Laurence Fox - New Political Party
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Lord Marylebone said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:
If masks and vaccine passports are legally required, then their pub will have to insist on masks and vaccine passports like everyone else.
If masks and vaccine passports are not legally required in pubs, then I am willing to bet that no pubs will be asking for them.
This just makes me think they are as thick as mince, or are trying to appeal to people who are as thick as mince.
I wonder if they'll ensure nothing they serve is imported?
A curry with all British sourced ingredients is more British in practice than lamb from New Zealand and veg from Israel.
Blakewater said:
Lord Marylebone said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:If masks and vaccine passports are legally required, then their pub will have to insist on masks and vaccine passports like everyone else.
If masks and vaccine passports are not legally required in pubs, then I am willing to bet that no pubs will be asking for them.
This just makes me think they are as thick as mince, or are trying to appeal to people who are as thick as mince.
I wonder if they'll ensure nothing they serve is imported?
A curry with all British sourced ingredients is more British in practice than lamb from New Zealand and veg from Israel.
The absolute state of Tice and Fox.
Blakewater said:
By late June, masks and social distancing won't be required by law and vaccine passports just to get into a pub are unlikely.
I wonder if they'll ensure nothing they serve is imported?
A curry with all British sourced ingredients is more British in practice than lamb from New Zealand and veg from Israel.
Something tells me that Israeli veg and NZ lamb will be very welcome at the Brexit Arms. I wonder if they'll ensure nothing they serve is imported?
A curry with all British sourced ingredients is more British in practice than lamb from New Zealand and veg from Israel.
kevinon said:
Unlike Dr Vape on Youtube I do not consider myself an expert. But in choosing how to live my life, I like to have an open mind. If I had seen research that showed that 'mums old pants' were equivalent to the FFP3 / N99 products I bought, AND THE SOURCE WAS CREDIBLE, I may not have gone ahead with the purchase, because facts.
I was aware that to ensure 99% effectiveness one would need a 'taste test' (talking about the N99 mask here; not a taste test on mum's old pants). And Dr Vape makes the accurate observation that if you keep taking a mask on & off you can cross contaminate.
Masks can be less than 100 % effective (by design, by use - case etc) but that is not the same as saying they are useless. And saying that their function is to 'show compliance' like marking the user out in the way the Star of David did for the Jews in Hitler's Germany. This is a weird way to look at the world IMHO; but thanks for showing me that people like Dr Vape exist as influencers; certainly helps me understand the conspiracy theorist mindset.
Anyway, I'm off to check the web. I want to learn how to disable the electronics in my covid vaccine. A man on the internet says that a simple fridge magnet on my arm will disable the implanted tracker, providing I rotate the magnet anticlockwise 5 times. I didn't even have to pay for this information; proof that some of our greatest minds are tired of the way information is controlled by the elite.
Just a quick one, would the FFP3 be suitable for me servicing a glycol chilling compressor which uses Ammonia as a refrigerant?I was aware that to ensure 99% effectiveness one would need a 'taste test' (talking about the N99 mask here; not a taste test on mum's old pants). And Dr Vape makes the accurate observation that if you keep taking a mask on & off you can cross contaminate.
Masks can be less than 100 % effective (by design, by use - case etc) but that is not the same as saying they are useless. And saying that their function is to 'show compliance' like marking the user out in the way the Star of David did for the Jews in Hitler's Germany. This is a weird way to look at the world IMHO; but thanks for showing me that people like Dr Vape exist as influencers; certainly helps me understand the conspiracy theorist mindset.
Anyway, I'm off to check the web. I want to learn how to disable the electronics in my covid vaccine. A man on the internet says that a simple fridge magnet on my arm will disable the implanted tracker, providing I rotate the magnet anticlockwise 5 times. I didn't even have to pay for this information; proof that some of our greatest minds are tired of the way information is controlled by the elite.
Or possibly refilling the HCl tank, or even working in areas where nitric acid is likely to be loose?
If so then I'll get a pack of a hundred for what one set of, disposable filters cost me.
Hint, the virus is smaller than any of these molecules.
If you went into an area with ammonia contamination wearing one I'd probably need to drag you out semi conscious.
THAT is how effective they are.
And the majority don't even wear such good quality ones.
stitched said:
kevinon said:
Unlike Dr Vape on Youtube I do not consider myself an expert. But in choosing how to live my life, I like to have an open mind. If I had seen research that showed that 'mums old pants' were equivalent to the FFP3 / N99 products I bought, AND THE SOURCE WAS CREDIBLE, I may not have gone ahead with the purchase, because facts.
