Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 5)
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IforB said:
This is the problem with having a Conservative Government that has not only chosen to do nothing to feed vulnerable kids, but actively whipped it's MPs to make sure it did nothing.
It's this sort of dishonest hyperbole that ends up with name calling and extreme positions, Ifor - by now you should have learned to reign it in a little.They've not "done nothing", have they? In the middle of a pandemic, Sunak's u-turn on support last week, an increase in Universal Credit and £63 million to local authorities for exactly this issue is not "nothing", is it? It's just not the specific action that you want. You're close with your council, and clearly doing sterling work to make a difference, why chose to belittle and deny efforts rather than working with them to see that support is provided?
Once again we have people taking absolutist positions - which by now, surely you've realised makes compromise harder to achieve - and the debate is lost.
IforB said:
This is the problem with having a Conservative Government that has not only chosen to do nothing to feed vulnerable kids, but actively whipped it's MPs to make sure it did nothing.
I snipped the bile after this sentence - as it all roots in the one quoted. Which is completely and utterly false. The government is, has and continues to do a huge amount to support low income families and their kids.
What they have not done, is extend that support in a very specific way that has never been provided before.
A way that, for those who really and truly need state intervention and support, is unlikely to actually help.
Sway said:
IforB said:
This is the problem with having a Conservative Government that has not only chosen to do nothing to feed vulnerable kids, but actively whipped it's MPs to make sure it did nothing.
I snipped the bile after this sentence - as it all roots in the one quoted. Which is completely and utterly false. The government is, has and continues to do a huge amount to support low income families and their kids.
What they have not done, is extend that support in a very specific way that has never been provided before.
A way that, for those who really and truly need state intervention and support, is unlikely to actually help.
There’s unexpected loss of income occurring all over the place. Don’t you agree this presents a scenario for some families that otherwise wouldn’t require state intervention and support?
It’s the government that have made these decisions that have created said scenario, therefore it’s incumbent on them to support the people it affects.
Unknown_User said:
JagLover said:
s2art said:
IforB said:
So it is a bit rich to be expecting any sympathy. Tory members need to take some responsibility for their decisions. You voted for a clown and now you have a circus.
Pretty good ROI then.
You have to marvel at all the hysteria about Boris and co following the same policy on FSM as every previous Conservative and Labour administration.
This is a problem mostly divorced from the economic cycle in any case. There is a minority of parents who fail to feed their children properly and there have been anecdotal stories about them in the press for years, in good times and bad.
markyb_lcy said:
Sway said:
IforB said:
This is the problem with having a Conservative Government that has not only chosen to do nothing to feed vulnerable kids, but actively whipped it's MPs to make sure it did nothing.
I snipped the bile after this sentence - as it all roots in the one quoted. Which is completely and utterly false. The government is, has and continues to do a huge amount to support low income families and their kids.
What they have not done, is extend that support in a very specific way that has never been provided before.
A way that, for those who really and truly need state intervention and support, is unlikely to actually help.
There’s unexpected loss of income occurring all over the place. Don’t you agree this presents a scenario for some families that otherwise wouldn’t require state intervention and support?
It’s the government that have made these decisions that have created said scenario, therefore it’s incumbent on them to support the people it affects.
But yes, there is support for those who are suffering changed circumstances. The same support that those who perpetually live on tiny incomes get.
So they're still not "doing nothing".
markyb_lcy said:
Are we forgetting the (apparently temporary) crisis that the pandemic creates?
There’s unexpected loss of income occurring all over the place. Don’t you agree this presents a scenario for some families that otherwise wouldn’t require state intervention and support?
It’s the government that have made these decisions that have created said scenario, therefore it’s incumbent on them to support the people it affects.
How about an extra £1000 to those who need it most, maybe over the course of a year, because of the pandemic?There’s unexpected loss of income occurring all over the place. Don’t you agree this presents a scenario for some families that otherwise wouldn’t require state intervention and support?
It’s the government that have made these decisions that have created said scenario, therefore it’s incumbent on them to support the people it affects.
markyb_lcy said:
Sway said:
IforB said:
This is the problem with having a Conservative Government that has not only chosen to do nothing to feed vulnerable kids, but actively whipped it's MPs to make sure it did nothing.
I snipped the bile after this sentence - as it all roots in the one quoted. Which is completely and utterly false. The government is, has and continues to do a huge amount to support low income families and their kids.
What they have not done, is extend that support in a very specific way that has never been provided before.
A way that, for those who really and truly need state intervention and support, is unlikely to actually help.
There’s unexpected loss of income occurring all over the place. Don’t you agree this presents a scenario for some families that otherwise wouldn’t require state intervention and support?
It’s the government that have made these decisions that have created said scenario, therefore it’s incumbent on them to support the people it affects.
£63 million for local authorities to assist those struggling to afford food and other essentials
New funding confirmed for local authorities to help those struggling financially as a result of coronavirus.
An additional £63 million has been confirmed by government today (Thursday 11 June) to be distributed to local authorities in England to help those who are struggling to afford food and other essentials due to coronavirus.
