Coronavirus - the killer flu that will wipe us out? (Vol. 8)

[Zoobeef]

poo at Paul's said:

Says the man who never goes anywhere and never does anything!!
How’s the furlough going? A few more days, then you will have to get back to actual work, holiday is over.

Flap flap flap. Wave those arms.

[poo at Paul's]

Zoobeef said:

Flap flap flap. Wave those arms.

Do you remember where your iron is, to press that shirt for Monday? Best make sure it fits first!

[Zoobeef]

poo at Paul's said:

Do you remember where your iron is, to press that shirt for Monday? Best make sure it fits first!

I'll be in bed Monday.

You'll be full hazmat under your bed rocking back and forth wondering why people just won't follow the rules.

[markyb_lcy]

Zoobeef said:

poo at Paul's said:

Do you remember where your iron is, to press that shirt for Monday? Best make sure it fits first!

I'll be in bed Monday.

You'll be full hazmat under your bed rocking back and forth wondering why people just won't follow the rules.

[Ridgemont]

poo at Paul's said:

Yes, which I am allowed to do. But I also don’t partake of hospitality when I am on the road, I rarely stay in hotels now, don’t go drinking, take my lunch with me, I keep socially distanced wherever I go, I wear full Ppe (n99 masks, gloves, eye shield etc) at all clients I visit, ( I have to or they won’t let me in), I buy my petrol using and app and wear gloves etc etc when using pump, have spray IPA on me at all times, etc. The nature of my work means we need to be VERY careful indeed, but to be fair, it’s pretty easy, just need to be a bit better prepared that we used to have to be. And fingers crossed, 8 months in, staff of 74 in the company not a single incident, infections or scares, yet. ...


It is a shame the inhabitants of Manchester, Leicester, Nottingham etc can’t be as careful, or we’d be a st load better off that we currently are!

.....So don’t be stupid and think it is people like me catching this, it just isn’t. It’s people that we all see in populated areas who are going about their business like there is no pandemic and they never watch the news. And they’re everywhere, sadly:....


... And it is them that are fking it up for the rest of us and may well push us down the route of a full nationwide lockdown soon, but of course, they will blame the Govt for that.

Much as I admire your ... rigour... it might be worth exploring whether you are possibly ‘fingering the wrong dyke’?


It seems to me that the fecklessness of the populace is now a given. The incompetence of government likewise. We are now in the realms of the real: protect those that should be protected with avengance and stop trying to force societal changes on those who not only are not majorally effected by it, but will be picking up the bill for the rest of their lives.

Sounds fair!

[JagLover]

anonymous said:

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I'll wait for a western report thanks.

The Kremlin is laughing itself silly at the west destroying themselves over a moderately dangerous virus.

[Alucidnation]

poo at Paul's said:

Zoobeef said:

Just keep flapping.

Says the man who never goes anywhere and never does anything!!
How’s the furlough going? A few more days, then you will have to get back to actual work, holiday is over.

[ThumperMc]

Alucidnation said:

poo at Paul's said:

Zoobeef said:

Just keep flapping.

Says the man who never goes anywhere and never does anything!!
How’s the furlough going? A few more days, then you will have to get back to actual work, holiday is over.

Question is... will the level of froth on the thread die down or see an uptick.

[JagLover]

anonymous said:

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anonymous said:

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I'll wait for a western report thanks.

The Kremlin is laughing itself silly at the west destroying themselves over a moderately dangerous virus.

Some of these reports are in the Western world

https://pandemic.internationalsos.com/reports/covi...

I am well aware that there have been other documented cases of reinfection.

If it is the same strain this what you would expect to be happening. Due to the fact your immune system can now recognise it and fight it better.

PandemicInternational said:

Update 15 October: A case of re-infection has been confirmed in Israel. According to a study, the individual was a 20-year-old woman who was first diagnosed in April and later in August. She was mildly symptomatic during the first episode but was apparently asymptomatic during the second one.

If you have a compromised immune system then this could happen

PanemicInternational said:

An 89-year-old woman in the Netherlands has died following re-infection with COVID-19. According to the case report, she recovered from the first COVID-19 infection. Two months later, after starting a course of chemotherapy for an underlying health condition, she developed fever, cough and shortness of breath. COVID-19 was again diagnosed, she deteriorated and died. The genetic material of the virus differed from the first infection, and she is considered to have had a second infection.

What seems extremely unlikely is being infected with it again so soon and having a worse reaction.

[Zoobeef]

ThumperMc said:

Alucidnation said:

poo at Paul's said:

Zoobeef said:

Just keep flapping.

