CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 5)
Discussion
usn90 said:
I just don’t understand the point of a full lockdown but keeping schools open, all the sacrifice aspects of the lockdown itself is immediately undone the second the school gates open each morning.
You have to seriously question the motives of those in charge when they come up with such decisions.
Logic doesn’t mean anything. It’s what Twitter and focus groups demand that drives the government at the moment. There is no leadership just a desire to be seen as doing what is popular. Hence why school dinners will be free for everyone in 2 weeks time. You have to seriously question the motives of those in charge when they come up with such decisions.
isaldiri said:
Funnily enough it's practically every equity market that is 'dive bombing' as you put it. Stop being such an economic karen - it's as daft as the bloody covid karens that drone on about the deadly disease and how much we need to fear it.
The difference is that FTSE never recovered from the actual epidemic, so it’s dive bombing from an already low position. The markets are telling us what they think of the U.K., and it’s all bad news.It’s beyond stupid to be anything but extremely concerned about the economic damage that is being done. It’s 10-100 times worse than the threat posed by the disease itself.
ORD said:
isaldiri said:
Funnily enough it's practically every equity market that is 'dive bombing' as you put it. Stop being such an economic karen - it's as daft as the bloody covid karens that drone on about the deadly disease and how much we need to fear it.
The difference is that FTSE never recovered from the actual epidemic, so it’s dive bombing from an already low position. The markets are telling us what they think of the U.K., and it’s all bad news.It’s beyond stupid to be anything but extremely concerned about the economic damage that is being done. It’s 10-100 times worse than the threat posed by the disease itself.
No large tech/fangs no recovery in stock markets - that's the difference between the US and elsewhere. Get a bloody grip for goodness sake.
Elysium said:
Boringvolvodriver said:
And France are now going into a second national lockdown from Friday. Deaths are running at 500 a day apparently.
Place your bets guys on when we will enter our 2nd national lockdown........
I am going for 5pm on Friday 13 November.
Edited to add
“cant have the French doing something we are not” says Johnson to his cabinet of idiots
And God help us all. Place your bets guys on when we will enter our 2nd national lockdown........
I am going for 5pm on Friday 13 November.
Edited to add
“cant have the French doing something we are not” says Johnson to his cabinet of idiots
I keep thinking about Sumptions speech. The Govt are not idiots, they simply do not care.
The removal of our rights was cynical and everyone embraced it with open arms.
Our democracy and our way of life surrendered at the first sign of danger.
Resist.
It's easy to criticise, and it's easy for people like Sumption to make speeches about rights, democracy and way of life, safe in the knowledge that they almost certainly have access to private healthcare should it become necessary.
I appreciate that there is a difference between countries - and even between regions within countries. I'm posting this from a region in Belgium where the total ICU capacity will be over-run within 6 days.
What does this mean in reality?
True ICU in our hospitals is already at full capacity. They are now filling up wards which have been repurposed with Covid patients. Our local hospital has built extra capacity on the car park, but they are struggling to staff it.
IF the trend continues for another 6 days, stark choices will have to be made - literally who gets treated and who doesn't - and it's not just the elderly and infirm who are struggling - more than half of the ICU beds are under 50's.
the madness continues
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamsh...
Alcohol cannot be sold after 21:00 GMT in shops, but can be sold until 22:00 if bought "in hospitality venues where accompanying a substantial meal".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamsh...
Alcohol cannot be sold after 21:00 GMT in shops, but can be sold until 22:00 if bought "in hospitality venues where accompanying a substantial meal".
sunbeam alpine said:
.......(snip)....... in Belgium where the total ICU capacity will be over-run within 6 days.
What does this mean in reality?
True ICU in our hospitals is already at full capacity. They are now filling up wards which have been repurposed with Covid patients. Our local hospital has built extra capacity on the car park, but they are struggling to staff it.
IF the trend continues for another 6 days, stark choices will have to be made - literally who gets treated and who doesn't - and it's not just the elderly and infirm who are struggling - more than half of the ICU beds are under 50's.
With covid?What does this mean in reality?
True ICU in our hospitals is already at full capacity. They are now filling up wards which have been repurposed with Covid patients. Our local hospital has built extra capacity on the car park, but they are struggling to staff it.
IF the trend continues for another 6 days, stark choices will have to be made - literally who gets treated and who doesn't - and it's not just the elderly and infirm who are struggling - more than half of the ICU beds are under 50's.
johnboy1975 said:
sunbeam alpine said:
.......(snip)....... in Belgium where the total ICU capacity will be over-run within 6 days.
What does this mean in reality?
True ICU in our hospitals is already at full capacity. They are now filling up wards which have been repurposed with Covid patients. Our local hospital has built extra capacity on the car park, but they are struggling to staff it.
IF the trend continues for another 6 days, stark choices will have to be made - literally who gets treated and who doesn't - and it's not just the elderly and infirm who are struggling - more than half of the ICU beds are under 50's.
With covid?What does this mean in reality?
True ICU in our hospitals is already at full capacity. They are now filling up wards which have been repurposed with Covid patients. Our local hospital has built extra capacity on the car park, but they are struggling to staff it.
