Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 5)
Discussion
amusingduck said:
IforB said:
The thing is. You say you don't like it, but then you (or others) defend a Government that is perpetuating that and instead of saying "yeah, that is crap." You just get into a row and then morons start chucking in comments about "virtue signalling" and creating instant contempt.
Quote me.You can't.
You know why? Because if kids are getting neglected, that's entirely the Governments responsibility to stamp out.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:Murph7355 said:
When a poster who wants to be perceived as intelligent accuses a UK government of deliberately malnourishing children and keeping them uneducated, more than just a shark has been jumped.
When a UK Government quite literally can't even bring itself to pay tribute or give praise to the many private businesses that have responded to Rashford's campaign by offering to provide free meals for vulnerable children over half-term what does that tell you?IforB said:
amusingduck said:
IforB said:
Child poverty and hunger thread by Jane Godley
In the mid 70s my mum and dad were separated, I was the youngest. Mum was exhausted with life, crap at managing money and addicted to Valium/ opiate pills – I was 14 at Eastbank Academy school
2. I got free meals and it was embarrassing but I was too hungry to care. I would eat at midday and not eat again until midday the next day as there was often no food at home
3. I became clever at finding people in the family to “visit” to ask them for a sandwich or some biscuits. I was ashamed of the poverty and it was always a “secret” bear in mind I was being sexually abused by my Uncle at the same time
4. So visiting family was fraught with danger in case he was there as well. People ask “why didn’t you say?” Well I did say …nobody really listened and if they could accept my abuse then the hunger was going un noticed
5. I couldn’t concentrate at school I was starving and gorging on food at midday. It wasn’t every day but probably 3/4 days of the week this went on
6. Cookery classes were a nightmare as we had to pay 50p or something towards the ingredients and I couldn’t afford that so I wasn’t allowed to learn to cook – the teacher often let me skip the fee though and she knew I was eating my “dishes” before they went home
7. The guidance teacher sussed ( god bless Mr Burgess) that I was hungry and skint and would often bring a sandwich for me at 10am break. He saved my life and sanity – and tried to get me to explain what my home life was like but I couldn’t explain
8. The constant hunger drove me to stealing food from the cookery class and I more than once ate out of a bin when classmates threw away food
9. Child poverty brings such shame and horror on kids, we don’t want you to know our house is filthy, that we have nits and we haven’t eaten as we don’t want you to judge our mammy, she is already was broken
10. Our mammys cry into cans of beer and sing songs about “how my man left me” and smoke into the one bar electric fire and you sit there and don’t want anything else bad to happen to her
11. My mammy ended up in a mental institution more than once and I recall the shame of going to school in her slippers because I had no shoes
12. Children bear the stigma of extreme poverty and blame themselves for their parents failings and blame their own bodies for sexual abuse
13. No social worker ever came to see my mum about my welfare and thankfully. we have @children1st so if you’re a parent reading this and feeling overwhelmed with poverty and hunger – call them and get support – I wish someone had for wee Janey in 1974
14. This is still happening today – stop judging people – help the kids and accept mental illness/ addiction and broken families can be supported because the Tories aren’t going to do it so families in crisis please turn to people and ask for help because your kids won’t.
I wonder what some of the people defending the Government think of this.
I am laying bets with myself at the responses.
