Although I expect many of these companies actually realise that this whole child poverty, starving kiddies narrative is nothing but bulls
t and fake news, but the opportunity to earn some invaluable positive publicity and social media brownie points is too good to pass up.If that's how you think a Johnson-led Government sees struggling businesses dipping into their own pockets to feed kids it it says more about you and them than you might think.
mike74 said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: When a UK Government quite literally can't even bring itself to pay tribute or give praise to the many private businesses that have responded to Rashford's campaign by offering to provide free meals for vulnerable children over half-term what does that tell you?
It tells me the govt are rightly not acknowledging the virtue signaling, "like" seeking, pathetic band wagon jumpers.Although I expect many of these companies actually realise that this whole child poverty, starving kiddies narrative is nothing but bulls
t and fake news, but the opportunity to earn some invaluable positive publicity and social media brownie points is too good to pass up."Virtue signalling" about simply feeding kids...
Your soul needs dry cleaning.
mike74 said:
It tells me the govt are rightly not acknowledging the virtue signaling, "like" seeking, pathetic band wagon jumpers.
Although I expect many of these companies actually realise that this whole child poverty, starving kiddies narrative is nothing but bullst and fake news, but the opportunity to earn some invaluable positive publicity and social media brownie points is too good to pass up.
Christ mate, re-read that and then give your head a wobble.Although I expect many of these companies actually realise that this whole child poverty, starving kiddies narrative is nothing but bulls
t and fake news, but the opportunity to earn some invaluable positive publicity and social media brownie points is too good to pass up.Food poverty amongst the most vulnerable in society and come up with that?
mike74 said:
It tells me the govt are rightly not acknowledging the virtue signaling, "like" seeking, pathetic band wagon jumpers.
Although I expect many of these companies actually realise that this whole child poverty, starving kiddies narrative is nothing but bullst and fake news, but the opportunity to earn some invaluable positive publicity and social media brownie points is too good to pass up.
We're through the keyhole now, folks - someone who is so desperate to defend the Tories that they have brought themselves to believe that child poverty doesn't exist in this country.Although I expect many of these companies actually realise that this whole child poverty, starving kiddies narrative is nothing but bulls
t and fake news, but the opportunity to earn some invaluable positive publicity and social media brownie points is too good to pass up.Peak PH, that.
IforB said:
mike74 said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: When a UK Government quite literally can't even bring itself to pay tribute or give praise to the many private businesses that have responded to Rashford's campaign by offering to provide free meals for vulnerable children over half-term what does that tell you?
It tells me the govt are rightly not acknowledging the virtue signaling, "like" seeking, pathetic band wagon jumpers.Although I expect many of these companies actually realise that this whole child poverty, starving kiddies narrative is nothing but bulls
t and fake news, but the opportunity to earn some invaluable positive publicity and social media brownie points is too good to pass up."Virtue signalling" about simply feeding kids...
Your soul needs dry cleaning.
Rumour has it Rashford is really Boris' son (Boris, apparently, doesn't know how many kids he's got).
Rashford has been quietly learning his art and mastering new skills, gaining allies and benefitting from the wisdom and teaching of one who is A Master.
There will be a final reckoning. Boris will repent and beg forgiveness for his sins.
Good will prevail and the galaxy will find peace.
In other words, there will be a U-turn.
If they don't, given the probable financial hardship that some families will experience over the coming months (67% of pay, etc) there will be a huge backlash. Not that there isn't already.
Why they don't just extend this until Spring is beyond me. The costs won't even register in the grand scheme of things. Madness.
Edited by Red 4 on Saturday 24th October 19:25
Tuna said:
Disastrous said:
Or, just take a second to read the room and think “maybe taking a contrarian stance every single time, just to show how internet cool I am isn’t the best plan when I find myself arguing with people about child food poverty, purely because I’m incapable of ever just agreeing with some posters.”
.
I don't know if you've noticed, but this thread is dominated by a handful of posters who are passionately opposed to the Government in general, and Boris in particular. "The room" here is the "whinge about the Tories" room. This is where you can call anyone who supports Tory policy an "Ultra" and it goes unchallenged, or use Twitter posts as a political argument. It's pretty easy to read the room, there's a big sign saying "You're not welcome here". .
I can and do agree with posters - for instance on the issue of ennoblement at the start of the week. However, when those posters subsequently go off the rails (it turns out Boris wasn't an evil racist only giving out titles to his mates), I'm going to call it out - because strangely, and absolutely without fail, they go quiet on the subject when it doesn't go their way.
