Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 5)

[Red 4]

Costs, eh ?

How much did the "Eat out to help out" scheme cost to put a sticking plaster over the hospitality sector - many of whom are doomed anyway due to Covid and ongoing restrictions ?

Govt appear happy to appease those who want to eat out, larging it up in Wetherspoons and McDonalds for a month, but not so keen to provide the basics for the needy.

Priorities, people. Priorities.

[Tuna]

Red 4 said:

Costs, eh ?

How much did the "Eat out to help out" scheme cost to put a sticking plaster over the hospitality sector - many of whom are doomed anyway due to Covid and ongoing restrictions ?

Govt appear happy to appease those who want to eat out, larging it up in Wetherspoons and McDonalds for a month, but not so keen to provide the basics for the needy.

Priorities, people. Priorities.

Oh come on. Covid support has been sprayed across the whole economy - from UC increases, to business support. In trying to boost the hospitality sector specifically, they were targeting the UK's fourth largest employer and a significant source of revenue and activity.

Please stop with the black and white stuff.

[Murph7355]

chrispmartha said:

Murph7355 said:

chrispmartha said:

It’s fixing the immediate problem of the kids not being fed, has anyone actually stated it fixes the root of the problem, you can try fix the immediate issue and the root of the issue, they are not mutually exclusive....

I agree with this (though am far from convinced current approaches on the immediate problem won't simply end up with significant waste and not much material difference).

However...where are Marcus and the others on what the root causes actually are and the solutions therein? It's all band aiding.

Him bringing attention to the topic is a great use of his platform. It now needs using to get an objective view of the root causes so we don't have this same thing happening again and again.

Isn’t the point that it really shouldn’t be down to footballer to find the fix for the root of the problem

I don't disagree...but then he appears to want to for the short term fixes.

Please bear in mind that the government hasn't "done nothing" as many seem to want to think. They simply haven't done what Marcus Rashford wants.

And yes, yes BS, the Childrens Commissioner and the others you note...although I'm not sure they are that far off what Dimbleby notes.

They have increased UC and they are providing the funding that councils are using to plug the gaps and, in theory, able to use on a targeted basis.

Their comms is st on this. They lose the narrative on every major topic at the moment which is not a good sign. But to say they are doing nothing is wrong.

[SpeckledJim]

Red 4 said:

Costs, eh ?

How much did the "Eat out to help out" scheme cost to put a sticking plaster over the hospitality sector - many of whom are doomed anyway due to Covid and ongoing restrictions ?

Govt appear happy to appease those who want to eat out, larging it up in Wetherspoons and McDonalds for a month, but not so keen to provide the basics for the needy.

Priorities, people. Priorities.

For arguments sake, if the government was to give every family in the land an extra £100 per child per month, what would you propose they did next, if/when some children were still going hungry?

Or would you consider at that point that the state had done what they could and the problem was not something the state could solve?

[Murph7355]

Red 4 said:

Costs, eh ?

How much did the "Eat out to help out" scheme cost to put a sticking plaster over the hospitality sector - many of whom are doomed anyway due to Covid and ongoing restrictions ?

Govt appear happy to appease those who want to eat out, larging it up in Wetherspoons and McDonalds for a month, but not so keen to provide the basics for the needy.

Priorities, people. Priorities.

Different issues.

I've criticised those polices and furlough in general too. Ironically they made the same mistake with these initiatives that I think Rashford (and co) are doing with theirs - not targeted enough, too knee jerk, will solve nothing for more than 5mins (and I'm not even sure for that long).

Adding more waste/poor policy to other areas of waste/poor policy is not the way forward

[Red 4]

Tuna said:

Red 4 said:

Costs, eh ?

How much did the "Eat out to help out" scheme cost to put a sticking plaster over the hospitality sector - many of whom are doomed anyway due to Covid and ongoing restrictions ?

Govt appear happy to appease those who want to eat out, larging it up in Wetherspoons and McDonalds for a month, but not so keen to provide the basics for the needy.

Priorities, people. Priorities.

Oh come on. Covid support has been sprayed across the whole economy - from UC increases, to business support. In trying to boost the hospitality sector specifically, they were targeting the UK's fourth largest employer and a significant source of revenue and activity.

Please stop with the black and white stuff.

Do you think Eat out to help out worked ? Or do you think it just went some way to delaying the inevitable ? That is, hospitality is toast. Lots will not survive.

The govt appear to be tightening their belts and they are prepared to create yet another political ststorm over something which is an emotive subject.
Pick your battles.This is a PR disaster.

Maybe they should have used a bit of common sense but that seems a big ask, unfortunately.

There are no winners here. Least of all govt.

[Stay in Bed Instead]

Red 4 said:

Do you think Eat out to help out worked ? Or do you think it just went some way to delaying the inevitable ? That is, hospitality is toast. Lots will not survive.

The govt appear to be tightening their belts and they are prepared to create yet another political ststorm over something which is an emotive subject.
Pick your battles.This is a PR disaster.

Maybe they should have used a bit of common sense but that seems a big ask, unfortunately.