Your 'feed the kids, simple' solution would have done nothing for the abuse and neglect she suffered. Why don't you care about neglect and abuse? It's obvious you don't want to touch that subject with a bargepole, so I'm a little perplexed as to why you'd post a story where the main theme is abuse.In the mid 70s my mum and dad were separated, I was the youngest. Mum was exhausted with life, crap at managing money and addicted to Valium/ opiate pills – I was 14 at Eastbank Academy school
2. I got free meals and it was embarrassing but I was too hungry to care. I would eat at midday and not eat again until midday the next day as there was often no food at home
3. I became clever at finding people in the family to “visit” to ask them for a sandwich or some biscuits. I was ashamed of the poverty and it was always a “secret” bear in mind I was being sexually abused by my Uncle at the same time
4. So visiting family was fraught with danger in case he was there as well. People ask “why didn’t you say?” Well I did say …nobody really listened and if they could accept my abuse then the hunger was going un noticed
5. I couldn’t concentrate at school I was starving and gorging on food at midday. It wasn’t every day but probably 3/4 days of the week this went on
6. Cookery classes were a nightmare as we had to pay 50p or something towards the ingredients and I couldn’t afford that so I wasn’t allowed to learn to cook – the teacher often let me skip the fee though and she knew I was eating my “dishes” before they went home
7. The guidance teacher sussed ( god bless Mr Burgess) that I was hungry and skint and would often bring a sandwich for me at 10am break. He saved my life and sanity – and tried to get me to explain what my home life was like but I couldn’t explain
8. The constant hunger drove me to stealing food from the cookery class and I more than once ate out of a bin when classmates threw away food
9. Child poverty brings such shame and horror on kids, we don’t want you to know our house is filthy, that we have nits and we haven’t eaten as we don’t want you to judge our mammy, she is already was broken
10. Our mammys cry into cans of beer and sing songs about “how my man left me” and smoke into the one bar electric fire and you sit there and don’t want anything else bad to happen to her
11. My mammy ended up in a mental institution more than once and I recall the shame of going to school in her slippers because I had no shoes
12. Children bear the stigma of extreme poverty and blame themselves for their parents failings and blame their own bodies for sexual abuse
13. No social worker ever came to see my mum about my welfare and thankfully. we have @children1st so if you’re a parent reading this and feeling overwhelmed with poverty and hunger – call them and get support – I wish someone had for wee Janey in 1974
14. This is still happening today – stop judging people – help the kids and accept mental illness/ addiction and broken families can be supported because the Tories aren’t going to do it so families in crisis please turn to people and ask for help because your kids won’t.
I wonder what some of the people defending the Government think of this.
I am laying bets with myself at the responses.
Now have another hundred at least.
- The story quoted was from he mid-70s. Were the Tories in power in the mid-70s?
- The mother was a broken addict who couldn't feed her kids. Do you think giving the mother more money would have solved the predicament? Do you think she'd have even noticed vouchers being given to her?
- A member of the author's family was also a child molestor. Would your yacht club giving her a meal have addressed that little problem?
hstewie's approach. Not one. Moreover, none of that happened under a Tory government. So the problem is evidently party agnostic.
Let's take the author's story...what would you do to stop that happening again? As I would bet large amounts of money that elements of that story are exactly why this problem has always been prevalent, and remains so today. And unless we address them, it will still be this way in a decade's time.
So rather than tot up points in a game in your head, what is the solution to the author's experience?
Murph7355 said:
Good for you.
Now have another hundred at least.
hstewie's approach. Not one.
Moreover, none of that happened under a Tory government. So the problem is evidently party agnostic.
Let's take the author's story...what would you do to stop that happening again? As I would bet large amounts of money that elements of that story are exactly why this problem has always been prevalent, and remains so today. And unless we address them, it will still be this way in a decade's time.
So rather than tot up points in a game in your head, what is the solution to the author's experience?
Full House! Now have another hundred at least.
- The story quoted was from he mid-70s. Were the Tories in power in the mid-70s?
- The mother was a broken addict who couldn't feed her kids. Do you think giving the mother more money would have solved the predicament? Do you think she'd have even noticed vouchers being given to her?
- A member of the author's family was also a child molestor. Would your yacht club giving her a meal have addressed that little problem?
hstewie's approach. Not one. Moreover, none of that happened under a Tory government. So the problem is evidently party agnostic.
Let's take the author's story...what would you do to stop that happening again? As I would bet large amounts of money that elements of that story are exactly why this problem has always been prevalent, and remains so today. And unless we address them, it will still be this way in a decade's time.
So rather than tot up points in a game in your head, what is the solution to the author's experience?
pablo said:
THEY’VE HAD A DECADE TO DO SOMETHING..... how long does it take to creat a plan that adequately funds the education and social services?
