Welsh lockdown

[robuk]

benjipeg said:

dripford is a joke, he is only easing the rules (which are a joke) as he is looking towards the senedd elections, if there was such a risk why would he be allowing door to door campainging.

Leaflets are allowed, door to door canvassing as you describe is specifically not allowed. Where did you discover it apparently was?

https://gov.wales/elections-coronavirus-guidance

"Can political parties, candidates or campaigners engage in canvassing (knocking on doors)?

No. In the current circumstances, canvassing is not a reasonable excuse to leave home. Political parties, candidates and other campaigners are encouraged to consider the full range of means, including social media, available to them to provide information to the electorate about the election."

[Trophy Husband]

Vitriol is very much at large here!
Whatever the whatever I wouldn't want to walk a mile in the shoes of any politicians at the moment.
They're all damned if they do and damned if they don't!
I've just had a lovely walk with my kids in the woods here in Snowdonia and met a good many families doing the same. No sneering or wondering if they should or shouldn't be here.
I don't know where any of them were from and really don't care.
We really are in this together whether Welsh or English.
We're so close to the tape now and I would hate to think that parochial resentment bubbles up so close to the finish line.
This isn't about government, it is about us lot, the people. We make the rules for ourselves. We're better at it than any parliament.
It is time for change.
This is our opportunity to take the power back.
This is what governments fear.
We don't need to be fighting each other, we need to be telling the establishment how it should be and how it must be.
They live in fear at the moment. So they should.

[benjipeg]

apologies, i see leafletting but not canvassing, still i really dont think if the risk is that large that extra rubbish being dropped through my letterbox is really essential.

[phil_cardiff]

Landcrab_Six said:

Amateurish said:

It's 27 March that Wales allows travel to self catered accommodation. The English are permitted from 12 April.

But only for Welsh residents, not those oppressive English bds.

It's all to pursue his nationalist agenda.

I'm determined to do my bit to oust him and his cronies in the Senedd elections.

Drakeford is a Unionist. He's said it many, many times. Do your research.

[Pit Pony]

sociopath said:

I'm looking forward to end of march when I can drive 150m from wrexham to cardiff, but apparently I can't drive 7miles up the road to chester because it's in England

But wait, surely the quickest way to Cardiff is via England? Down to the M54, M6, M5, M50, back into Wales.

[Trophy Husband]

Pit Pony said:

sociopath said:

I'm looking forward to end of march when I can drive 150m from wrexham to cardiff, but apparently I can't drive 7miles up the road to chester because it's in England

But wait, surely the quickest way to Cardiff is via England? Down to the M54, M6, M5, M50, back into Wales.

Don't start me on this!
Westminster has starved Wales of infrastructure spend for decades.
Imagine a motorway from Wrexham to the south?
Holyhead to the ports of South Wales and beyond into the world.

[anonymoususer]

So hows the little dictator doing generally ?

[anonymous-user]

phil_cardiff said:

Drakeford is a Unionist. He's said it many, many times. Do your research.

Is he hell. He's doing his best to break up the UK. Forget what he may have said, judge him on his recent actions (and, indeed, his actions to stop the English entering Wales).

[robuk]

Landcrab_Six said:

Is he hell. He's doing his best to break up the UK. Forget what he may have said, judge him on his recent actions (and, indeed, his actions to stop the English entering Wales).

Residents in England cant go on holiday until April 12th, and that was decided by whom?

Or do you mean the 'stay at home' lockdown in England, which was decided by whom?

It is interesting you say judge people on what they do... thus judging you off your posts.

[anonymous-user]

robuk said:

Residents in England cant go on holiday until April 12th, and that was decided by whom?

Or do you mean the 'stay at home' lockdown in England, which was decided by whom?

It is interesting you say judge people on what they do... thus judging you off your posts.

Honestly, you're just a bitter nationalist. Drakeford can do no wrong.

He's stated that 'the Union is over' - and blamed anyone but the actions of his small minded bunch of bitter nationalists for it.

I just wish the conspiracies would stop becoming reality, though. I'd prefer to be wrong than see all my worst predictions come true.

[robuk]

Landcrab_Six said:

Honestly, you're just a bitter nationalist. Drakeford can do no wrong.

He's stated that 'the Union is over' - and blamed anyone but the actions of his small minded bunch of bitter nationalists for it.

I just wish the conspiracies would stop becoming reality, though. I'd prefer to be wrong than see all my worst predictions come true.

“What we have to do … is we have to recognise that the union as it is, is over. We have to create a new union."

“We have to demonstrate to people how we can recraft the UK in a way that recognises it as a voluntary association of four nations, in which we choose to pool our sovereignty for common purposes and for common benefits.”



Thats the full quote, clearly stating he wants the UK to continue, as a union. That is exactly the opposite of what welsh nationalists want.

You don't seem to venture further than the odd nutjob tweet find out the detail, but do it, you might stop being such a demonstrable thicko.

[anonymous-user]

He's calling for the end of the formal union - and a voluntary association. Not a union. He is a petty minded little nationalist dictator.

You support him. You are the problem that will destroy the economy of Wales and lead to a brain and wealth drain if he succeeds in his mission.

Perhaps you can stop calling me 'thick' because you don't agree with me and take a long hard look at your insular attitude and the long-term consequences of it.

