Welsh lockdown
Discussion
MG CHRIS said:
BoRED S2upid said:
MG CHRIS said:
So is drakeford now not listening to the science because the scientist are saying we shouldn't release any further. Also how can we be at zero with cases over 1k a day when we were on level 4 at below 200.
Because deaths are at rock bottom. Cases will continue to rise as with anything people catch viruses all the time. Read something from the ONS yesterday that all deaths in England and Wales in a week only 1% are covid related.
We all need to get on with our lives.
Thanks to the Vaccine Covid 19, is a far, far, far less lethal virus than it was 4 months ago.
We're at a stage now when the vaccine roll out is coming to an end. Cardiff Bay MVC is pretty much done with AZ, bar walk-in stragglers, they're down to people in their early 30s so they'll be done with it by the weekend I'd guess. On the Pfizer side they're down to early 20s, my Sister who's 23 had her second on Sunday, they'll be done with them in a week or two. My Wife who works 'Bank' there has been told she won't be needed in August at all, but more than likely will be going back in Sept for boosters or possibly over-12s.
I know there's more to Wales than just Cardiff, but we're by far the most densely populated area so numbers here matter for the rest of the nation.
I agree, communication has often been poor, we've been given benchmarks in which restrictions would ben lifted time and again and they've usually been ignored. I can't put my hands on them, but by the measure of what was said back before the firebreak, we should have been completely free of restrictions months ago, I guess we can blame Delta for that, we could blame Boris for not putting India on the red list, but it didn't stop it reaching pretty much every other country on earth.
There will be more details after 5pm today I guess, but I'd bet it's masks for the foreseeable.
wobert said:
Sargeant Orange said:
I don't think they've grasped the level of dislike for face masks. For those equidistant from Bristol/Cardiff it will simply drive Welsh consumers over the border, and similarly for those living close to the border elsewhere.
I don't see a proposed end date for masks in there unless I've missed it
This….I don't see a proposed end date for masks in there unless I've missed it
I live less than a mile from the border.
So I will heading to England to do my shopping sans face-covering.
You might as well just do what one covid loon ('its just the flu' 'it does not exist' etc) I am aware of locally has done - printed off his own exempt lanyard. He can't stop telling everyone what a genius he is for doing so.
Do that, carry on as you would anyway in welsh shops, and people can give you a wide berth. Just dont be a d
head about it like this chap is to everyone he encounters.
Do that, carry on as you would anyway in welsh shops, and people can give you a wide berth. Just dont be a d
head about it like this chap is to everyone he encounters. MG CHRIS said:
BoRED S2upid said:
MG CHRIS said:
So is drakeford now not listening to the science because the scientist are saying we shouldn't release any further. Also how can we be at zero with cases over 1k a day when we were on level 4 at below 200.
Because deaths are at rock bottom. Cases will continue to rise as with anything people catch viruses all the time. Read something from the ONS yesterday that all deaths in England and Wales in a week only 1% are covid related.
We all need to get on with our lives.
P-Jay said:
Byker28i said:
P-Jay said:
I'd love to comply, I've had some great Holidays in Wales and the rest of the UK, but I don't belong to the stereotypical 6 (or is it 7 now?) figure salary, multiple directorship PH group so can't afford £7k for a week in a Caravan in Tenby.
If we didn't share this Island with 63m other souls who aren't being restricted I'd have more inclination to follow it, but, and I think this is something MD uses as a political tool more than anything else, a line drawn on a map won't stop CV coming into Wales from England.
Not to mention, as Australia and sadly, soon NZ have learnt, you can't keep variants out, unless you're prepared to go all the way with it.
I'm off to France, their numbers are about 10% of ours (the UK), well pending the full details later, because you need to check the small print with this st.
Are the prices because only the expensive stuff is left, or profiteering over whats left? Everything seems pretty well booked up locally, although I'd stay clear of Tenby, horribly full of tourists on the summer with associated traffic problems... If we didn't share this Island with 63m other souls who aren't being restricted I'd have more inclination to follow it, but, and I think this is something MD uses as a political tool more than anything else, a line drawn on a map won't stop CV coming into Wales from England.
Not to mention, as Australia and sadly, soon NZ have learnt, you can't keep variants out, unless you're prepared to go all the way with it.
I'm off to France, their numbers are about 10% of ours (the UK), well pending the full details later, because you need to check the small print with this s
t. 
I tried Bluestone, our go-to weekend Break, they were completely booked up for the rest of the year.
Frankly I'm glad I took a gamble on booking a Chalet in Morzine back in Feb, I got the tunnel, a large Chalet and a Holiday camp on the way down for 2 nights for a relative pittance, once England allowed vaccine passports our agent said his inbox went crazy, if, as expected France and the UK announce mutual green list status tomorrow, it will kick off again I guess.
