Welsh lockdown
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The topic was about who can meet who and it certainly was ripped apart, and the regulations and guidance have certainly been examined word for word and challenged.
As usual an out of context clip on social media looks great, but the reality behind it is often much more mundane.
The Welsh Gov press conferences are also all public and archived so you can see the several hours of Q&As around that date if anyone wants to dig back.
As usual an out of context clip on social media looks great, but the reality behind it is often much more mundane.
The Welsh Gov press conferences are also all public and archived so you can see the several hours of Q&As around that date if anyone wants to dig back.
Rh14n said:
Still available on S4C Clic (catch-up) https://www.s4c.cymru/clic/programme/815627824
Thanks.Although it won't play for me.
gareth_r said:
Rh14n said:
Still available on S4C Clic (catch-up) https://www.s4c.cymru/clic/programme/815627824
Thanks.Although it won't play for me.
"It's Welsh you T.... gareth_r said:
This clip is apparently from a documentary - Prif Weinidog mewn Pandemig (First Minister in a Pandemic) that was broadcast on S4C in March.
Unfortunately, it's not available on catch up.
https://mobile.twitter.com/tsaotl/status/139329243...
(Try opening it in a private/incognito tab if you experience problems)
Drakeford: Let's hope nobody is bright enough to ask "Is that 'should' as in regulation, or 'should' as in advice?".
Some other bloke: They're asking already.
Drakeford: Oh s
t! (mumble)
Other bloke: Across the UK.
Did anyone watch it? Was anyone bright enough? (If this was about a press conference, I suspect I know the answer.)
That tweet is in reply to "Stats Jamie" who until recently was Jamie Jenkins candidate for ReformUK (rebranded Brexit Party) as led by er, Nathan Gill. Unfortunately, it's not available on catch up.
https://mobile.twitter.com/tsaotl/status/139329243...
(Try opening it in a private/incognito tab if you experience problems)
Drakeford: Let's hope nobody is bright enough to ask "Is that 'should' as in regulation, or 'should' as in advice?".
Some other bloke: They're asking already.
Drakeford: Oh s
t! (mumble)Other bloke: Across the UK.
Did anyone watch it? Was anyone bright enough? (If this was about a press conference, I suspect I know the answer.)
Edited by gareth_r on Monday 17th May 19:32
The agenda on his 'just the numbers guv' tweets has been growing over recent months so was no shock when he stood. Although its stripped away now, it is hard to see it as 'just the numbers' after that.
phil_cardiff said:
Something like 65% of the population of Wales have received their 1st jab now. Impressive.
I think so too.I have my 2nd next week.
There is now a drop in in Conwy where you can book for the next day if you're over 50.
We can all criticise Drakeford but he's done a good job for his people. Thus far. Politics aside.
dickymint said:
Is it?
Radio4 9:00 this morning - “More or Less” discussion the success of Wales’ vaccine rollout.
The rollout may have been good but where do you think the vaccines came from?Radio4 9:00 this morning - “More or Less” discussion the success of Wales’ vaccine rollout.
Drakeford has been said to have handled the pandemic well but in fact he's done very little, the uk government provided what was needed, Drakeford just made up some different rules for Wales to get himself on tv.
robuk said:
England: opens COVID bookings to 30 and 31 year olds
Wales: have already jabbed half their 18 to 29 year olds
Why, if it is just down to UK Gov, would UK Gov leave England behind like that?
Wales Population - 3 millionWales: have already jabbed half their 18 to 29 year olds
Why, if it is just down to UK Gov, would UK Gov leave England behind like that?
England Population - 55 million
Probably something to do with that I'd expect.
3M vs 56M.
Less religious / cultural variation in Wales, greater uptake / acceptance.
Weren’t the vaccines procured through Westminster?
I’m 32 and had my first vaccine, Wife is 28 and had hers, I went with her (previous history of passing out!) and they offered me one as someone hadn’t turned up.
Absolutely brilliantly managed rollout in fairness, but not really comparable to England with 6-7% of the population.
Less religious / cultural variation in Wales, greater uptake / acceptance.
Weren’t the vaccines procured through Westminster?
I’m 32 and had my first vaccine, Wife is 28 and had hers, I went with her (previous history of passing out!) and they offered me one as someone hadn’t turned up.
Absolutely brilliantly managed rollout in fairness, but not really comparable to England with 6-7% of the population.
robuk said:
England: opens COVID bookings to 30 and 31 year olds
Wales: have already jabbed half their 18 to 29 year olds
Why, if it is just down to UK Gov, would UK Gov leave England behind like that?
Wales: have already jabbed half their 18 to 29 year olds
Why, if it is just down to UK Gov, would UK Gov leave England behind like that?
Don't know but probably down to the fact that a higher proportion of English have have their second jab, I'd like to think that the vaccines are fairly distributed around the uk.
There is interesting detail on https://twitter.com/paulmainwood/status/1395681371...
Some interesting data and policy info there, eg. local delivery plans v national etc.
