Welsh lockdown
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“Stay Local” isn’t a lifting of restrictions. Everyone has been travelling locally at least all this year.
This essentially means WG are extending travel restrictions.
We hit 230 days of lockdown with travel restrictions today. This extension means it will increase to 250 days.
We will have had travel restrictions for 65% of the first year of lockdowns. I believe this is likely the longest in the world.
This essentially means WG are extending travel restrictions.
We hit 230 days of lockdown with travel restrictions today. This extension means it will increase to 250 days.
We will have had travel restrictions for 65% of the first year of lockdowns. I believe this is likely the longest in the world.
Drakeford on R4 today programme.
So mixing households permitted from today and as most houses in Wales getting to back garden means going through the house but you are not permitted to use toilet.
The other thing is from 12/4 you can then use static caravans and houses/Airbnb.
However he was asked does 12/4 allow English into Wales.
Answer no As Boris current rules from the 12/4 state firstly you are only allowed to travel a short distance and also you are NOT allowed to stay overnight.
Asked about the Summer and English into Wales - IF everything goes to plan absolutely IF not we will have to delay.amend rules
So mixing households permitted from today and as most houses in Wales getting to back garden means going through the house but you are not permitted to use toilet.
The other thing is from 12/4 you can then use static caravans and houses/Airbnb.
However he was asked does 12/4 allow English into Wales.
Answer no As Boris current rules from the 12/4 state firstly you are only allowed to travel a short distance and also you are NOT allowed to stay overnight.
Asked about the Summer and English into Wales - IF everything goes to plan absolutely IF not we will have to delay.amend rules
Welshbeef said:
Drakeford on R4 today programme.
So mixing households permitted from today and as most houses in Wales getting to back garden means going through the house but you are not permitted to use toilet.
The other thing is from 12/4 you can then use static caravans and houses/Airbnb.
However he was asked does 12/4 allow English into Wales.
Answer no As Boris current rules from the 12/4 state firstly you are only allowed to travel a short distance and also you are NOT allowed to stay overnight.
Asked about the Summer and English into Wales - IF everything goes to plan absolutely IF not we will have to delay.amend rules
There is nothing (legally) stopping the English travelling to Wales - I'm looking at getting a game of golf booked in Wales this weekend as they're opening the courses - only a 2 hour drive - may go for a haircut when I'm at my mates in Hereford next week too - nothing that drakesSo mixing households permitted from today and as most houses in Wales getting to back garden means going through the house but you are not permitted to use toilet.
The other thing is from 12/4 you can then use static caravans and houses/Airbnb.
However he was asked does 12/4 allow English into Wales.
Answer no As Boris current rules from the 12/4 state firstly you are only allowed to travel a short distance and also you are NOT allowed to stay overnight.
Asked about the Summer and English into Wales - IF everything goes to plan absolutely IF not we will have to delay.amend rules
t (or Boris) can do about itI had a laugh at BBC Wales news last night.
They’ve outlined the modelling of what could happen with cases and deaths vs releasing lockdown at various speeds.
I think they may be using a ZX81 to do the calculations.
Worst case scenario is 3,500 deaths in the next 3 months.
Total in the last year, 5,500.
That’s without the vaccine and having some modicum of freedom last summer.
Now we have all 65+ year olds and vulnerable vaccinated and the seasonal change as we move into summer which reduces the virility of the virus.
I simply cannot see how that scenario can happen, but as usual the BBC reporter gimp just accepts the figures provided.
Oh and another £150m splurged on business support.
At this rate we’ll be locked back up before the summer ends “because of the science’.
Oh and ‘stay local’ yeah like that’s going to happen.....
Imho once the flood gates open, people simply won’t take any notice as they simply had enough of being under house arrest.
They’ve outlined the modelling of what could happen with cases and deaths vs releasing lockdown at various speeds.
I think they may be using a ZX81 to do the calculations.
Worst case scenario is 3,500 deaths in the next 3 months.
Total in the last year, 5,500.
That’s without the vaccine and having some modicum of freedom last summer.
Now we have all 65+ year olds and vulnerable vaccinated and the seasonal change as we move into summer which reduces the virility of the virus.
I simply cannot see how that scenario can happen, but as usual the BBC reporter gimp just accepts the figures provided.
Oh and another £150m splurged on business support.
At this rate we’ll be locked back up before the summer ends “because of the science’.
Oh and ‘stay local’ yeah like that’s going to happen.....
Imho once the flood gates open, people simply won’t take any notice as they simply had enough of being under house arrest.
Edited by wobert on Friday 12th March 08:09
https://gov.wales/sites/default/files/publications... has the modelling data and graphs - quite an interesting read.
Doc was released yesterday.
Doc was released yesterday.
