Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 5)

[Red 4]

Thanks Tuna. Sounds like a "new" town circa 1937.

From the comments on here I'm guessing it hasn't aged too well.

There are (probably) worse places though. Deprivation is more prevalent in major towns and cities - London, Birmingham and Manchester being the worst I believe.

Anyone got any stats on these places ? If it's localised surely that means it's comparatively easier to identify and deal with ?

PS. I used to work in the town that Z-cars was based on. That was in the 90's and before I moved on to pastures new. It was nothing like Z-cars then and it has only got worse.

[Red 4]

Crackie said:

Red 4 said:

Crackie, my love.

Have you got any graphs which show poverty levels in, say, Burnley for example ?
Any Northern town/ city with a rep for deprivation will do.

I've been to Burnley. I thought I'd seen it all. I hadn't. I still have nightmares.

Unfortunately nothing for Burnley.........

Let me know which other northern towns/cities you think have a rep for deprivation; I'll see what I've got.

OK mate, thanks for looking anyway.

How about Knowsley (Liverpool) ? I'm on my phone and pissing about with my car otherwise I'd look myself.

Cheers.

[turbobloke]

[markyb_lcy]

turbobloke said:

Why don’t you put up which party is in charge and the average cost of a property in these areas then we can at least dispute the point you didn’t even have the good grace to make.

[Carl_Manchester]

Murph7355 said:

I fully agree that people will be struggling. But they should not be struggling to feed their kids.

the £225bn a year social security bill is a testament to try and make sure that does not happen and there is enough money in that pot to solve this problem.

We are not a nation that is shy in spending money on social security.

I would be more than happy to vote for diverting money from inside that budget from pensioners to the young but people seem to want their cake and eat it.

[deadslow]

don'tbesilly said:

vonuber said:

Stay in Bed Instead said:

Rashford got an MBE out if it.

He missed a trick. He should've bunged them a few quid and he might have got a knighthood.

Who would the 'bung' have gone to?

It also appears you think it has happened previously, have you got an example you can cite?

Honest Bob Jenricke can sort anything for £12k

[B'stard Child]

Red 4 said:

Right. I've been thinking. If workhouses aren't the answer how about domestic servitude ?

Someone mentioned sacking their Eastern European minimum wage cleaner earlier and replacing them with a little person. (Benefits include having smaller hands, so it's easier to get into those awkward places and due to the compactness of children, accommodation could be a cupboard rather than "living quarters" etc etc).
There aren't many downsides that I can see TBH.
I think this one has real traction.

Would you be prepared to help out ? Show the little people what a good work ethic really is ?
Just remember to keep the caviar, quails eggs and lobster under lock and key.
We wouldn't want them getting a taste of the good stuff. That could open up a real can of worms (I'm not suggesting you feed them worms, just to be clear, but I'm not completely removing that option either).

I think you need to get better at fishing - you'll not catch anyone with a technique that a obvious as that!

[B'stard Child]

B'stard Child said:

I think you need to get better at fishing - you'll not catch anyone with a technique that a obvious as that!

Thanks guys I was a page or so behind and as I posted that I thought "st - what if he did catch one"!

[IforB]

B'stard Child said:

B'stard Child said:

I think you need to get better at fishing - you'll not catch anyone with a technique that a obvious as that!

Thanks guys I was a page or so behind and as I posted that I thought "st - what if he did catch one"!

Ummm.

Has Sir forgotten his other log in?

[anonymous-user]

IforB said:

B'stard Child said:

B'stard Child said:

I think you need to get better at fishing - you'll not catch anyone with a technique that a obvious as that!

Thanks guys I was a page or so behind and as I posted that I thought "st - what if he did catch one"!

Ummm.

Has Sir forgotten his other log in?

Read it again captain pugwash.

[bitchstewie]

deadslow said:

Honest Bob Jenricke can sort anything for £12k

Maybe Richard Desmond admired him?

Russian donors give money to the Tories because they admire us, says minister Brandon Lewis

[Red 4]

Carl_Manchester said:

Murph7355 said:

I fully agree that people will be struggling. But they should not be struggling to feed their kids.

the £225bn a year social security bill is a testament to try and make sure that does not happen and there is enough money in that pot to solve this problem.

