Welsh lockdown
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Anyone over 18 that lives or works in Cardiff can go to the mass vaccination centre before the end of the month without appointment. For once Cardiff is doing well with this.
I’ve not enjoyed being in Wales during this pandemic, but it is good to see some success (clearly helped by UK Gov and a scandal or two!).
I’ve not enjoyed being in Wales during this pandemic, but it is good to see some success (clearly helped by UK Gov and a scandal or two!).
Matt.. said:
MG CHRIS said:
It's like people completely forgot about the dreadfully slow start they had while holding stock in January it was only after massive attention on it that things moved along.
This.Everyone has extremely short memories with this.
The initial vaccine rollout in Wales was appalling. Only after media attention and a scandal did it turn around.
If the rest of what WG did got so much media attention perhaps the entire country wouldn't be as far behind the rest of the UK in other non-covid areas.
At the start the Welsh Government were confident they'd pick up the pace as they mobilised. Remember the "It's not a sprint" quote that was roundly criticised? Turns out Drakeford was right.
The idea that the Welsh Government only got their act together due to media scrutiny is scarcely believable.
If people are focusing on the first few weeks of vaccinations rather than the entire picture then I don't know what to say.
phil_cardiff said:
Well that's an interesting interpretation.
At the start the Welsh Government were confident they'd pick up the pace as they mobilised. Remember the "It's not a sprint" quote that was roundly criticised? Turns out Drakeford was right.
The idea that the Welsh Government only got their act together due to media scrutiny is scarcely believable.
If people are focusing on the first few weeks of vaccinations rather than the entire picture then I don't know what to say.
Exactly... Is everybody vaccinated now? At the start the Welsh Government were confident they'd pick up the pace as they mobilised. Remember the "It's not a sprint" quote that was roundly criticised? Turns out Drakeford was right.
The idea that the Welsh Government only got their act together due to media scrutiny is scarcely believable.
If people are focusing on the first few weeks of vaccinations rather than the entire picture then I don't know what to say.
I can't help but feel that politics has become so tribal now that it's almost like supporting a football team.
Anything red = bad, anything blue = good and vice versa.
It's actually sad to see. Why can't we praise good when we see it (vaccine procurement centrally, vaccine roll-out in Wales) and criticise the bad ("Let the bodies pile up", inconsistent exit of Welsh lockdown)?
Anything red = bad, anything blue = good and vice versa.
It's actually sad to see. Why can't we praise good when we see it (vaccine procurement centrally, vaccine roll-out in Wales) and criticise the bad ("Let the bodies pile up", inconsistent exit of Welsh lockdown)?
Matt.. said:
MG CHRIS said:
It's like people completely forgot about the dreadfully slow start they had while holding stock in January it was only after massive attention on it that things moved along.
This.Everyone has extremely short memories with this.
The initial vaccine rollout in Wales was appalling. Only after media attention and a scandal did it turn around.
If the rest of what WG did got so much media attention perhaps the entire country wouldn't be as far behind the rest of the UK in other non-covid areas.
Evanivitch said:
Matt.. said:
MG CHRIS said:
It's like people completely forgot about the dreadfully slow start they had while holding stock in January it was only after massive attention on it that things moved along.
This.Everyone has extremely short memories with this.
The initial vaccine rollout in Wales was appalling. Only after media attention and a scandal did it turn around.
If the rest of what WG did got so much media attention perhaps the entire country wouldn't be as far behind the rest of the UK in other non-covid areas.
The initial rollout was poor, it has now picked up, to suggest it was a good idea to slowly distribute the vaccines so that the stock lasted was a cretinous idea.
Our local vaccination centre is the ‘Rainbow’ Hospital that was set up, yet hardly used, for CV patients, so the £5/10/15/20M (?) that was wasted and not doing anything was already a viable facility, I’m sure they managed to waste a few more £M though.
Lord.Vader said:
Evanivitch said:
Matt.. said:
MG CHRIS said:
It's like people completely forgot about the dreadfully slow start they had while holding stock in January it was only after massive attention on it that things moved along.
This.Everyone has extremely short memories with this.
The initial vaccine rollout in Wales was appalling. Only after media attention and a scandal did it turn around.
If the rest of what WG did got so much media attention perhaps the entire country wouldn't be as far behind the rest of the UK in other non-covid areas.