44k cases in Spain yesterday I think.
robuk said:
You might as well just do what one covid loon ('its just the flu' 'it does not exist' etc) I am aware of locally has done - printed off his own exempt lanyard. He can't stop telling everyone what a genius he is for doing so.
Do that, carry on as you would anyway in welsh shops, and people can give you a wide berth. Just dont be a dhead about it like this chap is to everyone he encounters.
If you print off an exemption because you don't like the mild inconvenience of a mask, you are being a dDo that, carry on as you would anyway in welsh shops, and people can give you a wide berth. Just dont be a d
head about it like this chap is to everyone he encounters. head about it regardless of if you tell people or not. wobert said:
Sargeant Orange said:
I don't think they've grasped the level of dislike for face masks. For those equidistant from Bristol/Cardiff it will simply drive Welsh consumers over the border, and similarly for those living close to the border elsewhere.
I don't see a proposed end date for masks in there unless I've missed it
This….I don't see a proposed end date for masks in there unless I've missed it
I live less than a mile from the border.
So I will heading to England to do my shopping sans face-covering.
As for masks I don't know anybody in my town that has moaned about wearing them.
robuk said:
You might as well just do what one covid loon ('its just the flu' 'it does not exist' etc) I am aware of locally has done - printed off his own exempt lanyard. He can't stop telling everyone what a genius he is for doing so.
Do that, carry on as you would anyway in welsh shops, and people can give you a wide berth. Just dont be a dhead about it like this chap is to everyone he encounters.
Why even bother with is my thinking either wear one or not most don't give a dam either nowin my experience.Do that, carry on as you would anyway in welsh shops, and people can give you a wide berth. Just dont be a d
head about it like this chap is to everyone he encounters. Escy said:
If you print off an exemption because you don't like the mild inconvenience of a mask, you are being a dhead about it regardless of if you tell people or not.
I agree. head about it regardless of if you tell people or not. Basically what people are saying on this thread is they won't support welsh businesses for that mild inconvenience. They will be back complaining about economic impacts of pandemic no doubt.
P-Jay said:
I know there's more to Wales than just Cardiff, but we're by far the most densely populated area so numbers here matter for the rest of the nation.
Lets be honest, it's the area a lot of the infections started, with flights coming in etc.So do be careful on your foreign holiday, they aren't as vaccinated as us
robuk said:
Escy said:
If you print off an exemption because you don't like the mild inconvenience of a mask, you are being a dhead about it regardless of if you tell people or not.
I agree. head about it regardless of if you tell people or not. Basically what people are saying on this thread is they won't support welsh businesses for that mild inconvenience. They will be back complaining about economic impacts of pandemic no doubt.
I've got U-Masks - same as the F1 teams use, one from Mercedes, one from McLaren and they are really comfy, which was important when I've been doing long flights for work and sitting in airports over the last year. 22 hour flights and having to wear a mask, it's amazing how soon you get used to them, yet some people complain about 5 mins in a shop...
London424 said:
P-Jay said:
Byker28i said:
P-Jay said:
I'd love to comply, I've had some great Holidays in Wales and the rest of the UK, but I don't belong to the stereotypical 6 (or is it 7 now?) figure salary, multiple directorship PH group so can't afford £7k for a week in a Caravan in Tenby.
If we didn't share this Island with 63m other souls who aren't being restricted I'd have more inclination to follow it, but, and I think this is something MD uses as a political tool more than anything else, a line drawn on a map won't stop CV coming into Wales from England.
Not to mention, as Australia and sadly, soon NZ have learnt, you can't keep variants out, unless you're prepared to go all the way with it.
I'm off to France, their numbers are about 10% of ours (the UK), well pending the full details later, because you need to check the small print with this st.
Are the prices because only the expensive stuff is left, or profiteering over whats left? Everything seems pretty well booked up locally, although I'd stay clear of Tenby, horribly full of tourists on the summer with associated traffic problems... If we didn't share this Island with 63m other souls who aren't being restricted I'd have more inclination to follow it, but, and I think this is something MD uses as a political tool more than anything else, a line drawn on a map won't stop CV coming into Wales from England.
Not to mention, as Australia and sadly, soon NZ have learnt, you can't keep variants out, unless you're prepared to go all the way with it.
I'm off to France, their numbers are about 10% of ours (the UK), well pending the full details later, because you need to check the small print with this s
t. I tried Bluestone, our go-to weekend Break, they were completely booked up for the rest of the year.
Frankly I'm glad I took a gamble on booking a Chalet in Morzine back in Feb, I got the tunnel, a large Chalet and a Holiday camp on the way down for 2 nights for a relative pittance, once England allowed vaccine passports our agent said his inbox went crazy, if, as expected France and the UK announce mutual green list status tomorrow, it will kick off again I guess.
44k cases in Spain yesterday I think.
robuk said:
I agree.
Basically what people are saying on this thread is they won't support welsh businesses for that mild inconvenience. They will be back complaining about economic impacts of pandemic no doubt.