There are no winners here. Least of all govt.

Rashford got an MBE out if it.

[Red 4]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

Red 4 said:

Do you think Eat out to help out worked ? Or do you think it just went some way to delaying the inevitable ? That is, hospitality is toast. Lots will not survive.

The govt appear to be tightening their belts and they are prepared to create yet another political ststorm over something which is an emotive subject.
Pick your battles.This is a PR disaster.

Maybe they should have used a bit of common sense but that seems a big ask, unfortunately.

There are no winners here. Least of all govt.

Rashford got an MBE out if it.

Rashford is the reincarnation of Gandhi.

Just like Burnham is the reincarnation of William Wallace.

They both deserve credit and they are both role models. I'm in awe TBH. An MBE was the least they could do.

Andy deserves a knighthood. I don't think he'd accept though. Principles, you see.

[Crackie]

Tuna said:

Not that there's much mileage in continuing this discussion, but can anyone point to a G20 nation that has got this right? Which country has eliminated child poverty? What should we be learning from them?

Old information but Denmark appear to perform very well relative to UK and other European peers. Would also be good to know the background re the OECD study and how figures were derived.

[Red 4]

Crackie, my love.

Have you got any graphs which show poverty levels in, say, Burnley for example ?
Any Northern town/ city with a rep for deprivation will do.

I've been to Burnley. I thought I'd seen it all. I hadn't. I still have nightmares.

[Stay in Bed Instead]

Red 4 said:

I've been to Burnley. I thought I'd seen it all. I hadn't. I still have nightmares.

I feel the same about Slough.

[vonuber]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

Rashford got an MBE out if it.

He missed a trick. He should've bunged them a few quid and he might have got a knighthood.

[SpeckledJim]

Crackie said:

Tuna said:

Not that there's much mileage in continuing this discussion, but can anyone point to a G20 nation that has got this right? Which country has eliminated child poverty? What should we be learning from them?

Old information but Denmark appear to perform very well relative to UK and other European peers. Would also be good to know the background re the OECD study and how figures were derived.

Is that 'poverty' as in not having two beans to rub together, or 'poverty' as in not being within x% of the average?

Otherwise it's difficult to judge as the average in Denmark has got a lot, lot more than the average in Israel.

[Red 4]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

Red 4 said:

I've been to Burnley. I thought I'd seen it all. I hadn't. I still have nightmares.

I feel the same about Slough.

Never been to Slough. Is this one of the much fabled rough Southern villages ? What am I missing ?

Burnley is twinned with Beirut (slightly fewer snipers though) although I still wore my body armour, just in case.

[Stay in Bed Instead]

Red 4 said:

Never been to Slough. Is this one of the much fabled rough Southern villages ? What am I missing ?

Nothing.

[don'tbesilly]

vonuber said:

Stay in Bed Instead said:

Rashford got an MBE out if it.

He missed a trick. He should've bunged them a few quid and he might have got a knighthood.

Who would the 'bung' have gone to?

It also appears you think it has happened previously, have you got an example you can cite?

[vonuber]

Although squires is quite apropos this week:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactiv...

[bitchstewie]

vonuber said:

He missed a trick. He should've bunged them a few quid and he might have got a knighthood.

We've had cash for honours before.

[Tuna]

Red 4 said:

Never been to Slough. Is this one of the much fabled rough Southern villages ? What am I missing ?.

John Betjeman had this to say about Slough in 1937

John Betjeman said:

Come friendly bombs and fall on Slough!
It isn't fit for humans now,
There isn't grass to graze a cow.
Swarm over, Death!

Come, bombs and blow to smithereens
Those air -conditioned, bright canteens,
Tinned fruit, tinned meat, tinned milk, tinned beans,
Tinned minds, tinned breath.

Mess up the mess they call a town-
A house for ninety-seven down
And once a week a half a crown
For twenty years.

And get that man with double chin
Who'll always cheat and always win,
Who washes his repulsive skin
In women's tears:

And smash his desk of polished oak
And smash his hands so used to stroke
And stop his boring dirty joke
And make him yell.

But spare the bald young clerks who add
The profits of the stinking cad;
It's not their fault that they are mad,
They've tasted Hell.

It's not their fault they do not know
The birdsong from the radio,
It's not their fault they often go
To Maidenhead

And talk of sport and makes of cars
In various bogus-Tudor bars
And daren't look up and see the stars
But belch instead.

In labour-saving homes, with care
Their wives frizz out peroxide hair
And dry it in synthetic air
And paint their nails.

Come, friendly bombs and fall on Slough
To get it ready for the plough.
The cabbages are coming now;
The earth exhales.

[Crackie]

Red 4 said:

Crackie, my love.

Have you got any graphs which show poverty levels in, say, Burnley for example ?
Any Northern town/ city with a rep for deprivation will do.

I've been to Burnley. I thought I'd seen it all. I hadn't. I still have nightmares.

Unfortunately nothing for Burnley.........

Let me know which other northern towns/cities you think have a rep for deprivation; I'll see what I've got.