"Reading the room" isn't blindly agreeing with a monoculture of political opinion - especially not when it's being championed by aggressive, intolerant ideologues.
It's entirely within their right to claim I support this government, on the basis that I disagree with their obsessive opposition, but there is actually a mid point between those two extremes. It's not surprising they find it hard to grasp that concept, but hey.
And honestly, there's no audience I'm aiming to impress, I'm not "putting on an act", this just happens to be the one thread where many of the political issues of the day get discussed, so it's a convenient place to spend a few minutes between jobs saying chewing over the issues. I rarely see these things as simplistic black and white issues, and often there's some interesting stuff going on in the way the media, the main political parties and the commentariat handle events. More often than not, I'll be posting about that rather than cheering or jeering the heroes and villains in the piece.
Even adding “I agree, they’ve managed this incredibly poorly. A better way would have been to...” makes you sound ever so slightly less weird. You just don’t seem to be self aware enough to see it. Which would be fine if you didn’t care how others view you but you spend so much time crying about it that it must bug you.
Can you not, even a little bit, see how you come across?
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Lewis Goodall's Twitter feed is quite useful I find.
I don't know how accurate this is because of course how do you know where else to look but it's an interesting read.
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/131959167...
He says 4.2 million children are in relative poverty. There are 6.7 million people in primary or secondary school.I don't know how accurate this is because of course how do you know where else to look but it's an interesting read.
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/131959167...
So in our country, only 2.5 million children are not in poverty? That's nearly 2 children in poverty for every one that's 'ok'.
This seems... odd.
Tuna said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Lewis Goodall's Twitter feed is quite useful I find.
I don't know how accurate this is because of course how do you know where else to look but it's an interesting read.
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/131959167...
He says 4.2 million children are in relative poverty. There are 6.7 million people in primary or secondary school.I don't know how accurate this is because of course how do you know where else to look but it's an interesting read.
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/131959167...
So in our country, only 2.5 million children are not in poverty? That's nearly 2 children in poverty for every one that's 'ok'.
This seems... odd.
Instead of looking at what he is saying and the message. You just try to incorrectly pour scorn by misrepresenting figures that you have plucked out of the air.
You just keep showing your true colours.
Helicopter123 said:
mike74 said:
It tells me the govt are rightly not acknowledging the virtue signaling, "like" seeking, pathetic band wagon jumpers.
Although I expect many of these companies actually realise that this whole child poverty, starving kiddies narrative is nothing but bullst and fake news, but the opportunity to earn some invaluable positive publicity and social media brownie points is too good to pass up.
Christ mate, re-read that and then give your head a wobble.Although I expect many of these companies actually realise that this whole child poverty, starving kiddies narrative is nothing but bulls
t and fake news, but the opportunity to earn some invaluable positive publicity and social media brownie points is too good to pass up.Food poverty amongst the most vulnerable in society and come up with that?
Unknown_User said:
However, your posts can come across as particularly partisan at times and it doesn't escape my notice that you will always find a way to argue in favour of this government and put little to no effort into challenging those that blindly support this tory government when things don't work out for the ruling Party. In fact, at times your absence when the ruling party make a mess of things is obvious (to me at least).
Your view of others is probably how they view you and hence, I applaud your post, as it demonstrates how different folk view the folk on the opposing side of the political spectrum. Your first paragraph reinforces this. Have you checked any of the other political threads (the Dianne Abbot thread) and seen the "attack anything Labour/EU/LibDem/SNP at any cost"? Do you criticise those posters in "their Room" or jut the ones you believe are anti-tory?
Firstly - thank you for a calm and considered response. It's welcome after the name calling, even if I don't necessarily agree with it. Your view of others is probably how they view you and hence, I applaud your post, as it demonstrates how different folk view the folk on the opposing side of the political spectrum. Your first paragraph reinforces this. Have you checked any of the other political threads (the Dianne Abbot thread) and seen the "attack anything Labour/EU/LibDem/SNP at any cost"? Do you criticise those posters in "their Room" or jut the ones you believe are anti-tory?
Maybe it's the nature of the debate, but honestly there's far less 'pro Tory' content on this thread to argue with (maybe it's because they're so terrible
). I have checked the other threads - the Dianne Abbot thread is a cess-pool that doesn't deserve any attention. I've commented on the Kier Starmer thread, but it's a bit difficult to pick apart policy discussions where there's virtually no discussion about policy. The anti-semitic stuff is equally toxic and not something I want to get into. You'll note I've not launched into any great "anti Starmer" posts on there - does that mean I'm supporting him now?
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