CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 5)
Discussion
Obviously most on this thread think that the cure is worse than the disease.
Some have mentioned protesting.Now there have been protests, I think 18 got arrested in London last weekend but no real coverage for example like the BLM marches.
There have been protests in Paris & I think Rome’s was quite nasty.
The MSM barely do not mention these & it’s swept under the carpet. Here’s my thoughts. The end of furlough is here & many more will lose their jobs. Darkest winter is not far away with Christmas on the horizon,
Many people will struggle to pay the bills. When this happens on a large scale all bets are off. The plug has been pulled from the record player and the music will stop.
I can see mass civil unrest in the very near future , it’s not going to be pleasant.
Some have mentioned protesting.Now there have been protests, I think 18 got arrested in London last weekend but no real coverage for example like the BLM marches.
There have been protests in Paris & I think Rome’s was quite nasty.
The MSM barely do not mention these & it’s swept under the carpet. Here’s my thoughts. The end of furlough is here & many more will lose their jobs. Darkest winter is not far away with Christmas on the horizon,
Many people will struggle to pay the bills. When this happens on a large scale all bets are off. The plug has been pulled from the record player and the music will stop.
I can see mass civil unrest in the very near future , it’s not going to be pleasant.
PeteinSQ said:
You can't blame people for that. If you think that not only are you on reduced earnings but you're even less likely to have a job to go back to you're going to be a bit annoyed about it.
Can I ask though what people on here think is motivating this (and just about every other) government to pursue these strategies? A lot of people seem to imply (or outright claim) that there is some dark reason behind all this. This idea about the great big reset for example.
Is that what you believe?
Personally I think the government doesn't know what to do for the best, is fumbling around desperately hoping a vaccine will be along before too long and praying they don't go bankrupt before then.
They have (all ) painted themselves in to a corner, no one is allowed to die from Covid it seems and many mountains and heaven itself need to be moved to ensure that happens. Feel free to die from 100's of other things though as we aren't tracking (a) cases (b) hospitalization (c) deaths and / or reporting on that daily.Can I ask though what people on here think is motivating this (and just about every other) government to pursue these strategies? A lot of people seem to imply (or outright claim) that there is some dark reason behind all this. This idea about the great big reset for example.
Is that what you believe?
Personally I think the government doesn't know what to do for the best, is fumbling around desperately hoping a vaccine will be along before too long and praying they don't go bankrupt before then.
TX.
markyb_lcy said:
TBF taking that definition, you could easily say the vast majority of “news” is propaganda. There is very little objective reporting left.
Agreed. I remember before rolling news, when you stuck on the news at 6 and the days headlines were REPORTED. Then off to the weather, then regional news about a cat being stuck up a tree (if you were still watching)Everyone has an agenda, if you are vox popping (asking members of public what they think) you are quite within your rights (but shouldn't be) to only show opinions you agree with. Although BBC have being showing a few dissenters recently, but I think with the aim of shaming them, rather than highlighting an alternative point of view
johnboy1975 said:
markyb_lcy said:
TBF taking that definition, you could easily say the vast majority of “news” is propaganda. There is very little objective reporting left.
Agreed. I remember before rolling news, when you stuck on the news at 6 and the days headlines were REPORTED. Then off to the weather, then regional news about a cat being stuck up a tree (if you were still watching)Everyone has an agenda, if you are vox popping (asking members of public what they think) you are quite within your rights (but shouldn't be) to only show opinions you agree with. Although BBC have being showing a few dissenters recently, but I think with the aim of shaming them, rather than highlighting an alternative point of view
I think they do more than simply report selectively, they’re actually going out to find stories which play to a narrative. They are then presented to maximise that narrative.
And it’s not just the BBC, it’s all the major news organisations, on both sides of the political divide.
V1nce Fox said:
Fullfact haven't debunked that one. Should I be worried?
Is the plan to buy every piece of privately own land and housing, and then pay people to sit in said houses doing nothing?
Sounds expensive and pointless, (I get the control aspect), surely they need us in concentration camps mining precious minerals in order to build a fleet of "arks" to take us (them) to the moon and beyond?
