CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 5)

[Biker 1]

Not-The-Messiah said:

If anyone doesn't think this as now gone to far I don't know what to say. Where a signal text (no evidence) can result in 14days home imprisonment. Where we are shutting down half of our economy, told who we can or can't see including family, it's perverse in a so call free society.

Fair comment. But why not just go under the radar? I read somewhere that only 18%(??) of those required to self isolate actually follow the letter of the law. Have you, or anybody you know, follow all the daft rules, all of the time?

[TellYaWhatItIs]

Sophisticated Sarah said:

There was a terror story regarding Covid in the local papers for the hospital department where my wife works. Completely over exaggerated bks and one of her colleagues stated it as such on the article’s social media page. Immediately she was hounded by someone claiming to work in the department and knowing the reality of what we face and what does she know having not spent time on the front line... except neither my wife nor her colleague know who this woman is. All very bizarre and I’m left wondering how many false accounts have been created on social media to push the agenda.

Metallic hat time....

One would have to assume 77th Brigade are working hard in these challenging times.

2 more weeks, we're in this together. We're gonna circuit break and lockdown our way out of this at all costs, until we have zero covid nevermind all the death and destruction.

[johnboy1975]

Jasandjules said:

johnboy1975 said:

I guess they are freeing capacity because they expect more covid / flu admissions over the next (punchline coming) 2 weeks.

So it is fine is more people die of cancer, heart disease etc as long as no-one dies of CV? I used to think the idea of the NHS was to help people who were ill, how wrong I was.

If that hospital denied cancer treatment because "they only had 2 beds" (which that photo, without context, definately does not prove anyway) then they are bang out of order.

Seeing as they didn't, they're not.

Am I pissed off I can't get my elective surgery? Absolutely. Do I understand why not? Well not really, I cant see there being much call for ophthalmologists during a respiratory pandemic (are they stood down, or making tea on the wards?)

The only context in which lockdowns make sense is if the NHS is about to be overwhelmed.

Any lockdown type supression between April 15th and now, was unnecessary. I've a feeling we are going to be sold something much like a lockdown in the coming weeks

[Terminator X]

danny tattersall said:

fastraxx said:

I seen these freaks a few weeks ago on my visit - about 15 of them together.

I saw the same thing last Friday morning at Manchester airport. It looked like a scene from Ghostbusters. If they are so paranoid you'd think they would all just stay at home.and not venture out.

Now that deserves a

TX.

[Elysium]

Not-The-Messiah said:

Red Devil said:

Elysium said:

I have been criticised in the last for describing the people who pursue lockdowns and endless restrictions as evil.

Well this is evil.

A 104 year old woman denied contact with her family.

She can’t wait till next year.

https://twitter.com/thesun/status/1319274809767956...

I'm not ashamed to admit that had me in tears.

Having screwed up once at the beginning of the year the state now wants to finish off those who are left by depriving them of what matters most.
However good care home staff may be they cannot take the place of your flesh and blood. It's utterly inhumane.

If anyone doesn't think this as now gone to far I don't know what to say. Where a signal text (no evidence) can result in 14days home imprisonment. Where we are shutting down half of our economy, told who we can or can't see including family, it's perverse in a so call free society.

Something like this is just wrong. There is no excuse.

I realise she is at risk from COVID, but she is 104 years old. There is no guarantee she will wake up tomorrow.

Nothing should separate her from her family. Nothing.

[pocty]

Elysium said:

Boringvolvodriver said:

Elysium said:

We really have fked this up haven't we?

Indeed we have - the thing that is really concerning is that so many people out there still think it is what we need to do to stop granny dying. Really not sure when they will wake up and see what is going on - maybe never?

The Scottish comments are extremely concerning in that there is no acceptable level of infections - so that’s it then we are f@@king doomed because the virus will always be around at some level, just like flu.

What will it take for our glorious leaders to work out what they have done and there is no end?