The initial rollout was poor, it has now picked up, to suggest it was a good idea to slowly distribute the vaccines so that the stock lasted was a cretinous idea.
Our local vaccination centre is the ‘Rainbow’ Hospital that was set up, yet hardly used, for CV patients, so the £5/10/15/20M (?) that was wasted and not doing anything was already a viable facility, I’m sure they managed to waste a few more £M though.
When I visited in volunteering capacity just before Christmas they had 12 patients on site.
Lord.Vader said:
Yet behind on second doses, don’t just use the data that suits your point.
By 3% to England. 
Lord.Vader said:
The initial rollout was poor, it has now picked up, to suggest it was a good idea to slowly distribute the vaccines so that the stock lasted was a cretinous idea.
It was never so the stock lasted, it was to ensure the processes in place were robust before otherwise committing to a strategy that was inefficient. And Wales has proven that the strategy worked. Closing and reopening vaccination centres is an inefficient way to enable process improvement.ETA, BBC More or Less covers the Wales strategy just this week. It's the first feature in the podcast.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000wc4t
Edited by Evanivitch on Thursday 27th May 08:55
Evanivitch said:
Matt.. said:
MG CHRIS said:
It's like people completely forgot about the dreadfully slow start they had while holding stock in January it was only after massive attention on it that things moved along.
This.Everyone has extremely short memories with this.
The initial vaccine rollout in Wales was appalling. Only after media attention and a scandal did it turn around.
If the rest of what WG did got so much media attention perhaps the entire country wouldn't be as far behind the rest of the UK in other non-covid areas.
Vanden Saab said:
Wales were able to do it because they know that they will be bailed out on second doses by the rest of the UK which is holding stock in case of a shortage
That would be the vaccine supply that is strictly rolled out via the barnett formula, so what you say is not possibly true? No issue with political views / bias, but just making stuff up needs calling out sorry.
Evanivitch said:
Except it was always the WG plan to have a slower start whilst processes and facilities were properly prepared and ramped up. And that's proven to payback, as we're now 13% ahead for first vaccine than any other UK nation. When in late January we were 1.5% behind.
Wales only has 3.1 Million people. England has 55.8 Million. So you would need an infrastructure 18 times as large to be able to vaccinate at the same rate as Wales.England has 1031 GP led vaccination services, 267 Hospital hubs, 160 vaccination centres and 599 Pharmacies ( https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/publication...) therefore Wales would only need 120 combined sites to be able to beat England's vaccination rate (all other things being equal). Unfortunately I can't find any list of sites for Wales as unlike all the other nations in the UK they haven't published them. Not to put Wales down (good to see them getting it done) but there is a big difference in scale that comparing percentages hide.
Jinx said:
Wales only has 3.1 Million people. England has 55.8 Million. So you would need an infrastructure 18 times as large to be able to vaccinate at the same rate as Wales.
England has 1031 GP led vaccination services, 267 Hospital hubs, 160 vaccination centres and 599 Pharmacies ( https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/publication...) therefore Wales would only need 120 combined sites to be able to beat England's vaccination rate (all other things being equal). Unfortunately I can't find any list of sites for Wales as unlike all the other nations in the UK they haven't published them. Not to put Wales down (good to see them getting it done) but there is a big difference in scale that comparing percentages hide.
Correct but England has a proportionally larger social care and NHS system, and England also has a much higher population density, meaning you need fewer centres to be within close proximity to one.England has 1031 GP led vaccination services, 267 Hospital hubs, 160 vaccination centres and 599 Pharmacies ( https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/publication...) therefore Wales would only need 120 combined sites to be able to beat England's vaccination rate (all other things being equal). Unfortunately I can't find any list of sites for Wales as unlike all the other nations in the UK they haven't published them. Not to put Wales down (good to see them getting it done) but there is a big difference in scale that comparing percentages hide.
But that doesn't explain why Wales is also significantly ahead of Scotland and Northern Ireland (by almost the same vaccinations the rate as England) which have similar population statistics.
Matt.. said:
Anyone over 18 that lives or works in Cardiff can go to the mass vaccination centre before the end of the month without appointment. For once Cardiff is doing well with this.
I’ve not enjoyed being in Wales during this pandemic, but it is good to see some success (clearly helped by UK Gov and a scandal or two!).