We are not a nation that is shy in spending money on social security.

I would be more than happy to vote for diverting money from inside that budget from pensioners to the young but people seem to want their cake and eat it.

Except for the fact that in excess of £120 billion of that figure is spent on pensioners.

Less than half of your £225 billion is spent on the working age population and children.

The UK State Pension is one of the stingiest in Europe, BTW. I think it's comparable to Turkey, or somewhere.
What do you want to do ? Take money away from an already substandard pension ?
I can't see that being popular somehow.

[B'stard Child]

IforB said:

B'stard Child said:

B'stard Child said:

I think you need to get better at fishing - you'll not catch anyone with a technique that a obvious as that!

Thanks guys I was a page or so behind and as I posted that I thought "st - what if he did catch one"!

Ummm.

Has Sir forgotten his other log in?

Are you obtuse or can you really not see the humour in that?????

And you called everyone else retards!!!!

Ooooh my days!!!!!

[Stay in Bed Instead]

Red 4 said:

Except for the fact that in excess of £120 billion of that figure is spent on pensioners.

Less than half of your £225 billion is spent on the working age population and children.

The UK State Pension is one of the stingiest in Europe, BTW. I think it's comparable to Turkey, or somewhere.
What do you want to do ? Take money away from an already substandard pension ?
I can't see that being popular somehow.

They already are by increasing the SPA.

[B'stard Child]

catweasle said:

Read it again captain pugwash.

Thank you "strangely mixed animal" - at least someone got it

[IforB]

B'stard Child said:

IforB said:

B'stard Child said:

B'stard Child said:

I think you need to get better at fishing - you'll not catch anyone with a technique that a obvious as that!

Thanks guys I was a page or so behind and as I posted that I thought "st - what if he did catch one"!

Ummm.

Has Sir forgotten his other log in?

Are you obtuse or can you really not see the humour in that?????

And you called everyone else retards!!!!

Ooooh my days!!!!!

You know when you have to explain a joke? Yeah. That.

[Red 4]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

Red 4 said:

Except for the fact that in excess of £120 billion of that figure is spent on pensioners.

Less than half of your £225 billion is spent on the working age population and children.

The UK State Pension is one of the stingiest in Europe, BTW. I think it's comparable to Turkey, or somewhere.
What do you want to do ? Take money away from an already substandard pension ?
I can't see that being popular somehow.

They already are by increasing the SPA.

Yep, you're right. There are also more losers than winners under this new "levelling up, everyone gets the same" new State Pension iirc.

For example, my next door neighbour, a former Lieutenant Commander in the Royal Navy gets in excess of £200 per week on his state pension.
Now, he served his time and paid his NI but even if I pay the max in NI, I'm only going to get about £155 (ish).

Seems like progress. Not.

[Carl_Manchester]

Red 4 said:

I can't see that being popular somehow.

No it wouldn’t be and that’s why no government has managed to significantly reduce government spending without burning the country down, its not politically possible.

what is realistic however, is to start prioritising the young over the old and i am hopeful that the pandemic can be used to seize that energy and push it into politics to drive change.

[Red 4]

Carl_Manchester said:

Red 4 said:

I can't see that being popular somehow.

No it wouldn’t be and that’s why no government has managed to significantly reduce government spending without burning the country down, its not politically possible.

what is realistic however, is to start prioritising the young over the old and i am hopeful that the pandemic can be used to seize that energy and push it into politics to drive change.

Why should they prioritise the young over the old ?

Perhaps you missed my point that the UK State Pension is already shi-ite compared to lots of countries but you are still advocating reducing support for pensioners.

SIBI also stated that SPA is increasing anyway, so you're already reducing state pension payments.

I'll wait for the obvious "Yeah, but life expectancy is increasing" nonsense.
I don't think it is, actually.

[deadslow]

bhstewie said:

deadslow said:

Honest Bob Jenricke can sort anything for £12k

Maybe Richard Desmond admired him?

Russian donors give money to the Tories because they admire us, says minister Brandon Lewis

well they are an admirable bunch and are doing unbelievably great things for companies belonging to party donors or companies which have Tory MPs on the board of directors. Bravo!