So let me get this straight from a very frustrated mate who owns a small business in Wales. 4 people can mix for a piss up in your garden / house as really nobody is going to police garden only. You can go on holiday and get your hair cut but should stay local ??? So go on holiday locally??? And cannot under and circumstances enter a small business.
England restrictions are less than this and always have been.
England restrictions are less than this and always have been.
robuk said:
https://gov.wales/sites/default/files/publications... has the modelling data and graphs - quite an interesting read.
Doc was released yesterday.
So my statement above relates to this graph....Doc was released yesterday.
Using the low adherence graph as the basis.
C85% of all Covid deaths have occurred in the 65+ year old age group.
If that group are fully vaccinated, plus you have seasonality on your side, where does the surge come from?
I’m inclined to believe it’s b
ks until I see material evidence to back it up.And on that premise, we continue with restrictions that kill the economy and jobs....
Welshbeef said:
Drakeford on R4 today programme.
So mixing households permitted from today and as most houses in Wales getting to back garden means going through the house but you are not permitted to use toilet.
The other thing is from 12/4 you can then use static caravans and houses/Airbnb.
However he was asked does 12/4 allow English into Wales.
Answer no As Boris current rules from the 12/4 state firstly you are only allowed to travel a short distance and also you are NOT allowed to stay overnight.
Hmmm, no earlier than 12th April on gov.uk for England says:So mixing households permitted from today and as most houses in Wales getting to back garden means going through the house but you are not permitted to use toilet.
The other thing is from 12/4 you can then use static caravans and houses/Airbnb.
However he was asked does 12/4 allow English into Wales.
Answer no As Boris current rules from the 12/4 state firstly you are only allowed to travel a short distance and also you are NOT allowed to stay overnight.
"Self-contained accommodation, such as holiday lets, where indoor facilities are not shared with other households, can also reopen." - not sure what the point in that is if you can't stay overnight.
If basically the same rules are in place in Wales also from April 12th, I'm struggling to see what would be stopping you visiting Wales for a self-catering break from that date. Boris (or the roadmap) does not mention 'short distances' from April 12th, in fact if Zoos, Theme Parks, Caravans etc are opening then that would be the most widely ignored rule going.
(he says, having a house booked in Saundersfoot from April 11th - 16th, planning to travel from midnight on the 12th if the restrictions ease as per the roadmap!)
Edited by ch37 on Friday 12th March 09:59
BoRED S2upid said:
So let me get this straight from a very frustrated mate who owns a small business in Wales. 4 people can mix for a piss up in your garden / house as really nobody is going to police garden only. You can go on holiday and get your hair cut but should stay local ??? So go on holiday locally??? And cannot under and circumstances enter a small business.
England restrictions are less than this and always have been.
Depends on the nature of the small business. I've been into load.England restrictions are less than this and always have been.
wobert said:
I had a laugh at BBC Wales news last night.
They’ve outlined the modelling of what could happen with cases and deaths vs releasing lockdown at various speeds.
I think they may be using a ZX81 to do the calculations.
Worst case scenario is 3,500 deaths in the next 3 months.
Total in the last year, 5,500.
That’s without the vaccine and having some modicum of freedom last summer.
Now we have all 65+ year olds and vulnerable vaccinated and the seasonal change as we move into summer which reduces the virility of the virus.
I simply cannot see how that scenario can happen, but as usual the BBC reporter gimp just accepts the figures provided.
Oh and another £150m splurged on business support.
At this rate we’ll be locked back up before the summer ends “because of the science’.
Oh and ‘stay local’ yeah like that’s going to happen.....
Imho once the flood gates open, people simply won’t take any notice as they simply had enough of being under house arrest.
Seen it as well it disbelief that it was actually used what a load of bull. Agree on the rest of your comment people have stopped paying attention to it now plenty of people going in and out of peoples houses.They’ve outlined the modelling of what could happen with cases and deaths vs releasing lockdown at various speeds.
I think they may be using a ZX81 to do the calculations.
Worst case scenario is 3,500 deaths in the next 3 months.
Total in the last year, 5,500.
That’s without the vaccine and having some modicum of freedom last summer.
Now we have all 65+ year olds and vulnerable vaccinated and the seasonal change as we move into summer which reduces the virility of the virus.
I simply cannot see how that scenario can happen, but as usual the BBC reporter gimp just accepts the figures provided.
Oh and another £150m splurged on business support.
At this rate we’ll be locked back up before the summer ends “because of the science’.
Oh and ‘stay local’ yeah like that’s going to happen.....
Imho once the flood gates open, people simply won’t take any notice as they simply had enough of being under house arrest.
Edited by wobert on Friday 12th March 08:09
robuk said:
MG CHRIS said:
Seen it as well it disbelief that it was actually used what a load of bull. Agree on the rest of your comment people have stopped paying attention to it now plenty of people going in and out of peoples houses.
