CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 5)

[EddieSteadyGo]

Interesting new video by Farage arguing for a better balance between the risks of covid vs the damage being caused to other aspects of public health.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7osvIF98RLo

[EddieSteadyGo]

Thin White Duke said:

Perhaps the pub in question is taking the rule to an extreme.

The threat of a £10,000 fine and losing their license is likely to be encouraging a "risk adverse" approach in many pubs I'd have thought.

[Thin White Duke]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Interesting new video by Farage arguing for a better balance between the risks of covid vs the damage being caused to other aspects of public health.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7osvIF98RLo

I wondered back in the summer why Farage hadn't got stuck into this. I guess he was waiting for public mood to start swinging against the actions taken.

[Not-The-Messiah]

Thin White Duke said:

ChocolateFrog said:

Just got to the pub. Can't just order a drink. Can't order a starter or side, it has to be a main meal.

Just mental. How does Covid know the difference between cheesy dough balls (not allowed) and fish finger sandwich (allowed)?

I thought pubs were able to serve "substantial meals?" I would take that to mean if you are having a main preceded by a starter and followed by dessert, that would be perfectly fine, as you having a full meal.

Perhaps the pub in question is taking the rule to an extreme.

Been to a couple of pubs over the weekend both was sort of willing to slightly bend the rules letting you just order a beef sandwich, or a few table snacks like chicken wings as long as you ordered a few of them.
I would say people are going to end fat sods if everytime you had to buy a meal if you want a pint. But I just don't think it's going to work for most of the places they are all dead with no atmosphere. I just can't see many staying open.

[irc]

ChocolateFrog said:

Leave a door open in September and the death rate is probably measurable in some of these places.

What's the average stay for a resident? 4-6 months?

Dead men walking, when they're not bed bound.

26 months in normal times.

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written...

[djohnson]

ORD said:

The vaccine isn’t coming any time soon and will be largely pointless even when it does. This is all there in the fine print.

The effectiveness of the vaccine doesn’t matter, so long as we get some sort of vaccine out there. This hasn’t been about medical issues for some months now. A vaccine which had some but not much impact is enough of a basis for the government to drop the current nonsense, whilst still delivering the true objective of protecting their position. Doing this is less of a distortion of the truth than they’ve employed thus far.

[Boringvolvodriver]

djohnson said:

The effectiveness of the vaccine doesn’t matter, so long as we get some sort of vaccine out there. This hasn’t been about medical issues for some months now. A vaccine which had some but not much impact is enough of a basis for the government to drop the current nonsense, whilst still delivering the true objective of protecting their position. Doing this is less of a distortion of the truth than they’ve employed thus far.

My concern about a vaccine is how much daily life will be open to you unless you have had the vaccine. The covid pass scheme concerns me as I have no desire to have a vaccine which has been rushed through.

As an example, will you have to have the vaccine to go into large gatherings such as football matches or for travel on public transport?

[V1nce Fox]

i may have pinned my colours to the mast before, but for the avoidance of doubt i’d he happy to repeatedly kick hancock in the balls til i ran out of breath. and my cardio ain’t bad.

[djohnson]

Boringvolvodriver said:

djohnson said:

The effectiveness of the vaccine doesn’t matter, so long as we get some sort of vaccine out there. This hasn’t been about medical issues for some months now. A vaccine which had some but not much impact is enough of a basis for the government to drop the current nonsense, whilst still delivering the true objective of protecting their position. Doing this is less of a distortion of the truth than they’ve employed thus far.

My concern about a vaccine is how much daily life will be open to you unless you have had the vaccine. The covid pass scheme concerns me as I have no desire to have a vaccine which has been rushed through.

As an example, will you have to have the vaccine to go into large gatherings such as football matches or for travel on public transport?

That’s a good point.

[320d is all you need]

djohnson said:

ORD said:

The vaccine isn’t coming any time soon and will be largely pointless even when it does. This is all there in the fine print.

The effectiveness of the vaccine doesn’t matter, so long as we get some sort of vaccine out there. This hasn’t been about medical issues for some months now. A vaccine which had some but not much impact is enough of a basis for the government to drop the current nonsense, whilst still delivering the true objective of protecting their position. Doing this is less of a distortion of the truth than they’ve employed thus far.

Question is of safety

If :

1) The vaccine manufacturers are not subject to any legal ramification for any mistakes
2) The Government is exempt from any legal ramifications for any mistakes
3) The vaccine can be administered by non trained personnel
4) The vaccine may or may not be mandatory (??)

It's really opening pandora's box.

I will not be having any vaccine for Coronavirus.