Local authorities are already working hard to support those who are vulnerable and this additional funding will contribute to that work.
Many have existing mechanisms to provide this support in a way that suits the needs of their community. This includes provision of cash payments, food vouchers, or alternative means of support.
This funding will sit alongside the £6.5 billion of extra support the government is providing through the welfare system to ensure the most vulnerable in our society are protected throughout this crisis.
Food Minister Victoria Prentis MP, who leads the cross-government Food and Essential Supplies to the Vulnerable Task Force, said:
“The extraordinary circumstances of this pandemic have meant real financial difficulty for many households, with people left facing hard choices.
“To help those who are struggling to afford food and other essentials, today we are announcing an additional £63 million which will be given to and distributed by local authorities to those in need.
“Local authorities are already doing a brilliant job helping the most vulnerable in their communities and this extra money will enable them to help more families and individuals at this extremely difficult time.”
Further government support is available for those struggling as a result of coronavirus. If you need urgent help, contact your local council to find out what services are available in your area.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/63-million-for-...
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markyb_lcy said:
Are we forgetting the (apparently temporary) crisis that the pandemic creates?
There’s unexpected loss of income occurring all over the place. Don’t you agree this presents a scenario for some families that otherwise wouldn’t require state intervention and support?
It’s the government that have made these decisions that have created said scenario, therefore it’s incumbent on them to support the people it affects.
How about an extra £1000 to those who need it most, maybe over the course of a year, because of the pandemic?There’s unexpected loss of income occurring all over the place. Don’t you agree this presents a scenario for some families that otherwise wouldn’t require state intervention and support?
It’s the government that have made these decisions that have created said scenario, therefore it’s incumbent on them to support the people it affects.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Nice to see you've found your voices when there's a bit of defending to be done.
Ask you why Johnson can't even bring himself to find a single word to acknowledge the extraordinary efforts of all those struggling businesses and it all goes a bit quiet.
Hancock was praising them this morning trying to make out how great it was that business is helping, ignoring the fact that business is stepping in to fill a gap in support. Ask you why Johnson can't even bring himself to find a single word to acknowledge the extraordinary efforts of all those struggling businesses and it all goes a bit quiet.
I think this is the line the government are taking just saying how pleased they are that everyone is contributing as though it’s nothing to do with them or that it’s the old blitz spirit and we’re all in it together type thing.
Hancock stopped short of actually taking credit for the whole scheme but he was obviously told to make out they’re very happy about it.
El stovey said:
Hancock was praising them this morning trying to make out how great it was that business is helping, ignoring the fact that business is stepping in to fill a gap in support.
I think this is the line the government are taking just saying how pleased they are that everyone is contributing as though it’s nothing to do with them or that it’s the old blitz spirit and we’re all in it together type thing.
Hancock stopped short of actually taking credit for the whole scheme but he was obviously told to make out they’re very happy about it.
Cameron's big society in action I think this is the line the government are taking just saying how pleased they are that everyone is contributing as though it’s nothing to do with them or that it’s the old blitz spirit and we’re all in it together type thing.
Hancock stopped short of actually taking credit for the whole scheme but he was obviously told to make out they’re very happy about it.
Tuna said:
IforB said:
This is the problem with having a Conservative Government that has not only chosen to do nothing to feed vulnerable kids, but actively whipped it's MPs to make sure it did nothing.
It's this sort of dishonest hyperbole that ends up with name calling and extreme positions, Ifor - by now you should have learned to reign it in a little.They've not "done nothing", have they? In the middle of a pandemic, Sunak's u-turn on support last week, an increase in Universal Credit and £63 million to local authorities for exactly this issue is not "nothing", is it? It's just not the specific action that you want. You're close with your council, and clearly doing sterling work to make a difference, why chose to belittle and deny efforts rather than working with them to see that support is provided?
Once again we have people taking absolutist positions - which by now, surely you've realised makes compromise harder to achieve - and the debate is lost.
"I beg to move,
That this House calls on the Government to continue directly funding provision of free school meals over the school holidays until Easter 2021 to prevent over a million children going hungry during this crisis."
That is it.
It was a free vote. It was put forward to be a free vote by MP's to put in time-limited, temporary measure to ensure kids could be fed during a time of national crisis.
Yet here we are. The Tory whips went into action and following it, they also told their own MP's how they should attack those that supported the motion or the idea of feeding kids in need.
Them's the facts buddy. No spin required. None of your usual misrepresentation. Just the actions of a morally derelict party laid bare for all to see.
You have also utterly ignored my post yesterday where I made it clear that the Government funding for councils does NOT include provision for this. Councils themselves have NOT been directed to use any funding to feed the kids at risk here. Many have chosen to do so, but there was no request from Government to fill this gap whatsoever.
So as posts go, yours is pretty special. Utterly wrong on every front.
El stovey said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Nice to see you've found your voices when there's a bit of defending to be done.