...and that is what is keeping it all rolling. It’s also worth stating again that ~25 people under 40 have died with covid in Wales. This is out of ~5,500.
People under 40 are out working and many breaking social distancing rules.
Wales has given the first vaccine dose to most people over 65, and to 25%+ over 50. They’re also doing well with the second dose rollout.
I really fail to see what the risk really is with allowing travel. Unless WG believes the vaccine won’t work.
People under 40 are out working and many breaking social distancing rules.
Wales has given the first vaccine dose to most people over 65, and to 25%+ over 50. They’re also doing well with the second dose rollout.
I really fail to see what the risk really is with allowing travel. Unless WG believes the vaccine won’t work.
We are all fed up and I know I will shortly start making more pragmatic personal decisions rather than blindly follow blanket dictats. This based on my experience of being in the same room as COVID +ve people SO many times, but the same people that whinge at Drakeford on a personal/political level are probably also moaning that the UK gvt have permitted a top 3 COVID death rate globally. On an island...
Once my mum has had her second jab and given it a couple of weeks the family and her isolation and mental health's destruction ends, whatever the rules/guidance.
Once my mum has had her second jab and given it a couple of weeks the family and her isolation and mental health's destruction ends, whatever the rules/guidance.
(Back after a 'holiday' from the forums...)
I've just had my monkey snot today. Very reluctantly, as I'm fit and healthy and the right side of 50. Apparently heart disease is a risk, but I'd have preferred to let my vaccine go to the truly vulnerable in countries struggling - particularly those in COVAX.
Anyway, by Dripford's own Levels, published last year, we should be Level 1 with immediate effect.
Level 1 is: Under 50 cases / 100,000 - currently 41 and falling, despite testing the hell out of everything that moves.
R under 1 - has been for several weeks now.
Cases falling in the most vulnerable (over 65s) - now largely protected by the vaccine.
Same applies over the border - England should be at Level 2 at the most.
Yet he's continuing to plough a path of economic and societal damage. He's a dithering, puritanical Marxist dictator and I hope he'll lose his seat in the elections - it's far from being 'safe'.
I've also just joined the 'Abolish the Welsh Assembly Party'. Hopefully we'll be allowed to leaflet and canvass to oust him from power.
I've just had my monkey snot today. Very reluctantly, as I'm fit and healthy and the right side of 50. Apparently heart disease is a risk, but I'd have preferred to let my vaccine go to the truly vulnerable in countries struggling - particularly those in COVAX.
Anyway, by Dripford's own Levels, published last year, we should be Level 1 with immediate effect.
Level 1 is: Under 50 cases / 100,000 - currently 41 and falling, despite testing the hell out of everything that moves.
R under 1 - has been for several weeks now.
Cases falling in the most vulnerable (over 65s) - now largely protected by the vaccine.
Same applies over the border - England should be at Level 2 at the most.
Yet he's continuing to plough a path of economic and societal damage. He's a dithering, puritanical Marxist dictator and I hope he'll lose his seat in the elections - it's far from being 'safe'.
I've also just joined the 'Abolish the Welsh Assembly Party'. Hopefully we'll be allowed to leaflet and canvass to oust him from power.
My parents (in thier 80s) and sister live on Ynys Mon.
My uncle lives in Devon. His daughter owns a number of holiday lets close to him.
He is riddled with cancer, and doesn't have long left.
He's still in hospital. Wants to go home, and daughter is trying to sort out a Palliative care package so he can spend his last few days or weeks, unlikely to be months, at home.
My mother wants to see him before he dies.
Can someone translate the laws and guidance and allow me to explain to my God fearing, legally cautious family, that they are allowed to travel to Devon, and stay for free in my cousin's empty cottage for a few days.
It's probably too far for my Dad to drive, so my sister would probably need to go too.
I'd go over from miseryside and pick them up, and drive them, but my wife's mother has just died, and I don't want to leave her alone for too long or stress her out.
My uncle lives in Devon. His daughter owns a number of holiday lets close to him.
He is riddled with cancer, and doesn't have long left.
He's still in hospital. Wants to go home, and daughter is trying to sort out a Palliative care package so he can spend his last few days or weeks, unlikely to be months, at home.
My mother wants to see him before he dies.
Can someone translate the laws and guidance and allow me to explain to my God fearing, legally cautious family, that they are allowed to travel to Devon, and stay for free in my cousin's empty cottage for a few days.
It's probably too far for my Dad to drive, so my sister would probably need to go too.
I'd go over from miseryside and pick them up, and drive them, but my wife's mother has just died, and I don't want to leave her alone for too long or stress her out.