[djohnson]

V1nce Fox said:

i may have pinned my colours to the mast before, but for the avoidance of doubt i’d he happy to repeatedly kick hancock in the balls til i ran out of breath. and my cardio ain’t bad.

My cardio isn’t too shabby either, once you tired I’d be happy to step in, just until you recovered

[ChocolateFrog]

irc said:

ChocolateFrog said:

Leave a door open in September and the death rate is probably measurable in some of these places.

What's the average stay for a resident? 4-6 months?

Dead men walking, when they're not bed bound.

26 months in normal times.

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written...

So about £200k per person in fees.

No wonder nursing home owners are kicking up a fuss.

[ChocolateFrog]

I wasn't hungry.

Was under the impression you could have a soft drink and it was just alcohol that required a meal?

[djohnson]

320d is all you need said:

Question is of safety

If :

1) The vaccine manufacturers are not subject to any legal ramification for any mistakes
2) The Government is exempt from any legal ramifications for any mistakes
3) The vaccine can be administered by non trained personnel
4) The vaccine may or may not be mandatory (??)

It's really opening pandora's box.

I will not be having any vaccine for Coronavirus.

We surely wouldn’t be in a position whereby the developers and / or manufacturers of a vaccine had no accountability for its effects? If those who develop and make it won’t stand behind it then you’d be nuts to take it unless it was an absolute last chance, which for 99.9% of people it won’t be.

[stevensdrs]

Boringvolvodriver said:

djohnson said:

The effectiveness of the vaccine doesn’t matter, so long as we get some sort of vaccine out there. This hasn’t been about medical issues for some months now. A vaccine which had some but not much impact is enough of a basis for the government to drop the current nonsense, whilst still delivering the true objective of protecting their position. Doing this is less of a distortion of the truth than they’ve employed thus far.

My concern about a vaccine is how much daily life will be open to you unless you have had the vaccine. The covid pass scheme concerns me as I have no desire to have a vaccine which has been rushed through.

As an example, will you have to have the vaccine to go into large gatherings such as football matches or for travel on public transport?

A Covid pass would just be an identity card brought in through the back door.

[21st Century Man]

320d is all you need said:

I will not be having any vaccine for Coronavirus.

Ordinarily this would be my stance too, and I'm no antivaxxer. However I can imagine that I'll be forced to take it in order to travel. I haven't seen my boy since last year and I'm planning to see him next year (he's in Japan, which is currently closed to visitors).

[BurtonLazars]

stevensdrs said:

A Covid pass would just be an identity card brought in through the back door.

Gosh. I’d better start practicing. Not sure I could do that without.

[powerstroke]

djohnson said:

V1nce Fox said:

i may have pinned my colours to the mast before, but for the avoidance of doubt i’d he happy to repeatedly kick hancock in the balls til i ran out of breath. and my cardio ain’t bad.

My cardio isn’t too shabby either, once you tired I’d be happy to step in, just until you recovered

Hopefully you would still have something leftover to give Witty and the other bellend that
are making up graphs and facts a good shoeing too ,
Cockhand is just following those cretins lead like a performing seal ....

[320d is all you need]

djohnson said:

320d is all you need said:

Question is of safety

If :

1) The vaccine manufacturers are not subject to any legal ramification for any mistakes
2) The Government is exempt from any legal ramifications for any mistakes
3) The vaccine can be administered by non trained personnel
4) The vaccine may or may not be mandatory (??)

It's really opening pandora's box.

I will not be having any vaccine for Coronavirus.

We surely wouldn’t be in a position whereby the developers and / or manufacturers of a vaccine had no accountability for its effects? If those who develop and make it won’t stand behind it then you’d be nuts to take it unless it was an absolute last chance, which for 99.9% of people it won’t be.

Last time I read, Governments made vaccine manufacturers immune from issues which arise from the vaccine.

As well as it being administered by non-medically trained specifically.

[johnboy1975]

powerstroke said:

djohnson said:

V1nce Fox said:

i may have pinned my colours to the mast before, but for the avoidance of doubt i’d he happy to repeatedly kick hancock in the balls til i ran out of breath. and my cardio ain’t bad.

My cardio isn’t too shabby either, once you tired I’d be happy to step in, just until you recovered

Hopefully you would still have something leftover to give Witty and the other bellend that
are making up graphs and facts a good shoeing too ,
Cockhand is just following those cretins lead like a performing seal ....

Is Hancock incompetent? Or malicious? I'm kinda on the fence as being deliberately malicious makes no sense. On the other hand, if its incompetence, he could do a couple of hours research and be in a better place to deal with covid than he is currently....