Seriously p%ssed off now so going to go and get p%ssed and try and forget about it all!

The thing is that people will wake up.

Swedens example and the mathematics of this supposed 'second wave' suggest that this could still calm down fairly soon.

If this does fade away, then the people who put us in this terrible position will be exposed.

The old normal is coming back and if I was a politician I would be trying very hard to figure out how to get on the right side of this.

It is too late for Johnson, Hancock, Whitty, Vallance, Sturgeon and Drakeford. Their careers are, quite rightly, almost over. Others will be trying to find a way out.

Elysium, as weeks turn into months we have seen the politicians exposed but as always they hold all the cards. This will end when they say it ends and I'm sure they have even written the history books in their favour.

I really hope you are right but I can't see how they will allow themselves to go to prison.

Pocty

[isaldiri]

Sage document on the viability or lack thereof for vulnerable shielding

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

The open question is that - that group should be taking some steps to protect themselves anyway. And what is the alternative? Magic bullet vaccine that may or may not work for that exact group that needs it most?

[anonymous-user]

Jimboka said:

MDMetal said:

Jasandjules said:

johnboy1975 said:

I guess they are freeing capacity because they expect more covid / flu admissions over the next (punchline coming) 2 weeks.

So it is fine is more people die of cancer, heart disease etc as long as no-one dies of CV? I used to think the idea of the NHS was to help people who were ill, how wrong I was.

I think this was obvious from about week 6 of lockdown...

It’s not black & white
The NHS are still up & running
Wife had an operation in April to remove a lump
A good friend had a kidney removed in a June + chemo since
Mother spent a month in hospital after a stroke mid August
To say they are not helping, is incorrect

I think it depends on where you live. Some areas are OK, others not so much.

[Not-The-Messiah]

Biker 1 said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

If anyone doesn't think this as now gone to far I don't know what to say. Where a signal text (no evidence) can result in 14days home imprisonment. Where we are shutting down half of our economy, told who we can or can't see including family, it's perverse in a so call free society.

Fair comment. But why not just go under the radar? I read somewhere that only 18%(??) of those required to self isolate actually follow the letter of the law. Have you, or anybody you know, follow all the daft rules, all of the time?

I've not followed hardly any of the rules, I have just spent all week at home only because I actually had the thing which I didn't have a problem with. I'm pissed when I'm allowed back out all the pubs are shut.

[EddieSteadyGo]

Not-The-Messiah said:

I've not followed hardly any of the rules, I have just spent all week at home only because I actually had the thing which I didn't have a problem with. I'm pissed when I'm allowed back out all the pubs are shut.

Do you know who you caught it from and how?

[S1KRR]

smashing said:

Yes we have.

My firm is pushing the mental well being angle very hard right now after a number of incidences recently, it's getting really tough out there.

My employer have just appointed a series of what I'll call "Mental health champions"

People that you can talk to if you are feeling that your mental health is talking a bit of a dive. I only know 1 of the approx. 10, and she's lovely and all. But I very much doubt I want to talk to her about anything serious. I can genuinely imagine her advice would be "just be happier" or "have you thought about going for a run"

And of course the company have given next to fk all advice to them on how to deal with this. So they'll be winging it at best. And are expected to pretty much just give an email address to a qualified actual psychiatrist for the person to contact.

But, "Aren't we clever in showing how much we care about our employees. Now get back to work you workshy maggots"

[B'stard Child]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

I've not followed hardly any of the rules, I have just spent all week at home only because I actually had the thing which I didn't have a problem with. I'm pissed when I'm allowed back out all the pubs are shut.

Do you know who you caught it from and how?

Well we can be very sure it wasn’t after 10pm

[anonymous-user]

isaldiri said:

That would explain why Drakeford (Labour) and Sturgeon (SNP) have enforced far more wide reaching measures than those evil tories in England right....?