Or its just population / someone wanting to be on S4C to an audience of 10 people and a dog.
thattweetthread said:
I talk a lot about Wales' ability to get ahead on administering vaccine doses, despite being allocated the same supply as the rest of the UK.
No change today.
I *think* Wales made an important decision in mid-Feb that set things up for today.
Warning: Speculation ahead. (1/9)
....
In the first months of 2021, the UK and the EU were yelling at one another. The EU's vaccine roll-out was stalling, and they threated to restrict exports, which would affect stock from Pfizer's plant in Belgium
Suddenly, the UK stopped its roll-out of Pfizer first doses. (2/9)
....
We can speculate as to why. I've written before of the the EU shipments continuing and the UK building a blockade-proof Pfizer stockpile. Or perhaps there was some foresight that mRNA might be needed for younger ages.
Either way, the UK built up its stocks.
Wales didn't.
....
Wales decided to store these Pfizer doses not in warehouses, but in arms. They brought forward second doses. This can be seen most clearly if you separate the cumulative line graph into 1st and 2nd doses.
It's Welsh *second* doses that accelerate in late Feb / early March.
(4/9)
No change today.
I *think* Wales made an important decision in mid-Feb that set things up for today.
Warning: Speculation ahead. (1/9)
....
In the first months of 2021, the UK and the EU were yelling at one another. The EU's vaccine roll-out was stalling, and they threated to restrict exports, which would affect stock from Pfizer's plant in Belgium
Suddenly, the UK stopped its roll-out of Pfizer first doses. (2/9)
....
We can speculate as to why. I've written before of the the EU shipments continuing and the UK building a blockade-proof Pfizer stockpile. Or perhaps there was some foresight that mRNA might be needed for younger ages.
Either way, the UK built up its stocks.
Wales didn't.
....
Wales decided to store these Pfizer doses not in warehouses, but in arms. They brought forward second doses. This can be seen most clearly if you separate the cumulative line graph into 1st and 2nd doses.
It's Welsh *second* doses that accelerate in late Feb / early March.
(4/9)
Some interesting data and policy info there, eg. local delivery plans v national etc.
Or its just population / someone wanting to be on S4C to an audience of 10 people and a dog.
oakdale said:
robuk said:
England: opens COVID bookings to 30 and 31 year olds
Wales: have already jabbed half their 18 to 29 year olds
Why, if it is just down to UK Gov, would UK Gov leave England behind like that?
Wales: have already jabbed half their 18 to 29 year olds
Why, if it is just down to UK Gov, would UK Gov leave England behind like that?
Don't know but probably down to the fact that a higher proportion of English have have their second jab, I'd like to think that the vaccines are fairly distributed around the uk.
So whilst vaccines have been procured centrally, I have to credit the Welsh Government for their roll out. Even my 20yr old barber has had his.
phil_cardiff said:
oakdale said:
robuk said:
England: opens COVID bookings to 30 and 31 year olds
Wales: have already jabbed half their 18 to 29 year olds
Why, if it is just down to UK Gov, would UK Gov leave England behind like that?
Wales: have already jabbed half their 18 to 29 year olds
Why, if it is just down to UK Gov, would UK Gov leave England behind like that?
Don't know but probably down to the fact that a higher proportion of English have have their second jab, I'd like to think that the vaccines are fairly distributed around the uk.
So whilst vaccines have been procured centrally, I have to credit the Welsh Government for their roll out. Even my 20yr old barber has had his.
dickymint said:
phil_cardiff said:
oakdale said:
robuk said:
England: opens COVID bookings to 30 and 31 year olds
Wales: have already jabbed half their 18 to 29 year olds
Why, if it is just down to UK Gov, would UK Gov leave England behind like that?
Wales: have already jabbed half their 18 to 29 year olds
Why, if it is just down to UK Gov, would UK Gov leave England behind like that?
Don't know but probably down to the fact that a higher proportion of English have have their second jab, I'd like to think that the vaccines are fairly distributed around the uk.
So whilst vaccines have been procured centrally, I have to credit the Welsh Government for their roll out. Even my 20yr old barber has had his.
MG CHRIS said:
It's like people completely forgot about the dreadfully slow start they had while holding stock in January it was only after massive attention on it that things moved along.
This.Everyone has extremely short memories with this.
The initial vaccine rollout in Wales was appalling. Only after media attention and a scandal did it turn around.
If the rest of what WG did got so much media attention perhaps the entire country wouldn't be as far behind the rest of the UK in other non-covid areas.
Matt.. said:
MG CHRIS said:
It's like people completely forgot about the dreadfully slow start they had while holding stock in January it was only after massive attention on it that things moved along.
This.Everyone has extremely short memories with this.
The initial vaccine rollout in Wales was appalling. Only after media attention and a scandal did it turn around.
If the rest of what WG did got so much media attention perhaps the entire country wouldn't be as far behind the rest of the UK in other non-covid areas.
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