I was aware that to ensure 99% effectiveness one would need a 'taste test' (talking about the N99 mask here; not a taste test on mum's old pants). And Dr Vape makes the accurate observation that if you keep taking a mask on & off you can cross contaminate.
Masks can be less than 100 % effective (by design, by use - case etc) but that is not the same as saying they are useless. And saying that their function is to 'show compliance' like marking the user out in the way the Star of David did for the Jews in Hitler's Germany. This is a weird way to look at the world IMHO; but thanks for showing me that people like Dr Vape exist as influencers; certainly helps me understand the conspiracy theorist mindset.
Anyway, I'm off to check the web. I want to learn how to disable the electronics in my covid vaccine. A man on the internet says that a simple fridge magnet on my arm will disable the implanted tracker, providing I rotate the magnet anticlockwise 5 times. I didn't even have to pay for this information; proof that some of our greatest minds are tired of the way information is controlled by the elite.
Just a quick one, would the FFP3 be suitable for me servicing a glycol chilling compressor which uses Ammonia as a refrigerant?I was aware that to ensure 99% effectiveness one would need a 'taste test' (talking about the N99 mask here; not a taste test on mum's old pants). And Dr Vape makes the accurate observation that if you keep taking a mask on & off you can cross contaminate.
Masks can be less than 100 % effective (by design, by use - case etc) but that is not the same as saying they are useless. And saying that their function is to 'show compliance' like marking the user out in the way the Star of David did for the Jews in Hitler's Germany. This is a weird way to look at the world IMHO; but thanks for showing me that people like Dr Vape exist as influencers; certainly helps me understand the conspiracy theorist mindset.
Anyway, I'm off to check the web. I want to learn how to disable the electronics in my covid vaccine. A man on the internet says that a simple fridge magnet on my arm will disable the implanted tracker, providing I rotate the magnet anticlockwise 5 times. I didn't even have to pay for this information; proof that some of our greatest minds are tired of the way information is controlled by the elite.
Or possibly refilling the HCl tank, or even working in areas where nitric acid is likely to be loose?
If so then I'll get a pack of a hundred for what one set of, disposable filters cost me.
Hint, the virus is smaller than any of these molecules.
If you went into an area with ammonia contamination wearing one I'd probably need to drag you out semi conscious.
THAT is how effective they are.
And the majority don't even wear such good quality ones.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-80078-7
stitched said:
Just a quick one, would the FFP3 be suitable for me servicing a glycol chilling compressor which uses Ammonia as a refrigerant?
Or possibly refilling the HCl tank, or even working in areas where nitric acid is likely to be loose?
If so then I'll get a pack of a hundred for what one set of, disposable filters cost me.
Hint, the virus is smaller than any of these molecules.
If you went into an area with ammonia contamination wearing one I'd probably need to drag you out semi conscious.
THAT is how effective they are.
And the majority don't even wear such good quality ones.
Epically missing my point - which is about me looking at the data available for my use-case.Or possibly refilling the HCl tank, or even working in areas where nitric acid is likely to be loose?
If so then I'll get a pack of a hundred for what one set of, disposable filters cost me.
Hint, the virus is smaller than any of these molecules.
If you went into an area with ammonia contamination wearing one I'd probably need to drag you out semi conscious.
THAT is how effective they are.
And the majority don't even wear such good quality ones.
And concluding that the FFP3 masks I bought before Covid hit the UK are very appropriate for my situation. They are commonly used by surgeons who, of course, work closely with ill people.
If my situation involved places where 'nitric acid is likely to be loose' I would do some new research, and would not be swayed by Dr Vape or David Icke or Laurence Fox types, or indeed someone here on PH.
Some of the comments here remind me of arguments against the usefulness of seat belts.
20 years ago there was a small but vociferous group who argued that because seat belts were a bad idea, because .... the state controlling us, they can do more damage than good, false sense of security, a racing harness would be better ... etc.
Black and white thinking; the psychologists call it.
rscott said:
Size of the virus by itself is irrelevant. It's the size of the moisture droplets it's carried in. Masks just need to be able to severely reduce the transmission of those..
