CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 5)

[pocty]

The Spruce Goose said:

pocty said:

It still amazes me how many people still don't know how harmful the flu jab is.

Go on then how harmful is a flu jab?

I suggest you ask or ring up care homes like I did.

Pocty

[isaldiri]

pneumothorax said:

Yep, Boris was treated (supported really) with NIV (non invasive ventilation) as were many of my Patients, they often had bipap or simply 02 via a mask.

ICU has many other tricks though. 02 supply is just one of them, It's the ability the environment gives you to really monitor Patients closely that saves lives, it means that you can make fairly dramatic medical interventions and see if they work or not, but almost as importantly, that the treatment can be tolerated, ie it's not worse than the disease.

Also, it's not (in most hospitals) a binary choice re general ward or ITU,

Most places have a HDU (high dependency unit) as a place in between. the two levels of care.

Yes but the ICNARC report includes HDU as well (I just checked) as it's defined as critical care where you do as you say get the additional monitoring.

A further quick look though on the most recent report seems to suggest broadly a similar % of deaths even now (314 since 1st September to 22nd Oct) so around 10% of deaths since the 1st of September and not hugely out of line to earlier. So whatever the reason, most people that do end up keeling over don't do so in critical care conditions. Still find it odd personally but perhaps just me.

[anonymous-user]

pocty said:

I suggest you ask or ring up care homes like I did.

Pocty

What you rang up care homes and asked how many died after a flu jab, and came to a conclusion flu jabs kill....Sorry that sounds absolutely moronic. A flu jab is well proven and tested defence at reducing flu illnesses and deaths.

[Pesty]

garyhun said:

Why are the people of Wales accepting this st? Are people seriously following the rules’ no matter what?

It just beggars belief.

Because just like with SJW issues, it’s not just the police and the media against free thinking people there is an army of virtuous Karen’s ready to call you a murderer.

The media and government has created an army of warriors ready to do their bidding.

[pocty]

Elysium said:

I am going to post an article from this morning again, because I think it has been missed and it is quite extraordinary.

Sweden has just recorded its lowest ever all cause death toll for Sept:

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/10/24/how-dead...

Its not just that they have no excess deaths. Less people died in Sweden last month than in any previous year.

They have no mask mandates and nothing even remotely close to our lockdown.

It does not look as if October is going to be any different:

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explor...

But hey .. lets continue to ignore them.

Shhhhh don't mention Sweden.

Pocty

[Alucidnation]

Pesty said:

garyhun said:

Why are the people of Wales accepting this st? Are people seriously following the rules’ no matter what?

It just beggars belief.

Because just like with SJW issues, it’s not just the police and the media against free thinking people there is an army of virtuous Karen’s ready to call you a murderer.

The media and government has created an army of warriors ready to do their bidding.

Or, people are trying to help in any way they can, and if that means a few restrictions for a short time, then so be it.

[pocty]

The Spruce Goose said:

pocty said:

I suggest you ask or ring up care homes like I did.

Pocty

What you rang up care homes and asked how many died after a flu jab, and came to a conclusion flu jabs kill....Sorry that sounds absolutely moronic. A flu jab is well proven and tested defence at reducing flu illnesses and deaths.

No sorry matey I rang up my friend who is a manager of a care home... I was interested in the whole Covid Care Home thing.

She also told me what was happening to care homes back in April. Basically a old person in a care home would have a fall as they normally do, then get sent to hospital, catch Covid in hospital and then get sent back to the care home even though the hospital knew the old person caught Covid there. As you can guess once there Covid spread like wild fire...But now you must know know this anyway.

I posted this back then...have a look if you don't believe me.

Pocty

[Taylor James]

I can confirm what Pocty and Tonker have just related regarding care homes.

[pocty]

anonymous said:

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Yes you are correct the Care Homes knew but had no choice but to take them back...What could they do say no and leave them on the streets.

The whole thing is disgraceful, and this government still to this day as far as I can tell stood up and admitted the facts, even though its common knowledge.