Well, seeing as this is the Boris Johnson thread in 2019 Johnson claimed that 400,000 fewer children were living in poverty since 2010.That was an outright lie.
Poverty is difficult to measure and there are a number of metrics available but no matter which one you choose the estimates are that there are between 3.7 million and 4.6 million children living in poverty in the UK.
Some measures say the number has increased by 500,000 since 2010.
That represents between a quarter and a third of all children.
It's a big number.
Murph7355 said:
IforB said:
Full House!
But sadly a busted flush in terms of a constructive answer from you 
Still, keep us posted on how the yacht club's delivery food service works out.
As for the delivery service. After a shed load of work over the last 48 hrs, 12 families were delivered to tonight. After a chat with a few people who know a lot more about it all than me this morning, we set up a system with the local school (luckily the deputy head is a good mate and was happy to get bothered at 0900 on a Saturday morning), where they obviously know who the kids are who receive FSM. The school then passed on the offer directly to all concerned. The families could then opt in and contact us directly if they so wished and we then had an idea of how many it would be and could liaise directly. Obviously data protection is massively important, so we had to come up with a way that was targeted, but also maintained people's confidentiality.
We are expecting a lot more once as it goes on, but it worked pretty well tonight. We decided not just to feed kids, but to provide a meal to all in the household, so all in all, I think it was 43 meals that went out in total. Depending on how "popular" this becomes, it may need changing, but it is early days. We'll run it this week and see what happens and then make refinements for the Christmas period.
I am pretty pleased with that as a first day, considering how quickly it has all come together. It is amazing how many people just swung into action and helped.
Kind of a nice antidote to this thread really and the appalling attitudes of so many in it. Whilst this thread displays much of the worst and most selfish mindsets, I am heartened that out in the real world, most people are genuinely caring and compassionate.
I am knackered now though, so I'm off to bed.
Tuna said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Lewis Goodall's Twitter feed is quite useful I find.
I don't know how accurate this is because of course how do you know where else to look but it's an interesting read.
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/131959167...
He says 4.2 million children are in relative poverty. There are 6.7 million people in primary or secondary school.I don't know how accurate this is because of course how do you know where else to look but it's an interesting read.
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/131959167...
So in our country, only 2.5 million children are not in poverty? That's nearly 2 children in poverty for every one that's 'ok'.
This seems... odd.
Lewis Goodall is an editor at Newsnight so I'd perhaps assume he's done his homework.
From a quick Google read this.
https://www.childrenscommissioner.gov.uk/2020/06/2...
and this
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...
Page 16 specifically mentions the 4.2M figure.
It also says it's expected to rise to 5.2M.
Murph7355 said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Murph7355 said:
When a poster who wants to be perceived as intelligent accuses a UK government of deliberately malnourishing children and keeping them uneducated, more than just a shark has been jumped.
When a UK Government quite literally can't even bring itself to pay tribute or give praise to the many private businesses that have responded to Rashford's campaign by offering to provide free meals for vulnerable children over half-term what does that tell you?When a UK Government quite literally can't even bring itself to pay tribute or give praise to the many private businesses that have responded to Rashford's campaign by offering to provide free meals for vulnerable children over half-term what does that tell you?
It's not as if it's a trick question.
I don't really know what an exchange between IforB and amusingduck has to do with it.
IforB said:
Start by using the figures the bloke who knows what he is talking about is using, rather than the ones you have made up yourself to make a point.
For example, I am sure you are aware there are children who are too young to be in primary education.
That's a valid point. Why is nobody feeding starving children not at school?For example, I am sure you are aware there are children who are too young to be in primary education.
pablo said:
Doesn’t exist because you’ve never seen it, You really are a aren’t you?
Can't be bothered replying separately to all the woefully uninformed and gullible individuals who've quoted me so I'll say it all here. aren’t you?I live and work in the community of one of the least economically active counties in the whole of the UK (it's had the lowest GVA figures for the entire UK consistently for many years)
Yet I constantly and consistently see people choosing to have children they couldn't otherwise afford because the rewards in terms of benefits available for doing so are so ridiculously generous.