Ken Figenus said:
We are all fed up and I know I will shortly start making more pragmatic personal decisions rather than blindly follow blanket dictats. This based on my experience of being in the same room as COVID +ve people SO many times, but the same people that whinge at Drakeford on a personal/political level are probably also moaning that the UK gvt have permitted a top 3 COVID death rate globally. On an island...
Once my mum has had her second jab and given it a couple of weeks the family and her isolation and mental health's destruction ends, whatever the rules/guidance.
Do you believe there's sufficient difference between 1 dose and 2 to justify the extra 12 weeks? Each to their own (and no judging off me) but my parents were un-exiled once they were 17 days clear of the first dose.Once my mum has had her second jab and given it a couple of weeks the family and her isolation and mental health's destruction ends, whatever the rules/guidance.
Pit Pony said:
My parents (in thier 80s) and sister live on Ynys Mon.
My uncle lives in Devon. His daughter owns a number of holiday lets close to him.
He is riddled with cancer, and doesn't have long left.
He's still in hospital. Wants to go home, and daughter is trying to sort out a Palliative care package so he can spend his last few days or weeks, unlikely to be months, at home.
My mother wants to see him before he dies.
Can someone translate the laws and guidance and allow me to explain to my God fearing, legally cautious family, that they are allowed to travel to Devon, and stay for free in my cousin's empty cottage for a few days.
It's probably too far for my Dad to drive, so my sister would probably need to go too.
I'd go over from miseryside and pick them up, and drive them, but my wife's mother has just died, and I don't want to leave her alone for too long or stress her out.
Covered under caring for someone in need I think (with a bit of artistic licence)My uncle lives in Devon. His daughter owns a number of holiday lets close to him.
He is riddled with cancer, and doesn't have long left.
He's still in hospital. Wants to go home, and daughter is trying to sort out a Palliative care package so he can spend his last few days or weeks, unlikely to be months, at home.
My mother wants to see him before he dies.
Can someone translate the laws and guidance and allow me to explain to my God fearing, legally cautious family, that they are allowed to travel to Devon, and stay for free in my cousin's empty cottage for a few days.
It's probably too far for my Dad to drive, so my sister would probably need to go too.
I'd go over from miseryside and pick them up, and drive them, but my wife's mother has just died, and I don't want to leave her alone for too long or stress her out.
Edit
Done some digging, I think this fits
https://www.mariecurie.org.uk/help/support/coronav...
MC said:
Wherever you are in the UK you can travel to visit someone who is dying in a hospital, hospice or care home.
The government has not said that there’s any limit on how soon the person is going to die before you visit them. It can be very difficult to say when someone is going to die, even if it’s expected. You can speak to the person and their doctors and nurses about the best time for you to visit. If the person is expected to live for months or years, you might prefer to wait until it’s safer to visit them.
The government has not said that there’s any limit on how soon the person is going to die before you visit them. It can be very difficult to say when someone is going to die, even if it’s expected. You can speak to the person and their doctors and nurses about the best time for you to visit. If the person is expected to live for months or years, you might prefer to wait until it’s safer to visit them.
Pit Pony said:
My parents (in thier 80s) and sister live on Ynys Mon.
My uncle lives in Devon. His daughter owns a number of holiday lets close to him.
He is riddled with cancer, and doesn't have long left.
He's still in hospital. Wants to go home, and daughter is trying to sort out a Palliative care package so he can spend his last few days or weeks, unlikely to be months, at home.
My mother wants to see him before he dies.
Can someone translate the laws and guidance and allow me to explain to my God fearing, legally cautious family, that they are allowed to travel to Devon, and stay for free in my cousin's empty cottage for a few days.
It's probably too far for my Dad to drive, so my sister would probably need to go too.
I'd go over from miseryside and pick them up, and drive them, but my wife's mother has just died, and I don't want to leave her alone for too long or stress her out.
Rules are for the observance of idiots and the guidance of wise souls.My uncle lives in Devon. His daughter owns a number of holiday lets close to him.
He is riddled with cancer, and doesn't have long left.
He's still in hospital. Wants to go home, and daughter is trying to sort out a Palliative care package so he can spend his last few days or weeks, unlikely to be months, at home.
My mother wants to see him before he dies.
Can someone translate the laws and guidance and allow me to explain to my God fearing, legally cautious family, that they are allowed to travel to Devon, and stay for free in my cousin's empty cottage for a few days.
It's probably too far for my Dad to drive, so my sister would probably need to go too.
I'd go over from miseryside and pick them up, and drive them, but my wife's mother has just died, and I don't want to leave her alone for too long or stress her out.
They should go. The potential psychological and emotional damage from your mother not seeing him before he steps off this world far outweigh the risks of either getting 'caught' or becoming infected.
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