Welsh lockdown

[anonymous-user]

Noodle1982 said:

Does anyone here have any mates high up in the welsh government who may know when the golf courses are due to re-open?

Current restrictions are indefinite, with review at 16th Jan. So you've got a minimum of a couple of weeks - probably a lot longer.

[Trophy Husband]

Noodle1982 said:

Does anyone here have any mates high up in the welsh government who may know when the golf courses are due to re-open?

Driving for recreation currently is a bogey stroke.

[robuk]

Another bad set of PHW data - and its not a double read out either - that is tomorrow.

We are entering the period where xmas day infections will start to show in the coming week or so.

[Noodle1982]

I don't think we'll see much of an increase.

The people who are all for lockdown wouldn't have visited others over Xmas. Those who think lockdown is a bit extreme would have carried on as normal i.e visiting others as they usually do.

My Xmas was just like any other normal day. Visit family and friends as I'd usually do.

[saaby93]

Has anyone uncovered any stats about why the Vaccinations dont seem to be rolling out to older people in Wales yet?
Are they doing health service related people first or is the a shortage of fridges?
In England they seem to have done the 80s and now heading into the 70s

[BoRED S2upid]

saaby93 said:

Has anyone uncovered any stats about why the Vaccinations dont seem to be rolling out to older people in Wales yet?
Are they doing health service related people first or is the a shortage of fridges?
In England they seem to have done the 80s and now heading into the 70s

England certainly haven’t done over 80’s. We have an 84 year old relative with health conditions who hasn’t even been contacted yet.

[i4got]

saaby93 said:

Has anyone uncovered any stats about why the Vaccinations dont seem to be rolling out to older people in Wales yet?
Are they doing health service related people first or is the a shortage of fridges?
In England they seem to have done the 80s and now heading into the 70s

They haven't done the 80s i England yet. My 84 M-I-L hasn't got a date yet.

[Evanivitch]

saaby93 said:

Has anyone uncovered any stats about why the Vaccinations dont seem to be rolling out to older people in Wales yet?
Are they doing health service related people first or is the a shortage of fridges?
In England they seem to have done the 80s and now heading into the 70s

I know health workers have been prioritised in some areas, including family member who's a young, low risk Optician. Even he was puzzled by that, but alternative was refuse and not be able to work.

Also, understand the vaccination center in Vale and Cardiff was not by a Covid outbreak itself!

[anonymous-user]

saaby93 said:

Has anyone uncovered any stats about why the Vaccinations dont seem to be rolling out to older people in Wales yet?
Are they doing health service related people first or is the a shortage of fridges?
In England they seem to have done the 80s and now heading into the 70s

I believe they're trying to do healthcare and care workers as a priority at the moment. Probably the only correct decision Born Guessing has made throughout the pandemic.

[phil_cardiff]

My 80 year old Dad hasn't heard a thing here. My mate who works in theatre has had the 1st jab but no date given for the second.

I expect it to be the usual lamentable shambles across the UK.

[Trophy Husband]

The vaccination regime needs to be sensible.
1. NHS staff.
2. Nursing home staff.
3. Teachers.
4. Supermarket/food staff.
5. Infrastructure staff, logistics, fuel, water, electricity, ports, social services etc.
6. Then the elderly.
7. Then our children.
8. The rest of us.

Innoculating the elderly is the wrong way around. We need to be dealing with those that keep us well, fed, educated and warm. And then the economically active who are generally fit and well.

[phil_cardiff]

Trophy Husband said:

The vaccination regime needs to be sensible.
1. NHS staff.
2. Nursing home staff.
3. Teachers.
4. Supermarket/food staff.
5. Infrastructure staff, logistics, fuel, water, electricity, ports, social services etc.
6. Then the elderly.
7. Then our children.
8. The rest of us.

Innoculating the elderly is the wrong way around. We need to be dealing with those that keep us well, fed, educated and warm. And then the economically active who are generally fit and well.

Or we could leave it to the experts to decide the priority order.

[survivalist]

phil_cardiff said:

Trophy Husband said:

The vaccination regime needs to be sensible.
1. NHS staff.
2. Nursing home staff.
3. Teachers.
4. Supermarket/food staff.
5. Infrastructure staff, logistics, fuel, water, electricity, ports, social services etc.
6. Then the elderly.
7. Then our children.
8. The rest of us.

Innoculating the elderly is the wrong way around. We need to be dealing with those that keep us well, fed, educated and warm. And then the economically active who are generally fit and well.

Or we could leave it to the experts to decide the priority order.

I don’t think children are on the list at all. As I understand it the vaccine doesn’t stop you from getting it or spreading it. So vaccinating those who are close to zero risk from it makes no sense.