I know several young women (under 21) in my own workplace who have given up what is a secure, reasonably well paid job to become ''full time single mummies'' because the lifestyle and financial rewards are so much more appealing.
In the community I see ''single'' parents (at least they claim to be single) living in council housing with houses and gardens literally overflowing with excess ''stuff'' furniture, toys, clothes until the council occasionally provides these people with a skip (FOC of course) to help them get rid of it before they start accumulating all over again.
I personally know of one ''single'' mother of three who is pulling in £350 a week in UC...
Plus Child Benefit
Plus Council Tax Benefit
Plus child maintenance from the 3 dads
Plus any money she may or may not earn from the obligatory 16 hours per week that she claims to work as a childminder
She drives a 16 plate Kadjar, has regular nights out, shopping trips to the nearest city and outlets, has a pedigree ''handbag dog'', frequently advertises used children's clothes for sale on Facebook... every single item is an expensive brand or designer label.
Any children who are living in any form of poverty and going to bed hungry under the current benefits system must be the product of such feckless, irresponsible and uncaring parents that they are undoubtedly legally unfit to have a child in their care in the first place, they're probably not even capable of looking after themselves never mind being responsible for kids and subsequently the children should be taken away from them as a welfare and safeguarding issue.
I actually suspect that the numbers of parents/children who do fall into the above category are very small, but no, the uninformed idiots on here just want to jump on the Saint Rashy bandwagon and reward all ''vulnerable'' and ''poverty stricken'' parents on benefits with yet more money.
The debate we should be having is how do we end the insane situation of encouraging and rewarding the feckless breeders but I doubt that will ever happen, it's the same as the phoney war on mass immigration, ukgov just wants to inflate the population by any means necessary, mainly to keep those oh so important GDP figures in the positive range.
Edited by mike74 on Sunday 25th October 05:42
Edited by mike74 on Sunday 25th October 06:50
Edited by mike74 on Sunday 25th October 06:54
markyb_lcy said:
2000 children’s doctors have come forward now, against the govt’s policy with regard to child hunger.
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/oct/24/...
Are these all virtue signalling, Marxist fake news merchants too?
I really think this is silly. We get that most Tories don’t believe in this stuff, but Rashford has shown them up once. Why do they think he (and others) won’t succeed a 2nd time?
From a management of optics perspective this is a huge act of political suicide.
So how long until the U-turn? I give it until the end of next week.
Vouchers achieve very little in terms of feeding neglected children as it gives those vouchers to the people already neglecting them. https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/oct/24/...
Are these all virtue signalling, Marxist fake news merchants too?
I really think this is silly. We get that most Tories don’t believe in this stuff, but Rashford has shown them up once. Why do they think he (and others) won’t succeed a 2nd time?
From a management of optics perspective this is a huge act of political suicide.
So how long until the U-turn? I give it until the end of next week.
The Guardian claimed that the government were considering putting more money into holiday clubs and that is likely in my view to be what they do in response.
IforB said:
Murph7355 said:
IforB said:
Full House!
But sadly a busted flush in terms of a constructive answer from you Still, keep us posted on how the yacht club's delivery food service works out.
As for the delivery service. After a shed load of work over the last 48 hrs, 12 families were delivered to tonight. After a chat with a few people who know a lot more about it all than me this morning, we set up a system with the local school (luckily the deputy head is a good mate and was happy to get bothered at 0900 on a Saturday morning), where they obviously know who the kids are who receive FSM. The school then passed on the offer directly to all concerned. The families could then opt in and contact us directly if they so wished and we then had an idea of how many it would be and could liaise directly. Obviously data protection is massively important, so we had to come up with a way that was targeted, but also maintained people's confidentiality.
We are expecting a lot more once as it goes on, but it worked pretty well tonight. We decided not just to feed kids, but to provide a meal to all in the household, so all in all, I think it was 43 meals that went out in total. Depending on how "popular" this becomes, it may need changing, but it is early days. We'll run it this week and see what happens and then make refinements for the Christmas period.