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-80078-7
Erm have you read that paper? https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-80078-7
paper said:
Our simulations demonstrate that currently available information is inadequate to design social distancing recommendations on a solid scientific basis. Indeed, diametrically opposed predictions are drawn depending on the size distribution of the respiratory droplets and ambient humidity: (i) most versus none of the viral load settles in the first 1–2 m in few seconds; (ii) all viral load is carried on dry nuclei versus liquid droplets and (iii) small airborne particles travel less than 2.5m versus more than 7.5m. Our findings call for novel experimental efforts to address two key issues that cause uncertainty in predictions: the determination of droplet size distributions at emission (I1) and the infection potential of viral load carried on dry versus wet nuclei (I2).
paper also said said:
the SARS-CoV-2 virus retains infectivity and integrity up to 16 hours in laboratory-created respirable-sized aerosols
This would lead to the conclusion that it is the dry nuclei that are infectious (wet nuclei do not last long enough) - hence all a mask does is collect the wet nuclei and then provide a evaporation layer for pushing out dry nuclei.Jinx said:
This would lead to the conclusion that it is the dry nuclei that are infectious (wet nuclei do not last long enough) - hence all a mask does is collect the wet nuclei and then provide a evaporation layer for pushing out dry nuclei.
Apologies for my lack of knowledge - what does the bit in bold mean in layman's terms?Jinx said:
This would lead to the conclusion that it is the dry nuclei that are infectious (wet nuclei do not last long enough) - hence all a mask does is collect the wet nuclei and then provide a evaporation layer for pushing out dry nuclei.
The paper also says - Our central observable here is the relative viral load, i.e. the amount of virus carried by an individual droplet normalized to the total amount of virus in the ensemble of droplets. To connect the relative viral load to the probability of infection, further information is needed: what is the cumulative viral load emitted with the entire population of droplets by an infected individual, and what is the infectious dose of SARS-CoV-2? A comprehensive revision of the state of knowledge on this complex issue is beyond the scope of the present work.
This article, as I read it, covers fluid dynamics, but doesn't cover mask wearing (or not). As quote above makes plain, the authors are not addressing probability of infection, which is the core of the anti-maskers argument.
kevinon said:
The paper also says -
Our central observable here is the relative viral load, i.e. the amount of virus carried by an individual droplet normalized to the total amount of virus in the ensemble of droplets. To connect the relative viral load to the probability of infection, further information is needed: what is the cumulative viral load emitted with the entire population of droplets by an infected individual, and what is the infectious dose of SARS-CoV-2? A comprehensive revision of the state of knowledge on this complex issue is beyond the scope of the present work.
This article, as I read it, covers fluid dynamics, but doesn't cover mask wearing (or not). As quote above makes plain, the authors are not addressing probability of infection, which is the core of the anti-maskers argument.
The paper doesn't cover anything except to conclude the wet nuclei drop out of the air within 7metres and in seconds. Now given "the SARS-CoV-2 virus retains infectivity and integrity up to 16 hours in laboratory-created respirable-sized aerosols" this implies it is the dry nuclei that are the vector for infection in the air. Hence the size of the wet nuclei is irrelevant to transmissibility (as an aerosol) as they do not last long enough in the air.Our central observable here is the relative viral load, i.e. the amount of virus carried by an individual droplet normalized to the total amount of virus in the ensemble of droplets. To connect the relative viral load to the probability of infection, further information is needed: what is the cumulative viral load emitted with the entire population of droplets by an infected individual, and what is the infectious dose of SARS-CoV-2? A comprehensive revision of the state of knowledge on this complex issue is beyond the scope of the present work.
This article, as I read it, covers fluid dynamics, but doesn't cover mask wearing (or not). As quote above makes plain, the authors are not addressing probability of infection, which is the core of the anti-maskers argument.
The "anti-maskers" argument is that a mask will not stop the virus as it only stops moisture. Given moisture is irrelevant according to this paper (for aerosol based infectivity) then this would indicate that the "anti-maskers" may have a point.
It is quite possible that both states of nuclei are infectious and wearing a mask (that is changed frequently) will protect against transmission via moisture but not dry nuclei aerosols. So we get to a position where the "mask may protect in certain circumstances" as outlined by HM-Gov but is not protection in itself and should not replace keeping your distance and having good ventilation (good ventilation being the primary protection and not an afterthought as has been the case so far).
Presume there's a deep and meaningful point to this.
https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/14309219275861...
https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/14309219275861...
Edited by bhstewie on Thursday 26th August 18:45
hstewie on Thursday 26th August 18:45bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Presume there's a deep and meaningful point to this.
https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/14309219275861...
Wow.https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/14309219275861...
Lord Marylebone said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Presume there's a deep and meaningful point to this.
https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/14309219275861...
Wow.https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/14309219275861...
dmahon said:
Lord Marylebone said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Presume there's a deep and meaningful point to this.
https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/14309219275861...
Wow.https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/14309219275861...
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