Same with supermarket workers, unless they are in the elderly or vulnerable category.

[Pistom]

phil_cardiff said:

Or we could leave it to the experts to decide the priority order.

"We" don't really have a choice. Good to know that the experts never get it wrong.

Oh, hang on ........

[MG CHRIS]

Noodle1982 said:

I don't think we'll see much of an increase.

The people who are all for lockdown wouldn't have visited others over Xmas. Those who think lockdown is a bit extreme would have carried on as normal i.e visiting others as they usually do.

My Xmas was just like any other normal day. Visit family and friends as I'd usually do.

This also schools have been shut and a lot of companies either on limited staff or shut. I saw more people on the 2 days I've been in work this week than I did in the 5 days over Christmas. It's quite convientent that we will have a double day tomorrow to make it out everyone been out partying and breaking rules.

Now if schools don't go back for January and cases remain high whilst in tier 4 questions really need to be answered on what on earth are we doing all this for.

[Trophy Husband]

phil_cardiff said:

Trophy Husband said:

The vaccination regime needs to be sensible.
1. NHS staff.
2. Nursing home staff.
3. Teachers.
4. Supermarket/food staff.
5. Infrastructure staff, logistics, fuel, water, electricity, ports, social services etc.
6. Then the elderly.
7. Then our children.
8. The rest of us.

Innoculating the elderly is the wrong way around. We need to be dealing with those that keep us well, fed, educated and warm. And then the economically active who are generally fit and well.

Or we could leave it to the experts to decide the priority order.

I work in an environment full of experts. In my experience their expertise generally doesn't reflect reality. They exist in cloisters wearing corduroy and brogues.
This problem needs businessmen who understand logistics not amateurs that rely on statistics.

[Harrison Bergeron]

Trophy Husband said:

The vaccination regime needs to be sensible.
1. NHS staff.
2. Nursing home staff.
3. Teachers.
4. Supermarket/food staff.
5. Infrastructure staff, logistics, fuel, water, electricity, ports, social services etc.
6. Then the elderly.
7. Then our children.
8. The rest of us.
Innoculating the elderly is the wrong way around. We need to be dealing with those that keep us well, fed, educated and warm. And then the economically active who are generally fit and well.

You mean mostly people who don’t die of it?

[TTmonkey]

phil_cardiff said:

Trophy Husband said:

The vaccination regime needs to be sensible.
1. NHS staff.
2. Nursing home staff.
3. Teachers.
4. Supermarket/food staff.
5. Infrastructure staff, logistics, fuel, water, electricity, ports, social services etc.
6. Then the elderly.
7. Then our children.
8. The rest of us.

Innoculating the elderly is the wrong way around. We need to be dealing with those that keep us well, fed, educated and warm. And then the economically active who are generally fit and well.

Or we could leave it to the experts to decide the priority order.

Actually that would be the politicians deciding it. Sort of the opposite to experts.

[survivalist]

Harrison Bergeron said:

Trophy Husband said:

The vaccination regime needs to be sensible.
1. NHS staff.
2. Nursing home staff.
3. Teachers.
4. Supermarket/food staff.
5. Infrastructure staff, logistics, fuel, water, electricity, ports, social services etc.
6. Then the elderly.
7. Then our children.
8. The rest of us.
Innoculating the elderly is the wrong way around. We need to be dealing with those that keep us well, fed, educated and warm. And then the economically active who are generally fit and well.

You mean mostly people who don’t die of it?

We are constantly being told that one of the biggest issues is overwhelming the healthcare system, therefore we should focus on those people who end up in hospital. For the most part it's not 20 year olds working in Tesco. The impact of the vaccines on transmission isn't currently known, so the best recipients are the old, vulnerable and those that care for the old, vulnerable and work in high risk settings as we don't have as many trained replacements for them if they become ill. Most people can operate a till, drive a delivery van. Most can't deliver a lesson in a school (not least because they won't have passed the relevant tests, safeguarding training etc).

[JQ]

Trophy Husband said:

The vaccination regime needs to be sensible.
1. NHS staff.
2. Nursing home staff.
3. Teachers.
4. Supermarket/food staff.
5. Infrastructure staff, logistics, fuel, water, electricity, ports, social services etc.
6. Then the elderly.
7. Then our children.
8. The rest of us.

Innoculating the elderly is the wrong way around. We need to be dealing with those that keep us well, fed, educated and warm. And then the economically active who are generally fit and well.

You think it's more important to vaccinate a fit and healthy 19 year old petrol station attendant than a 95 year old that hasn't left their house for 9 months? Feel free to share your logic with us, because that make no sense to me.