Says the man who never goes anywhere and never does anything!!
How’s the furlough going? A few more days, then you will have to get back to actual work, holiday is over.

Question is... will the level of froth on the thread die down or see an uptick.

I can only assume you are laughing at st on Paul. As he's being his normal stupid?

I've never been on furlough, I've never been busier and the union at work is so confident that they voted to strike as a pay rise, a bonus and 400 hours holiday isn't enough apparently.

I can only assume Paul doesn't read properly as the tears are bluring his vision.

[Leithen]

Dr Z said:

I'm looking at this one:



The epidemic is tracking faster and at the worser range of the forecast at the moment. It's not sustainable.

From a report in July:

https://acmedsci.ac.uk/file-download/51353957

Is this the document that all current Govt Policy is based on?

[Terminator X]

poo at Paul's said:

There’s very little social distancing in towns and cities for some time now. I travel a lot with work still, just ipuk for the last few weeks, and even in tier 3 areas, it seems many ignore the social distancing guidance.

I honestly think that’s the key to it, other things may help, but staying physically distanced from each other and random people etc is what makes the biggest difference IMO.

And when levels dropped after the first lockdown. Any areas that had poor social distancing ‘got away with it’ for a fair while just because levels in the community were so low after lockdown.
As those levels are on the rise again, case numbers will increase not because people are doing anything different, just because there’s more of it about and how many have been behaving for months and months is now being exploited by the virus.

Our area has very low levels of the virus per the stats etc, but it’s only a matter of time. I rode though a local tourist town on Sunday, and it was teeming with visitors and locals, very cramped on the pavements, no distancing going on, no masks on in the street, despite plenty of signs up everywhere from council etc telling people to keep space etc. But the sheer numbers just mean it is not possible, the on,y yes it can be is for people to turn up, see it is packed and fk off again.
And this tourist town is only 30 mile from a place gone to tier 3 this week.

Just too many people not paying attention to it all now. I think that is the reason it’s on the rise again. But with local lockdowns and wishy washy ones at that, people will just carry on ignoring social distancing or just going out of area and ignoring it.
It is a shame, there’s still the vast majority of people going about their business and not catching this, but it’s possible that the actions of a few will fk it up for everyone soon.

Edited by poo at Paul's on Wednesday 28th October 23:31

The difference this time though vs March is the mandatory wearing of face masks. In March / April we didn't do that so people just kept 2m apart at least (we often actually crossed the road just to avoid people!); now with masks people seem to feel invincible so just get as close as they ever did pre CV19. Masks protecting others

TX.

[Earthdweller]

Terminator X said:

The difference this time though vs March is the mandatory wearing of face masks. In March / April we didn't do that so people just kept 2m apart at least (we often actually crossed the road just to avoid people!); now with masks people seem to feel invincible so just get as close as they ever did pre CV19. Masks protecting others

TX.

It was something that was really striking

When they introduced masks in shops ALL social distancing by 99% of the population went out the window

Pretty much instantly the provision of a tiny bit of cloth made the wearer immune from catching the virus

I think the mandating of masks will prove to have been a mistake

[survivalist]

Earthdweller said:

It was something that was really striking

When they introduced masks in shops ALL social distancing by 99% of the population went out the window

Pretty much instantly the provision of a tiny bit of cloth made the wearer immune from catching the virus

I think the mandating of masks will prove to have been a mistake

Not to mention that you’re constantly taking them on and off, touching your face then other stuff etc

[EddieSteadyGo]

Leithen said:

Dr Z said:

I'm looking at this one:



The epidemic is tracking faster and at the worser range of the forecast at the moment. It's not sustainable.

From a report in July:

https://acmedsci.ac.uk/file-download/51353957

Is this the document that all current Govt Policy is based on?

If it is, they need to revise their table of IFR assumptions. Far too pessimistic.

[isaldiri]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Leithen said:

Is this the document that all current Govt Policy is based on?

If it is, they need to revise their table of IFR assumptions. Far too pessimistic.

It's not the govt official report, it's the report Vallance got commissioned from a different group to the SPI-M sage one that's in the news today. Broadly they are not all that different though.

Edited by isaldiri on Thursday 29th October 15:05

[Dr Z]

isaldiri said:

It's not the govt official report, it's the report Vallance got commissioned from a different group to the SPI-M sage one that's in the news today. Broadly they are all that different though.

Yep.