Is the WG going to start vaccinating the younger children too?I’ve not enjoyed being in Wales during this pandemic, but it is good to see some success (clearly helped by UK Gov and a scandal or two!).
purplepenguin said:
Matt.. said:
Anyone over 18 that lives or works in Cardiff can go to the mass vaccination centre before the end of the month without appointment. For once Cardiff is doing well with this.
I’ve not enjoyed being in Wales during this pandemic, but it is good to see some success (clearly helped by UK Gov and a scandal or two!).
Is the WG going to start vaccinating the younger children too?I’ve not enjoyed being in Wales during this pandemic, but it is good to see some success (clearly helped by UK Gov and a scandal or two!).
"Speaking to ITV Wales' Sharp End programme, Mr Drakeford said: "Some of the forms of vaccination are now beginning to get a licence for children as early as the age of 12. So we're watching that very carefully
"If there is a vaccine that gets that licence for use here in Wales, then I think we are very likely to want to take advantage of that," he said.
"It may be that you know later this year, even, we will be able to have a programme in our secondary schools offering those young people a vaccination which would make schools even safer than they are now."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-57157...
dickymint said:
Maybe...........
"Speaking to ITV Wales' Sharp End programme, Mr Drakeford said: "Some of the forms of vaccination are now beginning to get a licence for children as early as the age of 12. So we're watching that very carefully
"If there is a vaccine that gets that licence for use here in Wales, then I think we are very likely to want to take advantage of that," he said.
"It may be that you know later this year, even, we will be able to have a programme in our secondary schools offering those young people a vaccination which would make schools even safer than they are now."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-57157...
Anti-vaxxers frothing at the mouth."Speaking to ITV Wales' Sharp End programme, Mr Drakeford said: "Some of the forms of vaccination are now beginning to get a licence for children as early as the age of 12. So we're watching that very carefully
"If there is a vaccine that gets that licence for use here in Wales, then I think we are very likely to want to take advantage of that," he said.
"It may be that you know later this year, even, we will be able to have a programme in our secondary schools offering those young people a vaccination which would make schools even safer than they are now."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-57157...
Evanivitch said:
dickymint said:
Maybe...........
"Speaking to ITV Wales' Sharp End programme, Mr Drakeford said: "Some of the forms of vaccination are now beginning to get a licence for children as early as the age of 12. So we're watching that very carefully
"If there is a vaccine that gets that licence for use here in Wales, then I think we are very likely to want to take advantage of that," he said.
"It may be that you know later this year, even, we will be able to have a programme in our secondary schools offering those young people a vaccination which would make schools even safer than they are now."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-57157...
Anti-vaxxers frothing at the mouth."Speaking to ITV Wales' Sharp End programme, Mr Drakeford said: "Some of the forms of vaccination are now beginning to get a licence for children as early as the age of 12. So we're watching that very carefully
"If there is a vaccine that gets that licence for use here in Wales, then I think we are very likely to want to take advantage of that," he said.
"It may be that you know later this year, even, we will be able to have a programme in our secondary schools offering those young people a vaccination which would make schools even safer than they are now."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-57157...
Matt.. said:
Anyone over 18 that lives or works in Cardiff can go to the mass vaccination centre before the end of the month without appointment. For once Cardiff is doing well with this.
I’ve not enjoyed being in Wales during this pandemic, but it is good to see some success (clearly helped by UK Gov and a scandal or two!).
Fair warning to anyone heading down to Bayside for a Jab this weekend, my Wife is working Sunday and 1) she regrets booking that shift as she hadn't realised it was a BH w/e 2) She's just found out our summer holiday (France) will likely not go ahead 3) She's planning a Drink or two Saturday night 4) Last shift she was given a load of 'bad boy teenagers from Ely' last shift who all came in, with hoodies on, swearing, not wearing their masks properly and then cried their littler hearts out before she given said "sharp scratch". 5) She doesn't have a good feeling about ' walk ins'.I’ve not enjoyed being in Wales during this pandemic, but it is good to see some success (clearly helped by UK Gov and a scandal or two!).
She's a highly skilled consummate professional, but if anyone gives her s
t, she might take a bit of a run up on the jab. Evanivitch said:
wobert said:
Out of interest which licences are those, given the current vaccinations are being supplied and used under emergency licence terms?
Current vaccines are supplied and used under temporary licence terms, not emergency.So what about vaccinating under 18s, temporary licence as per adults or not?
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