Laurence Fox - New Political Party
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Electro1980 said:
Vanden Saab said:
kevinon said:
JuanCarlosFandango said:
Did you find any evidence to support this assertion though?
I reviewed lots of evidence in March 2020 before deciding to buy FFP3 / N99 masks for myself. I had an open mind as I looked at the data, because that's how I roll.But some people start with an opinion and then seek data to support it; I don't really understand it, but they must get something out of it.
mybrainhurts said:
JuanCarlosFandango said:
kevinon said:
Because wearing string of garlic round your neck is superstitious. Masks, particularly the N95 and N99 versions stop 95 % or 99% aerosol transmission, and lesser ones do a good job of stopping the bigger droplets from entering one's respiratory system. Taking such measures is the opposite of superstition.It's based on experiments that can be replicated - i.s the scientific method.
Did you find any evidence to support this assertion though? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIa4Wdy0CdY&li...
But thanks for showing me where you get your 'information'. It's been educational to enter your world.
ThumperMc said:
Electro1980 said:
Vanden Saab said:
kevinon said:
JuanCarlosFandango said:
Did you find any evidence to support this assertion though?
I reviewed lots of evidence in March 2020 before deciding to buy FFP3 / N99 masks for myself. I had an open mind as I looked at the data, because that's how I roll.But some people start with an opinion and then seek data to support it; I don't really understand it, but they must get something out of it.
It is only effective against Covid when properly fitted.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41415-020-1850-x
https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/secondary-c...
https://www.nhsggc.org.uk/working-with-us/hr-conne...
Wearing a FFP3 mask without having it fitted is about as much use as wearing a your mums old pants over your face.
Mind you I guess you both know better than the NHS. Experts eh. ...
Vanden Saab said:
Sigh what do you think an FFP3 mask is?
It is only effective against Covid when properly fitted.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41415-020-1850-x
https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/secondary-c...
https://www.nhsggc.org.uk/working-with-us/hr-conne...
Wearing a FFP3 mask without having it fitted is about as much use as wearing a your mums old pants over your face.
Mind you I guess you both know better than the NHS. Experts eh. ...
Unlike Dr Vape on Youtube I do not consider myself an expert. But in choosing how to live my life, I like to have an open mind. If I had seen research that showed that 'mums old pants' were equivalent to the FFP3 / N99 products I bought, AND THE SOURCE WAS CREDIBLE, I may not have gone ahead with the purchase, because facts.It is only effective against Covid when properly fitted.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41415-020-1850-x
https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/secondary-c...
https://www.nhsggc.org.uk/working-with-us/hr-conne...
Wearing a FFP3 mask without having it fitted is about as much use as wearing a your mums old pants over your face.
Mind you I guess you both know better than the NHS. Experts eh. ...
I was aware that to ensure 99% effectiveness one would need a 'taste test' (talking about the N99 mask here; not a taste test on mum's old pants). And Dr Vape makes the accurate observation that if you keep taking a mask on & off you can cross contaminate.
Masks can be less than 100 % effective (by design, by use - case etc) but that is not the same as saying they are useless. And saying that their function is to 'show compliance' like marking the user out in the way the Star of David did for the Jews in Hitler's Germany. This is a weird way to look at the world IMHO; but thanks for showing me that people like Dr Vape exist as influencers; certainly helps me understand the conspiracy theorist mindset.
Anyway, I'm off to check the web. I want to learn how to disable the electronics in my covid vaccine. A man on the internet says that a simple fridge magnet on my arm will disable the implanted tracker, providing I rotate the magnet anticlockwise 5 times. I didn't even have to pay for this information; proof that some of our greatest minds are tired of the way information is controlled by the elite.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
I'm reading it, settle down.
And yes indeed it finds an association between full lockdowns and a reduced peak which would take the load off hospitals, though not overall mortality.
Being published in July 2020 it obviously only looks at the first wave.
It still leaves the question of whether the same could be achieved with less draconian measures, and the question of how we end this cycle of lockdown and partial release?
Wear mask / wash hands / take vaccineAnd yes indeed it finds an association between full lockdowns and a reduced peak which would take the load off hospitals, though not overall mortality.
Being published in July 2020 it obviously only looks at the first wave.
It still leaves the question of whether the same could be achieved with less draconian measures, and the question of how we end this cycle of lockdown and partial release?
That is the only way out
Jimboka said:
Wear mask / wash hands / take vaccine
That is the only way out
And keep businesses closed, schools shut, delay operations, keep families apart, restrict travel, tell people not to meet each other, keep paying people to sit at home, and keep accumulating debt at the sort of pace normally associated with a major war. For how long? At what cost? And is it worth it?That is the only way out
We have been doing most of those things for nearly a year and apparently cases are worse than ever. We have the vaccine now, apparently it's being rolled out at great speed. 4.5 million of the most vulnerable already had their first dose. Surely at this point we could say stick with it for X weeks until we have some proportion of the population vaccinated and we'll drop the restrictions.
Even without getting into how serious you think covid is or how effective you think masks are at preventing it that would surely just make sense practically and morally.
Fox has just announced he's going to run for London Mayor "in direct challenge to Sadiq Khan's 'woke politics'".
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1406515/la...
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1406515/la...
JuanCarlosFandango said:
I hope it does split the "right wing" vote. Anyone on the right who would vote for the current Conservative Party thoroughly deserves Sadiq Khan.
Is the current conservative party actually that? If it is conservative it's a very watered down version.I've always voted conservative as they're usually the best of a bad bunch. After the past 12 months though I doubt I'll vote for any mainstream party again.
Thin White Duke said:
JuanCarlosFandango said:
I hope it does split the "right wing" vote. Anyone on the right who would vote for the current Conservative Party thoroughly deserves Sadiq Khan.
Is the current conservative party actually that? If it is conservative it's a very watered down version.Thin White Duke
I think the Conservative Party abandoned anything vaguely conservative decades ago. They retain some of the language for show purposes but it's no more conservative than the current Lancia range is a worthy heir to the Stratos.
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I think the last election was all about Brexit and you can't read too much more into the result. Johnson played a very simple strategy well and the country backed an unequivocal leave message after 4 years of political shenanigans. That Labour was a mess of antisemitism and confusion over Brexit itself made the decision all the easier.
My reading of it is that much of the country, especially the "red wall" which so enthusiastically turned blue in 2019 favours a much more robust conservative agenda which simply isn't on offer from the main parties. Farage tapped into this, and I hope Fox can.
I doubt he will get very far in London but it isn't like Bailey had much of a chance anyway. If it can make clear to Tory HQ that they are losing votes to the right rather than to the left then so much the better.
I think the Conservative Party abandoned anything vaguely conservative decades ago. They retain some of the language for show purposes but it's no more conservative than the current Lancia range is a worthy heir to the Stratos.
Countdown
I think the last election was all about Brexit and you can't read too much more into the result. Johnson played a very simple strategy well and the country backed an unequivocal leave message after 4 years of political shenanigans. That Labour was a mess of antisemitism and confusion over Brexit itself made the decision all the easier.
My reading of it is that much of the country, especially the "red wall" which so enthusiastically turned blue in 2019 favours a much more robust conservative agenda which simply isn't on offer from the main parties. Farage tapped into this, and I hope Fox can.
I doubt he will get very far in London but it isn't like Bailey had much of a chance anyway. If it can make clear to Tory HQ that they are losing votes to the right rather than to the left then so much the better.
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