CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 5)
Discussion
TheDrBrian said:
Anyway on to more positive news
25.5% of 18-24 year olds in America seriously considered suicide in June.
I’m sure it’s worth it.
Jesus Christ. 25.5% of 18-24 year olds in America seriously considered suicide in June.
I’m sure it’s worth it.
It seems all the talk on mental health the last few years were just empty words, pointless virtue signalling. When push comes to shove a significant proportion of the population are cowardly and selfish. They want a lockdown on the off chance that it provides them with extra protection from a nothing burger virus at the expense of everybodys way of life.
ORD said:
Back on topic, ‘cases’ rising doesn’t concern me at all. There’s no other way out of this. We have to remember how to be courageous and show some backbone. We used to be a very proud and impressive people.
My thinking. I know cases can slightly increase deaths/hospitalisations, but overall it is a meaningless statistic to me. Deaths (obviously) and hospital attendance due to covid (not just 'with it') are the main parameters to me.paulw123 said:
Yet more obsession with lockdowns on the news this morning. No thoughts of an end game. Lockdowns are totally unsustainable and with education being unaffected are totally pointless
In March Italy, France and Spain did the equivalent of shouting ‘fire’ in a crowded theatre and we stampeded. Our Govt have fed us relentless death statistics for COVID in a deliberate propaganda campaign, to keep us cowering in fear for the last 7 months. People were just starting to wake up, but I am dismayed by the speed with which they are once again again putting fear over logic.
The first lockdowns, unfortunately, gave some very misguided people the illusion of control. The rational position in May was to realise COVID was less deadly than feared and that we could coexist with it. Unfortunately, these people became convinced we could crush it and avoid all COVID deaths.
All of our thoughts about controlling this are dangerous daydreams. We need to act like adults, accept it, take reasonable steps to mitigate it and stop this endless despairing handwringing.
The only certainty in life is that we are all going to die of something. In the meantime, let’s live.
We understood this in the 60’s:
https://youtu.be/LCRZZC-DH7M
scrubchub said:
JagLover said:
V1nce Fox said:
i’m going to take s
t for saying this but imho closing schools should be one of the last resorts. the damage there already is pretty bad.
You are completely correct.t for saying this but imho closing schools should be one of the last resorts. the damage there already is pretty bad. A society that would sacrifice its children's future, in a foolish and futile attempt to prevent the very elderly from passing away naturally, has lost is bearings.
Alucidnation said:
Sorry to be the voice of reason.
Why do you think we have vaccines for Flu every year?
H.I. isn't really working for that has it?
ETA: Apologies, it's in the other thread, so easy to forget where things get posted in this pandemic of Covid threads.
Edited by king arthur on Thursday 29th October 09:17
johnboy1975 said:
Are you saying 300 / 400 / 500 deaths a day all winter? 
Won't infections peak shortly, followed by deaths in about 2 weeks time?
250-300 seems entirely possible. That would be a doubling of the last reported weekly (16 Oct) ons reported for deaths per day. Not sure about 'all winter' though and 400/500 sounds too high...for now.Won't infections peak shortly, followed by deaths in about 2 weeks time?
EddieSteadyGo said:
On the vaccine, I am wondering if there is a case to offer vaccinations to be over 70's before the Phase III trial is completed.
We know it should be safe, and we know it looks to be safe, so far. So I wouldn't advocate offering it to a healthy 30 year old, but considering the IFR is so high if you are over 80 for example, maybe the small risk of the vaccine is lower than the larger risk of catching covid?
Most over 70s or even 80s still survive. Surely the better option is for them simply to avoid circumstances that they might get covid than subject them Russia style to a vaccine that hasn't completed phase 3.We know it should be safe, and we know it looks to be safe, so far. So I wouldn't advocate offering it to a healthy 30 year old, but considering the IFR is so high if you are over 80 for example, maybe the small risk of the vaccine is lower than the larger risk of catching covid?
God forbid they close the school's again. The last closure turned my lovable yet hormone ridden 14 year old into an utter monster.
We have even bankrupted ourselves to move him from his awful State school to a lovely little private one.
First half term was very hard trying to get him into school just for a few days a week.
If that closes he'll be a lost cause.
I have another son, just turned 18 who has autism and other problems. Help has been non existent since Covid so we have had to pay out for private as well.
Then I have a daughter just settled at Uni who does not want to have to move back home. Why should she, she has started her new life.
We have even bankrupted ourselves to move him from his awful State school to a lovely little private one.
First half term was very hard trying to get him into school just for a few days a week.
If that closes he'll be a lost cause.
I have another son, just turned 18 who has autism and other problems. Help has been non existent since Covid so we have had to pay out for private as well.
Then I have a daughter just settled at Uni who does not want to have to move back home. Why should she, she has started her new life.
EddieSteadyGo said:
the-photographer said:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/scientists-hope...
Oxford has lost its lead in the race, however great news if it happens
The government believes that a German vaccine backed by Pfizer could be ready to distribute before Christmas, with the first doses earmarked for the elderly and vulnerable.