I am pretty pleased with that as a first day, considering how quickly it has all come together. It is amazing how many people just swung into action and helped.
Kind of a nice antidote to this thread really and the appalling attitudes of so many in it. Whilst this thread displays much of the worst and most selfish mindsets, I am heartened that out in the real world, most people are genuinely caring and compassionate.
I am knackered now though, so I'm off to bed.
Alucidnation said:
IforB said:
Murph7355 said:
IforB said:
Full House!
But sadly a busted flush in terms of a constructive answer from you Still, keep us posted on how the yacht club's delivery food service works out.
As for the delivery service. After a shed load of work over the last 48 hrs, 12 families were delivered to tonight. After a chat with a few people who know a lot more about it all than me this morning, we set up a system with the local school (luckily the deputy head is a good mate and was happy to get bothered at 0900 on a Saturday morning), where they obviously know who the kids are who receive FSM. The school then passed on the offer directly to all concerned. The families could then opt in and contact us directly if they so wished and we then had an idea of how many it would be and could liaise directly. Obviously data protection is massively important, so we had to come up with a way that was targeted, but also maintained people's confidentiality.
We are expecting a lot more once as it goes on, but it worked pretty well tonight. We decided not just to feed kids, but to provide a meal to all in the household, so all in all, I think it was 43 meals that went out in total. Depending on how "popular" this becomes, it may need changing, but it is early days. We'll run it this week and see what happens and then make refinements for the Christmas period.
I am pretty pleased with that as a first day, considering how quickly it has all come together. It is amazing how many people just swung into action and helped.
Kind of a nice antidote to this thread really and the appalling attitudes of so many in it. Whilst this thread displays much of the worst and most selfish mindsets, I am heartened that out in the real world, most people are genuinely caring and compassionate.
I am knackered now though, so I'm off to bed.
IforB said:
If I could be bothered, I'd point out that you are entirely missing the point of what she posted, as well as when and why she posted it.
As for the delivery service. After a shed load of work over the last 48 hrs, 12 families were delivered to tonight. After a chat with a few people who know a lot more about it all than me this morning, we set up a system with the local school (luckily the deputy head is a good mate and was happy to get bothered at 0900 on a Saturday morning), where they obviously know who the kids are who receive FSM. The school then passed on the offer directly to all concerned. The families could then opt in and contact us directly if they so wished and we then had an idea of how many it would be and could liaise directly. Obviously data protection is massively important, so we had to come up with a way that was targeted, but also maintained people's confidentiality.
We are expecting a lot more once as it goes on, but it worked pretty well tonight. We decided not just to feed kids, but to provide a meal to all in the household, so all in all, I think it was 43 meals that went out in total. Depending on how "popular" this becomes, it may need changing, but it is early days. We'll run it this week and see what happens and then make refinements for the Christmas period.
I am pretty pleased with that as a first day, considering how quickly it has all come together. It is amazing how many people just swung into action and helped.
Kind of a nice antidote to this thread really and the appalling attitudes of so many in it. Whilst this thread displays much of the worst and most selfish mindsets, I am heartened that out in the real world, most people are genuinely caring and compassionate.
I am knackered now though, so I'm off to bed.
Good for you, at least you are walking the walk.As for the delivery service. After a shed load of work over the last 48 hrs, 12 families were delivered to tonight. After a chat with a few people who know a lot more about it all than me this morning, we set up a system with the local school (luckily the deputy head is a good mate and was happy to get bothered at 0900 on a Saturday morning), where they obviously know who the kids are who receive FSM. The school then passed on the offer directly to all concerned. The families could then opt in and contact us directly if they so wished and we then had an idea of how many it would be and could liaise directly. Obviously data protection is massively important, so we had to come up with a way that was targeted, but also maintained people's confidentiality.