Uncle John said:
<edited for brevity
The end of furlough is here & many more will lose their jobs. Darkest winter is not far away with Christmas on the horizon,
Many people will struggle to pay the bills. When this happens on a large scale all bets are off. The plug has been pulled from the record player and the music will stop.
I can see mass civil unrest in the very near future , it’s not going to be pleasant.
An interesting prophecy. You may be right - certainly many people have been shielded from the full effects of restrictions until now, via furlough. Also, folks' savings will have been depleted. Financial pain is bound to increase from now onwards.The end of furlough is here & many more will lose their jobs. Darkest winter is not far away with Christmas on the horizon,
Many people will struggle to pay the bills. When this happens on a large scale all bets are off. The plug has been pulled from the record player and the music will stop.
I can see mass civil unrest in the very near future , it’s not going to be pleasant.
However, I still sense that the majority are 1) convinced that a second wave is upon us, 2) convinced that national lockdown is the answer, 3) are comfortably off or working from home or retired on fixed pensions and 4) are terrified of the KILLER VIRUS that stalks them.
In any event, in my circle anyway the mood is for tougher restrictions, because the ones up to now haven't worked. FFS!
Or: "the medicine isn't working. Here, take more." I f
king despair, I really do.V1nce Fox said:
Lies and conspiracy wibble. There is no way on Earth the IMF would have anything to do with this.https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2020/06/03/sp...
grumbledoak said:
V1nce Fox said:
Lies and conspiracy wibble. There is no way on Earth the IMF would have anything to do with this.https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2020/06/03/sp...
I have a good life that I've worked hard for, but if it plays out this way it won't be worth living anymore.
Brave Fart said:
Uncle John said:
<edited for brevity
The end of furlough is here & many more will lose their jobs. Darkest winter is not far away with Christmas on the horizon,
Many people will struggle to pay the bills. When this happens on a large scale all bets are off. The plug has been pulled from the record player and the music will stop.
I can see mass civil unrest in the very near future , it’s not going to be pleasant.
An interesting prophecy. You may be right - certainly many people have been shielded from the full effects of restrictions until now, via furlough. Also, folks' savings will have been depleted. Financial pain is bound to increase from now onwards.The end of furlough is here & many more will lose their jobs. Darkest winter is not far away with Christmas on the horizon,
Many people will struggle to pay the bills. When this happens on a large scale all bets are off. The plug has been pulled from the record player and the music will stop.
I can see mass civil unrest in the very near future , it’s not going to be pleasant.
However, I still sense that the majority are 1) convinced that a second wave is upon us, 2) convinced that national lockdown is the answer, 3) are comfortably off or working from home or retired on fixed pensions and 4) are terrified of the KILLER VIRUS that stalks them.
In any event, in my circle anyway the mood is for tougher restrictions, because the ones up to now haven't worked. FFS!
Or: "the medicine isn't working. Here, take more." I f
king despair, I really do.I have clients in a right panic, as they've spent their loans, to bounce back. Have bounced back and now are terrified of being shut down again leaving them with no business and huge loans.
I think Boris will stay strong, because of London.
London is doing just fine. Shutting down the whole country, including the engine which is London, would just be insane.
isaldiri said:
WindyCommon said:
I would welcome Isaldiri posting some of his own original thoughts and ideas rather than just being an ambush predator.
Ok i was going to leave it but I take issue with this.Ambush predator or not, i find manifestly false claims or extremly selective numbers jumping to absurd conclusions portrayed as the absolute truth generally exceptionally irritating and outright unhelpful to being able to have a sensible debate about the whole bloody mess. As have been some of the more grandiose claims of championing liberty vs evil.
You have been quite sensible and logical about the whole thing so far, far more so probably than I have. Do you really not see why I sometimes end up replying the way I do?
btw - I think we once shared a pit garage as Silverstone. Is that possible?
V1nce Fox said:
the link i posted goes quite a bit further. apparently a leaked letter from a meeting with canadian leaders detailing a systematic removal of all private assets and enforced vaccination to be leveraged by forgiving of all private debts and a universal income. reads as a terrifying prediction but at this point all bets seem off.