Albert Bourla, the chief executive of Pfizer, said that the vaccine was in the “last mile” and that the pharmaceutical company expected results within a matter of weeks.
This is a more balanced article though
https://uk.reuters.com/article/pfizer-results/pfiz...
On the vaccine, I am wondering if there is a case to offer vaccinations to be over 70's before the Phase III trial is completed.Oxford has lost its lead in the race, however great news if it happens
The government believes that a German vaccine backed by Pfizer could be ready to distribute before Christmas, with the first doses earmarked for the elderly and vulnerable.
Albert Bourla, the chief executive of Pfizer, said that the vaccine was in the “last mile” and that the pharmaceutical company expected results within a matter of weeks.
This is a more balanced article though
https://uk.reuters.com/article/pfizer-results/pfiz...
We know it should be safe, and we know it looks to be safe, so far. So I wouldn't advocate offering it to a healthy 30 year old, but considering the IFR is so high if you are over 80 for example, maybe the small risk of the vaccine is lower than the larger risk of catching covid?
The vaccine is bound to come with some risk - particularly for older people. The real issue will be the politicians having to explain that the vaccine is not "risk free". The impression created to date by the politicians is that a vaccine would represent a complete answer.
Elysium said:
In March Italy, France and Spain did the equivalent of shouting ‘fire’ in a crowded theatre and we stampeded.
Our Govt have fed us relentless death statistics for COVID in a deliberate propaganda campaign, to keep us cowering in fear for the last 7 months. People were just starting to wake up, but I am dismayed by the speed with which they are once again again putting fear over logic.
The first lockdowns, unfortunately, gave some very misguided people the illusion of control. The rational position in May was to realise COVID was less deadly than feared and that we could coexist with it. Unfortunately, these people became convinced we could crush it and avoid all COVID deaths.
All of our thoughts about controlling this are dangerous daydreams. We need to act like adults, accept it, take reasonable steps to mitigate it and stop this endless despairing handwringing.
The only certainty in life is that we are all going to die of something. In the meantime, let’s live.
We understood this in the 60’s:
https://youtu.be/LCRZZC-DH7M
Excellent - and in a similar vein, may I suggest...Our Govt have fed us relentless death statistics for COVID in a deliberate propaganda campaign, to keep us cowering in fear for the last 7 months. People were just starting to wake up, but I am dismayed by the speed with which they are once again again putting fear over logic.
The first lockdowns, unfortunately, gave some very misguided people the illusion of control. The rational position in May was to realise COVID was less deadly than feared and that we could coexist with it. Unfortunately, these people became convinced we could crush it and avoid all COVID deaths.
All of our thoughts about controlling this are dangerous daydreams. We need to act like adults, accept it, take reasonable steps to mitigate it and stop this endless despairing handwringing.
The only certainty in life is that we are all going to die of something. In the meantime, let’s live.
We understood this in the 60’s:
https://youtu.be/LCRZZC-DH7M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjJHnKw7YNA
GMT13 said:
TheDrBrian said:
Anyway on to more positive news
25.5% of 18-24 year olds in America seriously considered suicide in June.
I’m sure it’s worth it.
Jesus Christ. 25.5% of 18-24 year olds in America seriously considered suicide in June.
I’m sure it’s worth it.
It seems all the talk on mental health the last few years were just empty words, pointless virtue signalling. When push comes to shove a significant proportion of the population are cowardly and selfish. They want a lockdown on the off chance that it provides them with extra protection from a nothing burger virus at the expense of everybodys way of life.
All work/no work and no play does not lead to a happy population
ant1973 said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
the-photographer said:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/scientists-hope...
Oxford has lost its lead in the race, however great news if it happens
The government believes that a German vaccine backed by Pfizer could be ready to distribute before Christmas, with the first doses earmarked for the elderly and vulnerable.
Albert Bourla, the chief executive of Pfizer, said that the vaccine was in the “last mile” and that the pharmaceutical company expected results within a matter of weeks.
This is a more balanced article though
https://uk.reuters.com/article/pfizer-results/pfiz...
On the vaccine, I am wondering if there is a case to offer vaccinations to be over 70's before the Phase III trial is completed.Oxford has lost its lead in the race, however great news if it happens
The government believes that a German vaccine backed by Pfizer could be ready to distribute before Christmas, with the first doses earmarked for the elderly and vulnerable.
Albert Bourla, the chief executive of Pfizer, said that the vaccine was in the “last mile” and that the pharmaceutical company expected results within a matter of weeks.
This is a more balanced article though
https://uk.reuters.com/article/pfizer-results/pfiz...
We know it should be safe, and we know it looks to be safe, so far. So I wouldn't advocate offering it to a healthy 30 year old, but considering the IFR is so high if you are over 80 for example, maybe the small risk of the vaccine is lower than the larger risk of catching covid?
The vaccine is bound to come with some risk - particularly for older people. The real issue will be the politicians having to explain that the vaccine is not "risk free". The impression created to date by the politicians is that a vaccine would represent a complete answer.
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