We are expecting a lot more once as it goes on, but it worked pretty well tonight. We decided not just to feed kids, but to provide a meal to all in the household, so all in all, I think it was 43 meals that went out in total. Depending on how "popular" this becomes, it may need changing, but it is early days. We'll run it this week and see what happens and then make refinements for the Christmas period.
I am pretty pleased with that as a first day, considering how quickly it has all come together. It is amazing how many people just swung into action and helped.
Kind of a nice antidote to this thread really and the appalling attitudes of so many in it. Whilst this thread displays much of the worst and most selfish mindsets, I am heartened that out in the real world, most people are genuinely caring and compassionate.
I am knackered now though, so I'm off to bed.
Now if you can only stop preaching at others all will be well in the world.
Disastrous said:
Tuna said:
Disastrous said:
Or, just take a second to read the room and think “maybe taking a contrarian stance every single time, just to show how internet cool I am isn’t the best plan when I find myself arguing with people about child food poverty, purely because I’m incapable of ever just agreeing with some posters.”
.
I don't know if you've noticed, but this thread is dominated by a handful of posters who are passionately opposed to the Government in general, and Boris in particular. "The room" here is the "whinge about the Tories" room. This is where you can call anyone who supports Tory policy an "Ultra" and it goes unchallenged, or use Twitter posts as a political argument. It's pretty easy to read the room, there's a big sign saying "You're not welcome here". .
I can and do agree with posters - for instance on the issue of ennoblement at the start of the week. However, when those posters subsequently go off the rails (it turns out Boris wasn't an evil racist only giving out titles to his mates), I'm going to call it out - because strangely, and absolutely without fail, they go quiet on the subject when it doesn't go their way.
"Reading the room" isn't blindly agreeing with a monoculture of political opinion - especially not when it's being championed by aggressive, intolerant ideologues.
It's entirely within their right to claim I support this government, on the basis that I disagree with their obsessive opposition, but there is actually a mid point between those two extremes. It's not surprising they find it hard to grasp that concept, but hey.
And honestly, there's no audience I'm aiming to impress, I'm not "putting on an act", this just happens to be the one thread where many of the political issues of the day get discussed, so it's a convenient place to spend a few minutes between jobs saying chewing over the issues. I rarely see these things as simplistic black and white issues, and often there's some interesting stuff going on in the way the media, the main political parties and the commentariat handle events. More often than not, I'll be posting about that rather than cheering or jeering the heroes and villains in the piece.
Even adding “I agree, they’ve managed this incredibly poorly. A better way would have been to...” makes you sound ever so slightly less weird. You just don’t seem to be self aware enough to see it. Which would be fine if you didn’t care how others view you but you spend so much time crying about it that it must bug you.
Can you not, even a little bit, see how you come across?
Edited by Crackie on Sunday 25th October 08:25
mike74 said:
pablo said:
Doesn’t exist because you’ve never seen it, You really are a aren’t you?
Can't be bothered replying separately to all the woefully uninformed and gullible individuals who've quoted me so I'll say it all here. aren’t you?I live and work in the community of one of the least economically active counties in the whole of the UK (it's had the lowest GVA figures for the entire UK consistently for many years)
Yet I constantly and consistently see people choosing to have children they couldn't otherwise afford because the rewards in terms of benefits available for doing so are so ridiculously generous.
I know several young women (under 21) in my own workplace who have given up what is a secure, reasonably well paid job to become ''full time single mummies'' because the lifestyle and financial rewards are so much more appealing.
In the community I see ''single'' parents (at least they claim to be single) living in council housing with houses and gardens literally overflowing with excess ''stuff'' furniture, toys, clothes until the council occasionally provides these people with a skip (FOC of course) to help them get rid of it before they start accumulating all over again.
I personally know of one ''single'' mother of three who is pulling in £350 a week in UC...
Plus Child Benefit
Plus Council Tax Benefit
Plus child maintenance from the 3 dads
Plus any money she may or may not earn from the obligatory 16 hours per week that she claims to work as a childminder
She drives a 16 plate Kadjar, has regular nights out, shopping trips to the nearest city and outlets, has a pedigree ''handbag dog'', frequently advertises used children's clothes for sale on Facebook... every single item is an expensive brand or designer label.