Do you know what the last Bretton Woods moment was?https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2020/10/15/sp...
I’m watching C4 news and having to pinch myself.
A huge conflation has just occurred between infections (estimated by ons survey) and “cases” (positive PCR tests) in order to say the Whitty and Valance “scenario” of 50k daily cases by mid October was “probably an understatement”.
Lord Jesus H Christ give me strength.
A huge conflation has just occurred between infections (estimated by ons survey) and “cases” (positive PCR tests) in order to say the Whitty and Valance “scenario” of 50k daily cases by mid October was “probably an understatement”.
Lord Jesus H Christ give me strength.
grumbledoak said:
V1nce Fox said:
the link i posted goes quite a bit further. apparently a leaked letter from a meeting with canadian leaders detailing a systematic removal of all private assets and enforced vaccination to be leveraged by forgiving of all private debts and a universal income. reads as a terrifying prediction but at this point all bets seem off.
Do you know what the last Bretton Woods moment was?https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2020/10/15/sp...
king power grab for our own goodbreakfan said:
That's really poignant
I wish these comparisons were on the 8 o'clock news rather than page 464 of a car forum
The saddest thing about it is that even if the media knew, they'd not report it in that way. I wish these comparisons were on the 8 o'clock news rather than page 464 of a car forum
I know a lot of people who are experiencing the symptoms of mild depression, many who have never felt that way before. I'm trying to keep it at bay with exercise and getting outdoors even when it's not great weather but it doesn't take long before I'm feeling thoroughly deflated
markyb_lcy said:
I’m watching C4 news and having to pinch myself.
A huge conflation has just occurred between infections (estimated by ons survey) and “cases” (positive PCR tests) in order to say the Whitty and Valance “scenario” of 50k daily cases by mid October was “probably an understatement”.
Lord Jesus H Christ give me strength.
Just watched John Campbell on YouTube go through the Imperial figures v the Zoe figures. Basically saying the Imperial ones are a bit iffy at 96000 per day whilst Zoe at 43000 per day are more likely.A huge conflation has just occurred between infections (estimated by ons survey) and “cases” (positive PCR tests) in order to say the Whitty and Valance “scenario” of 50k daily cases by mid October was “probably an understatement”.
Lord Jesus H Christ give me strength.
Tim Spector has said that there is no surge and no need to panic as no excess deaths being seen.
Also looked at some data that said the there is likely to be immunity through the T cells for quite a long time which again is positive.
Will this get reported - doubtful and I am with him in saying that the news media like bad news - only got to look at the Mail headlines......... if you dare.
Uncle John said:
Obviously most on this thread think that the cure is worse than the disease.
Some have mentioned protesting.Now there have been protests, I think 18 got arrested in London last weekend but no real coverage for example like the BLM marches.
There have been protests in Paris & I think Rome’s was quite nasty.
The MSM barely do not mention these & it’s swept under the carpet. Here’s my thoughts. The end of furlough is here & many more will lose their jobs. Darkest winter is not far away with Christmas on the horizon,
Many people will struggle to pay the bills. When this happens on a large scale all bets are off. The plug has been pulled from the record player and the music will stop.
I can see mass civil unrest in the very near future , it’s not going to be pleasant.
It is notable how little coverage the protests have been given on the state broadcaster Some have mentioned protesting.Now there have been protests, I think 18 got arrested in London last weekend but no real coverage for example like the BLM marches.
There have been protests in Paris & I think Rome’s was quite nasty.
The MSM barely do not mention these & it’s swept under the carpet. Here’s my thoughts. The end of furlough is here & many more will lose their jobs. Darkest winter is not far away with Christmas on the horizon,
Many people will struggle to pay the bills. When this happens on a large scale all bets are off. The plug has been pulled from the record player and the music will stop.
I can see mass civil unrest in the very near future , it’s not going to be pleasant.
I hope you are right about civil unrest, but only because sadly I think it’s needed to break this
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