Ask you why Johnson can't even bring himself to find a single word to acknowledge the extraordinary efforts of all those struggling businesses and it all goes a bit quiet.
Hancock was praising them this morning trying to make out how great it was that business is helping, ignoring the fact that business is stepping in to fill a gap in support. Ask you why Johnson can't even bring himself to find a single word to acknowledge the extraordinary efforts of all those struggling businesses and it all goes a bit quiet.
I think this is the line the government are taking just saying how pleased they are that everyone is contributing as though it’s nothing to do with them or that it’s the old blitz spirit and we’re all in it together type thing.
Hancock stopped short of actually taking credit for the whole scheme but he was obviously told to make out they’re very happy about it.
Should they be angry cause kids aren't dying of starvation?
JagLover said:
This is a problem mostly divorced from the economic cycle in any case. There is a minority of parents who fail to feed their children properly and there have been anecdotal stories about them in the press for years, in good times and bad.
It’s been going on for years? Sounds like it’s a specific problem (made worse by covid) needing a different solution than what’s been tried before because as you say, that’s not worked. That Rashford bloke seems to have some new ideas maybe the government should try and get behind what he and (already struggling) local businesses are trying to do to help?
Sway said:
Why wouldn't they be happy about it? On top of the normal and additional support they're providing, the "big society" is kicking in to help too.
Should they be angry cause kids aren't dying of starvation?
They're upset because it’s making them look bad and they’ve backed themselves into a corner and feel they can’t u turn now.Should they be angry cause kids aren't dying of starvation?
El stovey said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Nice to see you've found your voices when there's a bit of defending to be done.
Ask you why Johnson can't even bring himself to find a single word to acknowledge the extraordinary efforts of all those struggling businesses and it all goes a bit quiet.
Hancock was praising them this morning trying to make out how great it was that business is helping, ignoring the fact that business is stepping in to fill a gap in support. Ask you why Johnson can't even bring himself to find a single word to acknowledge the extraordinary efforts of all those struggling businesses and it all goes a bit quiet.
I think this is the line the government are taking just saying how pleased they are that everyone is contributing as though it’s nothing to do with them or that it’s the old blitz spirit and we’re all in it together type thing.
Hancock stopped short of actually taking credit for the whole scheme but he was obviously told to make out they’re very happy about it.
Trying to walk the tightrope of trying to say he agrees with Marcus Rashford's campaign and all the amazing work those businesses are doing whilst also saying he doesn't quite agree with enough to ensure that kids aren't dependent on private businesses to get food.
Pretty incredible really.
El stovey said:
Sway said:
Why wouldn't they be happy about it? On top of the normal and additional support they're providing, the "big society" is kicking in to help too.
Should they be angry cause kids aren't dying of starvation?
They're upset because it’s making them look bad and they’ve backed themselves into a corner and feel they can’t u turn now.Should they be angry cause kids aren't dying of starvation?
El stovey said:
JagLover said:
This is a problem mostly divorced from the economic cycle in any case. There is a minority of parents who fail to feed their children properly and there have been anecdotal stories about them in the press for years, in good times and bad.
It’s been going on for years? Sounds like it’s a specific problem (made worse by covid) needing a different solution than what’s been tried before because as you say, that’s not worked. That Rashford bloke seems to have some new ideas maybe the government should try and get behind what he and (already struggling) local businesses are trying to do to help?
They also extended free meals at schools, with really low take up.
This isn't anything new.
loafer123 said:
El stovey said:
Sway said:
Why wouldn't they be happy about it? On top of the normal and additional support they're providing, the "big society" is kicking in to help too.
Should they be angry cause kids aren't dying of starvation?
They're upset because it’s making them look bad and they’ve backed themselves into a corner and feel they can’t u turn now.Should they be angry cause kids aren't dying of starvation?
With foresight they wouldn't have put through the £1K temporary increase in UC but waited to see what social media campaign was gaining traction and put the money into that instead, would have been cheaper as well. Perhaps that is the reality of what government should be in the modern age, who knows?
Edited by JagLover on Monday 26th October 09:53
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:El stovey said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Nice to see you've found your voices when there's a bit of defending to be done.
Ask you why Johnson can't even bring himself to find a single word to acknowledge the extraordinary efforts of all those struggling businesses and it all goes a bit quiet.
Hancock was praising them this morning trying to make out how great it was that business is helping, ignoring the fact that business is stepping in to fill a gap in support. Ask you why Johnson can't even bring himself to find a single word to acknowledge the extraordinary efforts of all those struggling businesses and it all goes a bit quiet.
I think this is the line the government are taking just saying how pleased they are that everyone is contributing as though it’s nothing to do with them or that it’s the old blitz spirit and we’re all in it together type thing.
Hancock stopped short of actually taking credit for the whole scheme but he was obviously told to make out they’re very happy about it.
Trying to walk the tightrope of trying to say he agrees with Marcus Rashford's campaign and all the amazing work those businesses are doing whilst also saying he doesn't quite agree with enough to ensure that kids aren't dependent on private businesses to get food.
Pretty incredible really.
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