Being an idiot isn't just a tory thing. So you agree with the pigeon stool act of doom mongering that funnily enough led to the extreme measures?

[S1KRR]

tedman said:

It’s amazing how much social media had changed over the past decade. From connecting with old friends and sharing photos to being spammed by adverts, people’s stupid idiotic opinions and fed whatever narrative the darker realms of politics wishes to disseminate.

A modern day Lord of the Flies...

[smashing]

S1KRR said:

smashing said:

Yes we have.

My firm is pushing the mental well being angle very hard right now after a number of incidences recently, it's getting really tough out there.

My employer have just appointed a series of what I'll call "Mental health champions"

People that you can talk to if you are feeling that your mental health is talking a bit of a dive. I only know 1 of the approx. 10, and she's lovely and all. But I very much doubt I want to talk to her about anything serious. I can genuinely imagine her advice would be "just be happier" or "have you thought about going for a run"

And of course the company have given next to fk all advice to them on how to deal with this. So they'll be winging it at best. And are expected to pretty much just give an email address to a qualified actual psychiatrist for the person to contact.

But, "Aren't we clever in showing how much we care about our employees. Now get back to work you workshy maggots"

Tbf to my lot we do have access to actual support if needed from a third party provider and like I said it's being pushed quite a lot.

[rich888]

I can't keep up with all the replies on here so apologies if this Youtube video has already been posted:

Superb debate on lockdown ideology versus scientific approach with a stunning performance by Professor of Pathology & former NHS Consultant Pathologist John A Lee, who isn't suffering any of this crap that we are being fed by Government and tells it as it is. I wish he could be put up against the likes of SAGE members or Johno & Cock instead of the limp-wristed national press because he would trounce the lot of them.

Bl**dy awesome:

[MDMetal]

smashing said:

S1KRR said:

smashing said:

Yes we have.

My firm is pushing the mental well being angle very hard right now after a number of incidences recently, it's getting really tough out there.

My employer have just appointed a series of what I'll call "Mental health champions"

People that you can talk to if you are feeling that your mental health is talking a bit of a dive. I only know 1 of the approx. 10, and she's lovely and all. But I very much doubt I want to talk to her about anything serious. I can genuinely imagine her advice would be "just be happier" or "have you thought about going for a run"

And of course the company have given next to fk all advice to them on how to deal with this. So they'll be winging it at best. And are expected to pretty much just give an email address to a qualified actual psychiatrist for the person to contact.

But, "Aren't we clever in showing how much we care about our employees. Now get back to work you workshy maggots"

Tbf to my lot we do have access to actual support if needed from a third party provider and like I said it's being pushed quite a lot.

The modern hubris that anything can be sorted, a virus just needs a vaccine and some lockdowns, the economy can be stopped and started like a car, mental health just needs a good chat. We're at the dangerous point we think we can do almost anything but in reality were just past being cowboys in the desert

[RSbandit]

Saw that segment earlier John Lee was excellent, the guy from Trinity College was not...least there was some open debate long overdue.

[irc]

MDMetal said:

The modern hubris that anything can be sorted, a virus just needs a vaccine and some lockdowns, the economy can be stopped and started like a car, mental health just needs a good chat. We're at the dangerous point we think we can do almost anything but in reality were just past being cowboys in the desert

It's like the Aztecs sacrificing a few Virgins to make sure the rains return. "Look it's raining, it worked!"

After the virus runs it's course, as it will, just like Sweden, Bojo, Krankie, and the rest will pat themselves on the back and tell us lockdown worked.

[rich888]

RSbandit said:

Saw that segment earlier John Lee was excellent, the guy from Trinity College was not...least there was some open debate long overdue.

Haha, he wasn't taking any prisoners was he, though came across spot on with his comments, you could see the other guy was cringing and struggling to read the autocue or his notes, whereas John Lee just steamrollered over him. You can tell when someone actually knows what they are talking about compared to the normal political bullst we are being continually fed.