Pocty

[irc]

anonymous said:

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It is fairly public knowledge in many cases. For example Crosslet House Care Home, Dumbarton. 15 dead. Capacity 84. 18% death rate by April. Castle View Care Home, Dumbarton. 8 deaths, 60 capacity. 13%

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-wes...

https://www.carehome.co.uk/carehome.cfm/searchazre...

https://news.stv.tv/west-central/care-home-confirm...

https://www.hc-one.co.uk/Carehomes/Castle-View.asp...

Going by news reports it seems once a care home got a Covid outbreak the casualty rate was between 10 and 20%.

[ChocolateFrog]

Just got to the pub. Can't just order a drink. Can't order a starter or side, it has to be a main meal.

Just mental. How does Covid know the difference between cheesy dough balls (not allowed) and fish finger sandwich (allowed)?

[anonymous-user]

pocty said:

No sorry matey I rang up my friend who is a manager of a care home... I was interested in the whole Covid Care Home thing.

She also told me what was happening to care homes back in April. Basically a old person in a care home would have a fall as they normally do, then get sent to hospital, catch Covid in hospital and then get sent back to the care home even though the hospital knew the old person caught Covid there. As you can guess once there Covid spread like wild fire...But now you must know know this anyway.

I posted this back then...have a look if you don't believe me.

Pocty

What has that got to do with Flu Jabs killing older people?

Jam Roly Poly.

[ChocolateFrog]

irc said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

It is fairly public knowledge in many cases. For example Crosslet House Care Home, Dumbarton. 15 dead. Capacity 84. 18% death rate by April. Castle View Care Home, Dumbarton. 8 deaths, 60 capacity. 13%

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-wes...

https://www.carehome.co.uk/carehome.cfm/searchazre...

https://news.stv.tv/west-central/care-home-confirm...

https://www.hc-one.co.uk/Carehomes/Castle-View.asp...

Going by news reports it seems once a care home got a Covid outbreak the casualty rate was between 10 and 20%.

Leave a door open in September and the death rate is probably measurable in some of these places.

What's the average stay for a resident? 4-6 months?

Dead men walking, when they're not bed bound.

[Carl_Manchester]

ChocolateFrog said:

Just got to the pub. Can't just order a drink. Can't order a starter or side, it has to be a main meal.

Just mental. How does Covid know the difference between cheesy dough balls (not allowed) and fish finger sandwich (allowed)?

Moodie Veggie vs. Positive Happy Pescatarian ?

[Elysium]

Another attack on Hancock in The Daily Mail. This time from Sir Rocco Forte:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8875823...

Retribution is coming.

[anonymous-user]

Elysium said:

Another attack on Hancock in The Daily Mail. This time from Sir Rocco Forte:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8875823...

Retribution is coming.

to kill the snake you start at the head.

[HoHoHo]

Elysium said:

Another attack on Hancock in The Daily Mail. This time from Sir Rocco Forte:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8875823...

Retribution is coming.

[pocty]

The Spruce Goose said:

Elysium said:

Another attack on Hancock in The Daily Mail. This time from Sir Rocco Forte:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8875823...

Retribution is coming.

to kill the snake you start at the head.

Lets hope Hancock takes a few more bricks out of the governments dam with him.

Pocty

[Thin White Duke]

ChocolateFrog said:

Just got to the pub. Can't just order a drink. Can't order a starter or side, it has to be a main meal.

Just mental. How does Covid know the difference between cheesy dough balls (not allowed) and fish finger sandwich (allowed)?

I thought pubs were able to serve "substantial meals?" I would take that to mean if you are having a main preceded by a starter and followed by dessert, that would be perfectly fine, as you're having a full meal.

Perhaps the pub in question is taking the rule to an extreme.

[21st Century Man]

Just order a main meal and leave it on the table untouched if you don't actually want food. Then settle in and have a few drinks, that's what I'd do (although I'd probably eat it anyway, even if I've already eaten).