[Coolbananas]

Earthdweller said:

Terminator X said:

The difference this time though vs March is the mandatory wearing of face masks. In March / April we didn't do that so people just kept 2m apart at least (we often actually crossed the road just to avoid people!); now with masks people seem to feel invincible so just get as close as they ever did pre CV19. Masks protecting others

TX.

It was something that was really striking

When they introduced masks in shops ALL social distancing by 99% of the population went out the window

Pretty much instantly the provision of a tiny bit of cloth made the wearer immune from catching the virus

I think the mandating of masks will prove to have been a mistake

Interesting...so are you suggesting that the UK population in general is as thick as mince, relatively-speaking when compared to other Nations? Or is it just that you weren't informed correctly?

Here we were informed very clearly that masks do not work in isolation and are just a complimentary part of social distancing. Our Healthcare Professionals went to great lengths to explain that the primary social distancing rules always apply and that masks help to reduce risk - when everyone adopts their use - by helping to limit the spread of particles between people, especially where social distancing is, briefly, closer than we would like it to be.

They do not replace social distancing. They do not protect the wearer directly from non-wearers of masks who are close enough to allow their own particles to reach your mask. They do not guarantee significant protection at all times since some particles will get through them regardless, to varying degrees. They do need washing at least daily if you intend to use the same one and do not have a few about, otherwise a new disposable at least daily. They are only, when everyone wears one, a benefit towards particle reduction between people in tighter spacing situations - tighter spacing that must not be allowed for a long period because the goal is to maintain social distancing as much as possible.

Masks are there for those brief moments when that spacing is compromised but even then particles will get through because masks are not 100% protection, because they do not offer 'direct' protection and so they are not to be relied upon in close encounters for very long, you want that time to be short and masks will then - possibly - provide some measure of additional risk reduction to varying degrees depending upon each situation by shortening the reach particles would otherwise have when emitted by the wearer.

It isn't difficult to understand but judging by comments repeatedly made here and elsewhere, it really is hard for some to grasp.

[98elise]

survivalist said:

For the most part people have kept in line with guidance. The reason for the increase in 'cases' is entirely driven by behaviour wholly endorsed by government policy and not 'rule breakers'.

Have they? Social distancing has completely gone out of the window.

[survivalist]

Coolbananas said:

Earthdweller said:

Terminator X said:

The difference this time though vs March is the mandatory wearing of face masks. In March / April we didn't do that so people just kept 2m apart at least (we often actually crossed the road just to avoid people!); now with masks people seem to feel invincible so just get as close as they ever did pre CV19. Masks protecting others

TX.

It was something that was really striking

When they introduced masks in shops ALL social distancing by 99% of the population went out the window

Pretty much instantly the provision of a tiny bit of cloth made the wearer immune from catching the virus

I think the mandating of masks will prove to have been a mistake

Interesting...so are you suggesting that the UK population in general is as thick as mince, relatively-speaking when compared to other Nations? Or is it just that you weren't informed correctly?

Here we were informed very clearly that masks do not work in isolation and are just a complimentary part of social distancing. Our Healthcare Professionals went to great lengths to explain that the primary social distancing rules always apply and that masks help to reduce risk - when everyone adopts their use - by helping to limit the spread of particles between people, especially where social distancing is, briefly, closer than we would like it to be.

They do not replace social distancing. They do not protect the wearer directly from non-wearers of masks who are close enough to allow their own particles to reach your mask. They do not guarantee significant protection at all times since some particles will get through them regardless, to varying degrees. They do need washing at least daily if you intend to use the same one and do not have a few about, otherwise a new disposable at least daily. They are only, when everyone wears one, a benefit towards particle reduction between people in tighter spacing situations - tighter spacing that must not be allowed for a long period because the goal is to maintain social distancing as much as possible.

Masks are there for those brief moments when that spacing is compromised but even then particles will get through because masks are not 100% protection, because they do not offer 'direct' protection and so they are not to be relied upon in close encounters for very long, you want that time to be short and masks will then - possibly - provide some measure of additional risk reduction to varying degrees depending upon each situation by shortening the reach particles would otherwise have when emitted by the wearer.

It isn't difficult to understand but judging by comments repeatedly made here and elsewhere, it really is hard for some to grasp.

I think a large proportion of the population don’t care and are only wearing masks because the government (and therefore shops, pubs, public spaces) are insisting on it. As a result they are doing the bare minimum to prevent getting moaned at by shop staff and other shoppers.

If the government had laid out the facts and made it optional to wear masks then far fewer would be. I didn’t see anyone wearing them to pop to the toilet in pubs until it was required, for example, even though the risk of getting covid passing someone in a pub is broadly the same as passing someone in a supermarket aisle.