Any children who are living in any form of poverty and going to bed hungry under the current benefits system must be the product of such feckless, irresponsible and uncaring parents that they are undoubtedly legally unfit to have a child in their care in the first place, they're probably not even capable of looking after themselves never mind being responsible for kids and subsequently the children should be taken away from them as a welfare and safeguarding issue.
I actually suspect that the numbers of parents/children who do fall into the above category are very small, but no, the uninformed idiots on here just want to jump on the Saint Rashy bandwagon and reward all ''vulnerable'' and ''poverty stricken'' parents on benefits with yet more money.
The debate we should be having is how do we end the insane situation of encouraging and rewarding the feckless breeders but I doubt that will ever happen, it's the same as the phoney war on mass immigration, ukgov just wants to inflate the population by any means necessary, mainly to keep those oh so important GDP figures in the positive range.
Edited by mike74 on Sunday 25th October 05:42
Edited by mike74 on Sunday 25th October 06:50
Edited by mike74 on Sunday 25th October 06:54
No-one and I do mean no-one is suggesting that the welfare system is adequate or fit for purpose.
Two completely different things.
Stay in Bed Instead said:
IforB said:
If I could be bothered, I'd point out that you are entirely missing the point of what she posted, as well as when and why she posted it.
As for the delivery service. After a shed load of work over the last 48 hrs, 12 families were delivered to tonight. After a chat with a few people who know a lot more about it all than me this morning, we set up a system with the local school (luckily the deputy head is a good mate and was happy to get bothered at 0900 on a Saturday morning), where they obviously know who the kids are who receive FSM. The school then passed on the offer directly to all concerned. The families could then opt in and contact us directly if they so wished and we then had an idea of how many it would be and could liaise directly. Obviously data protection is massively important, so we had to come up with a way that was targeted, but also maintained people's confidentiality.
We are expecting a lot more once as it goes on, but it worked pretty well tonight. We decided not just to feed kids, but to provide a meal to all in the household, so all in all, I think it was 43 meals that went out in total. Depending on how "popular" this becomes, it may need changing, but it is early days. We'll run it this week and see what happens and then make refinements for the Christmas period.
I am pretty pleased with that as a first day, considering how quickly it has all come together. It is amazing how many people just swung into action and helped.
Kind of a nice antidote to this thread really and the appalling attitudes of so many in it. Whilst this thread displays much of the worst and most selfish mindsets, I am heartened that out in the real world, most people are genuinely caring and compassionate.
I am knackered now though, so I'm off to bed.
Good for you, at least you are walking the walk.As for the delivery service. After a shed load of work over the last 48 hrs, 12 families were delivered to tonight. After a chat with a few people who know a lot more about it all than me this morning, we set up a system with the local school (luckily the deputy head is a good mate and was happy to get bothered at 0900 on a Saturday morning), where they obviously know who the kids are who receive FSM. The school then passed on the offer directly to all concerned. The families could then opt in and contact us directly if they so wished and we then had an idea of how many it would be and could liaise directly. Obviously data protection is massively important, so we had to come up with a way that was targeted, but also maintained people's confidentiality.
We are expecting a lot more once as it goes on, but it worked pretty well tonight. We decided not just to feed kids, but to provide a meal to all in the household, so all in all, I think it was 43 meals that went out in total. Depending on how "popular" this becomes, it may need changing, but it is early days. We'll run it this week and see what happens and then make refinements for the Christmas period.
I am pretty pleased with that as a first day, considering how quickly it has all come together. It is amazing how many people just swung into action and helped.
Kind of a nice antidote to this thread really and the appalling attitudes of so many in it. Whilst this thread displays much of the worst and most selfish mindsets, I am heartened that out in the real world, most people are genuinely caring and compassionate.
I am knackered now though, so I'm off to bed.
Now if you can only stop preaching at others all will be well in the world.
Fair play and Well done to IforB.
Alucidnation said:
IforB said:
Murph7355 said:
IforB said:
Full House!