But I won't hold my breath, because Welsh nationalists are the nastiest and most narrow minded people I've ever had the misfortune to meet. You make the Scottish Nationalists look reasonable and rational.

[saaby93]

Trophy Husband said:

Pit Pony said:

sociopath said:

I'm looking forward to end of march when I can drive 150m from wrexham to cardiff, but apparently I can't drive 7miles up the road to chester because it's in England

But wait, surely the quickest way to Cardiff is via England? Down to the M54, M6, M5, M50, back into Wales.

Don't start me on this!
Westminster has starved Wales of infrastructure spend for decades.
Imagine a motorway from Wrexham to the south?
Holyhead to the ports of South Wales and beyond into the world.

It's one way of solving the M4 Newport tunnels issue

[robuk]

Landcrab_Six said:

Perhaps you can stop calling me 'thick' because you don't agree with me

I call you thick for posting ste like:

Landcrab_Six said:

I'm not one for conspiracies - but it really does look like a crisis is being engineered / figures fudged to justify the economic damage to the nation.


it would appear that the illness caused by the vaccine, for many people, is worse than getting a dose of the virus


No point in saving lives if you destroy livelihoods and the reasons for living.


They wheel out people to give us a scary story - but never back it up with cold hard fact.

You are actually an idiot. Sorry.

[anonymous-user]

robuk said:

You are actually an idiot. Sorry.

It's all accurate. You may choose to bury your head in the sand, but it's all accurate.

Fudged figures, deliberately misleading us and extending lockdown when it goes against published policy.

As for the vaccine - had my first shot yesterday. Feel dreadful today. Much worse than my suspected dose of the real thing a couple of months back.

This is not uncommon, as the virus, for most people, passes either without noticing, or being shrugged off as a bit of a cold.

I truly feel absolutely awful today as a result of the vaccine and wish I'd been more forceful with the family when I said I wasn't happy to take it.

[Trophy Husband]

saaby93 said:

Trophy Husband said:

Pit Pony said:

sociopath said:

I'm looking forward to end of march when I can drive 150m from wrexham to cardiff, but apparently I can't drive 7miles up the road to chester because it's in England

But wait, surely the quickest way to Cardiff is via England? Down to the M54, M6, M5, M50, back into Wales.

Don't start me on this!
Westminster has starved Wales of infrastructure spend for decades.
Imagine a motorway from Wrexham to the south?
Holyhead to the ports of South Wales and beyond into the world.

It's one way of solving the M4 Newport tunnels issue

Indeed it is.
As it stands post Brexit Wales could be a conduit from the EU to the EU and the world via Holyhead and the southern ports. There could be a resurrection of industry, whether steel, coal, meat etc. Who knows?
Wales' problem is that we have no challenging party. It is Labour or............?

[robuk]

Landcrab_Six said:

It's all accurate. You may choose to bury your head in the sand, but it's all accurate.

Fudged figures, deliberately misleading us and extending lockdown when it goes against published policy.

As for the vaccine - had my first shot yesterday. Feel dreadful today. Much worse than my suspected dose of the real thing a couple of months back.

This is not uncommon, as the virus, for most people, passes either without noticing, or being shrugged off as a bit of a cold.

I truly feel absolutely awful today as a result of the vaccine and wish I'd been more forceful with the family when I said I wasn't happy to take it.

Are you one of these people that, as you say, gets 'wheeled out to tell people a scary story'?

How do I know you are not one of them and part of the conspiracy!?

[Sargeant Orange]

The pandemic has effectively been over for weeks now, all that's left to play through is political bluster and for those who predicted the end of the world to somehow try and save face.

The roads and numbers of people about this week is back to last summer levels.

[phil_cardiff]

Landcrab_Six said:

phil_cardiff said:

Drakeford is a Unionist. He's said it many, many times. Do your research.

Is he hell. He's doing his best to break up the UK. Forget what he may have said, judge him on his recent actions (and, indeed, his actions to stop the English entering Wales).

We'll agree to disagree on your interpretation of the facts.

[Pit Pony]

robuk said:

benjipeg said:

dripford is a joke, he is only easing the rules (which are a joke) as he is looking towards the senedd elections, if there was such a risk why would he be allowing door to door campainging.

Leaflets are allowed, door to door canvassing as you describe is specifically not allowed. Where did you discover it apparently was?

https://gov.wales/elections-coronavirus-guidance

"Can political parties, candidates or campaigners engage in canvassing (knocking on doors)?

No. In the current circumstances, canvassing is not a reasonable excuse to leave home. Political parties, candidates and other campaigners are encouraged to consider the full range of means, including social media, available to them to provide information to the electorate about the election."

My sister was phoning people on Ynys Mon yesterday evening, to try to get them to vote in the upcoming l local elections for the liberal demo-craps.

Update on my uncle and potential travel from North West Wales to Devon, by my mother.
He's actually not just got terminal cancer, he's now coughing up blood, and has a collapsed lung, and the throat cancer has stopped him .being able to speak. My cousin, has suggested to my sister that visits, when he gets home, if he gets home, might be very traumatic and need to be short. I've passed on my PH research. Basically. If you have a reasonable excuse to travel, then there is no way they can stop you, and if the police officer who stops you decides to fine you you can appeal.
It does piss me off that the guidance is both vague and different on both sides of the border, but also phrased in a way that you struggle to grasp if it's law or advice.