IF the trend continues for another 6 days, stark choices will have to be made - literally who gets treated and who doesn't - and it's not just the elderly and infirm who are struggling - more than half of the ICU beds are under 50's.
If so, yes. Bizarrely this time it seems to be hitting younger people harder. There have been 2 80-plussers from our village who have come out of hospital this week having beaten Covid.
Edited by sunbeam alpine on Wednesday 28th October 20:50
Elysium said:
And God help us all.
I keep thinking about Sumptions speech. The Govt are not idiots, they simply do not care.
The removal of our rights was cynical and everyone embraced it with open arms.
Our democracy and our way of life surrendered at the first sign of danger.
Resist.
I've been clinging to the less disturbing option that the government are idiots. Sumption's speech put paid to that. You are right. This is a cynical removal of our rights, our freedoms, and I've had enough. I keep thinking about Sumptions speech. The Govt are not idiots, they simply do not care.
The removal of our rights was cynical and everyone embraced it with open arms.
Our democracy and our way of life surrendered at the first sign of danger.
Resist.
isaldiri said:
What and all the European indices recovered but not the ftse? Only the FTSE got dumped today?
No large tech/fangs no recovery in stock markets - that's the difference between the US and elsewhere. Get a bloody grip for goodness sake.
If you can’t see that FTSE has fared much worse than other indexes, you’re not looking very hard. No large tech/fangs no recovery in stock markets - that's the difference between the US and elsewhere. Get a bloody grip for goodness sake.
Anyone who is sanguine about the economic state of this country is deluded. Nothing short of fingers in ears. We are in for decades of lost growth.
sunbeam alpine said:
Is that a serious question?
It’s a reasonable one. What % of beds would normally be occupied at this time of year and what % of them would be occupied by under 50’s? No doubt covid is causing problems for healthcare systems the world over but when government like ours start getting hysterical about how busy ICU’s are when their occupancy is fairly normal for this time of year they invite cynicism about the motive behind highlighting such stats.France said without a lockdown there will be 400k deaths.
That to me sounds impossible. 60-70% HiT. (herd immunity threshold)
A study from June, based on seroprevalence data from Geneva, Switzerland, estimates an IFR of 0.6% for the total population, and an IFR of 5.6% for people aged 65 and older.
13.2 million over 65
But herd immunity would be 60-70%.
So Hit is around 8 million.
5.6% of this is around 45k dead.
So have i missed something here, yes I concentrated on over 65 but they are the most susceptible, that is undeniable?
That to me sounds impossible. 60-70% HiT. (herd immunity threshold)
A study from June, based on seroprevalence data from Geneva, Switzerland, estimates an IFR of 0.6% for the total population, and an IFR of 5.6% for people aged 65 and older.
13.2 million over 65
But herd immunity would be 60-70%.
So Hit is around 8 million.
5.6% of this is around 45k dead.
So have i missed something here, yes I concentrated on over 65 but they are the most susceptible, that is undeniable?
The Spruce Goose said:
France said without a lockdown there will be 400k deaths.
That to me sounds impossible. 60-70% HiT. (herd immunity threshold)
A study from June, based on seroprevalence data from Geneva, Switzerland, estimates an IFR of 0.6% for the total population, and an IFR of 5.6% for people aged 65 and older.
13.2 million over 65
But herd immunity would be 60-70%.
So Hit is around 8 million.
5.6% of this is around 45k dead.
So have i missed something here, yes I concentrated on over 65 but they are the most susceptible, that is undeniable?
Using fear to get people to comply.That to me sounds impossible. 60-70% HiT. (herd immunity threshold)
A study from June, based on seroprevalence data from Geneva, Switzerland, estimates an IFR of 0.6% for the total population, and an IFR of 5.6% for people aged 65 and older.
13.2 million over 65
But herd immunity would be 60-70%.
So Hit is around 8 million.
5.6% of this is around 45k dead.
So have i missed something here, yes I concentrated on over 65 but they are the most susceptible, that is undeniable?
fastraxx said:
The Spruce Goose said:
France said without a lockdown there will be 400k deaths.
That to me sounds impossible. 60-70% HiT. (herd immunity threshold)
A study from June, based on seroprevalence data from Geneva, Switzerland, estimates an IFR of 0.6% for the total population, and an IFR of 5.6% for people aged 65 and older.
13.2 million over 65
But herd immunity would be 60-70%.
So Hit is around 8 million.
5.6% of this is around 45k dead.
So have i missed something here, yes I concentrated on over 65 but they are the most susceptible, that is undeniable?
Using fear to get people to comply.That to me sounds impossible. 60-70% HiT. (herd immunity threshold)
A study from June, based on seroprevalence data from Geneva, Switzerland, estimates an IFR of 0.6% for the total population, and an IFR of 5.6% for people aged 65 and older.
13.2 million over 65
But herd immunity would be 60-70%.
So Hit is around 8 million.
5.6% of this is around 45k dead.
So have i missed something here, yes I concentrated on over 65 but they are the most susceptible, that is undeniable?
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