But sadly a busted flush in terms of a constructive answer from you Still, keep us posted on how the yacht club's delivery food service works out.
As for the delivery service. After a shed load of work over the last 48 hrs, 12 families were delivered to tonight. After a chat with a few people who know a lot more about it all than me this morning, we set up a system with the local school (luckily the deputy head is a good mate and was happy to get bothered at 0900 on a Saturday morning), where they obviously know who the kids are who receive FSM. The school then passed on the offer directly to all concerned. The families could then opt in and contact us directly if they so wished and we then had an idea of how many it would be and could liaise directly. Obviously data protection is massively important, so we had to come up with a way that was targeted, but also maintained people's confidentiality.
We are expecting a lot more once as it goes on, but it worked pretty well tonight. We decided not just to feed kids, but to provide a meal to all in the household, so all in all, I think it was 43 meals that went out in total. Depending on how "popular" this becomes, it may need changing, but it is early days. We'll run it this week and see what happens and then make refinements for the Christmas period.
I am pretty pleased with that as a first day, considering how quickly it has all come together. It is amazing how many people just swung into action and helped.
Kind of a nice antidote to this thread really and the appalling attitudes of so many in it. Whilst this thread displays much of the worst and most selfish mindsets, I am heartened that out in the real world, most people are genuinely caring and compassionate.
I am knackered now though, so I'm off to bed.
Do you find it difficult to chew gum and walk at the same time? It may explain a lot.
IforB said:
mike74 said:
pablo said:
Doesn’t exist because you’ve never seen it, You really are a aren’t you?
Can't be bothered replying separately to all the woefully uninformed and gullible individuals who've quoted me so I'll say it all here. aren’t you?I live and work in the community of one of the least economically active counties in the whole of the UK (it's had the lowest GVA figures for the entire UK consistently for many years)
Yet I constantly and consistently see people choosing to have children they couldn't otherwise afford because the rewards in terms of benefits available for doing so are so ridiculously generous.
I know several young women (under 21) in my own workplace who have given up what is a secure, reasonably well paid job to become ''full time single mummies'' because the lifestyle and financial rewards are so much more appealing.
In the community I see ''single'' parents (at least they claim to be single) living in council housing with houses and gardens literally overflowing with excess ''stuff'' furniture, toys, clothes until the council occasionally provides these people with a skip (FOC of course) to help them get rid of it before they start accumulating all over again.
I personally know of one ''single'' mother of three who is pulling in £350 a week in UC...
Plus Child Benefit
Plus Council Tax Benefit
Plus child maintenance from the 3 dads
Plus any money she may or may not earn from the obligatory 16 hours per week that she claims to work as a childminder
She drives a 16 plate Kadjar, has regular nights out, shopping trips to the nearest city and outlets, has a pedigree ''handbag dog'', frequently advertises used children's clothes for sale on Facebook... every single item is an expensive brand or designer label.
Any children who are living in any form of poverty and going to bed hungry under the current benefits system must be the product of such feckless, irresponsible and uncaring parents that they are undoubtedly legally unfit to have a child in their care in the first place, they're probably not even capable of looking after themselves never mind being responsible for kids and subsequently the children should be taken away from them as a welfare and safeguarding issue.
I actually suspect that the numbers of parents/children who do fall into the above category are very small, but no, the uninformed idiots on here just want to jump on the Saint Rashy bandwagon and reward all ''vulnerable'' and ''poverty stricken'' parents on benefits with yet more money.
The debate we should be having is how do we end the insane situation of encouraging and rewarding the feckless breeders but I doubt that will ever happen, it's the same as the phoney war on mass immigration, ukgov just wants to inflate the population by any means necessary, mainly to keep those oh so important GDP figures in the positive range.
Edited by mike74 on Sunday 25th October 05:42
Edited by mike74 on Sunday 25th October 06:50
Edited by mike74 on Sunday 25th October 06:54
No-one and I do mean no-one is suggesting that the welfare system is adequate or fit for purpose.
Two completely different things.
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