Presumably that comment is aimed at my earlier response?Basically what people are saying on this thread is they won't support welsh businesses for that mild inconvenience. They will be back complaining about economic impacts of pandemic no doubt.
Face masks or not, it’s a free country to shop where I like.
I have the choice, based on my location to shop either in England or Wales. My right to do so is entirely mine, I do not have to justify that decision.
Drakeford has to accept that if people choose to make the same choice and it affects the Welsh economy, then the responsibility for that lies with his decision and his decision alone.
Cause and effect, nothing more.
Welshbeef said:
London424 said:
P-Jay said:
Byker28i said:
P-Jay said:
I'd love to comply, I've had some great Holidays in Wales and the rest of the UK, but I don't belong to the stereotypical 6 (or is it 7 now?) figure salary, multiple directorship PH group so can't afford £7k for a week in a Caravan in Tenby.
If we didn't share this Island with 63m other souls who aren't being restricted I'd have more inclination to follow it, but, and I think this is something MD uses as a political tool more than anything else, a line drawn on a map won't stop CV coming into Wales from England.
Not to mention, as Australia and sadly, soon NZ have learnt, you can't keep variants out, unless you're prepared to go all the way with it.
I'm off to France, their numbers are about 10% of ours (the UK), well pending the full details later, because you need to check the small print with this st.
Are the prices because only the expensive stuff is left, or profiteering over whats left? Everything seems pretty well booked up locally, although I'd stay clear of Tenby, horribly full of tourists on the summer with associated traffic problems... If we didn't share this Island with 63m other souls who aren't being restricted I'd have more inclination to follow it, but, and I think this is something MD uses as a political tool more than anything else, a line drawn on a map won't stop CV coming into Wales from England.
Not to mention, as Australia and sadly, soon NZ have learnt, you can't keep variants out, unless you're prepared to go all the way with it.
I'm off to France, their numbers are about 10% of ours (the UK), well pending the full details later, because you need to check the small print with this s
t. I tried Bluestone, our go-to weekend Break, they were completely booked up for the rest of the year.
Frankly I'm glad I took a gamble on booking a Chalet in Morzine back in Feb, I got the tunnel, a large Chalet and a Holiday camp on the way down for 2 nights for a relative pittance, once England allowed vaccine passports our agent said his inbox went crazy, if, as expected France and the UK announce mutual green list status tomorrow, it will kick off again I guess.
44k cases in Spain yesterday I think.
Byker28i said:
Lets be honest, it's the area a lot of the infections started, with flights coming in etc.
So do be careful on your foreign holiday, they aren't as vaccinated as us
Oh God aye, the kids were still hoping to visit Eurodisney! I've veto'd that, the last thing I need is to spend an extra 10 days in France because one of them flunks the return test. So do be careful on your foreign holiday, they aren't as vaccinated as us
I admit, traveling at the moment isn't the most sensible thing to do, but they need a Holiday, especially my Wife, between losing her Dad to Covid and the hardest 18 months (give or take) in Nursing she's ever experienced, I really didn't fancy the idea of a 'staycaytion' for them.
wobert said:
Presumably that comment is aimed at my earlier response?
Face masks or not, it’s a free country to shop where I like.
I have the choice, based on my location to shop either in England or Wales. My right to do so is entirely mine, I do not have to justify that decision.
Drakeford has to accept that if people choose to make the same choice and it affects the Welsh economy, then the responsibility for that lies with his decision and his decision alone.
Cause and effect, nothing more.
You could pop a face covering (not a mask in Wales) on for a couple of minutes and support welsh shops with near zero impact to your life. You are not. Face masks or not, it’s a free country to shop where I like.
I have the choice, based on my location to shop either in England or Wales. My right to do so is entirely mine, I do not have to justify that decision.
Drakeford has to accept that if people choose to make the same choice and it affects the Welsh economy, then the responsibility for that lies with his decision and his decision alone.
Cause and effect, nothing more.
Your choice as you say, so suck it up when people think that is a bit thin when you have a whinge about economic impacts.
Pop a cover on, shop in Wales. That is the choice I will be making, and will be supporting welsh businesses who have had a tough time.
Genuinely the only people I encounter with an issue with wearing face coverings is online.
robuk said:
wobert said:
Presumably that comment is aimed at my earlier response?
Face masks or not, it’s a free country to shop where I like.
I have the choice, based on my location to shop either in England or Wales. My right to do so is entirely mine, I do not have to justify that decision.
Drakeford has to accept that if people choose to make the same choice and it affects the Welsh economy, then the responsibility for that lies with his decision and his decision alone.
Cause and effect, nothing more.
You could pop a face covering (not a mask in Wales) on for a couple of minutes and support welsh shops with near zero impact to your life. You are not. Face masks or not, it’s a free country to shop where I like.
I have the choice, based on my location to shop either in England or Wales. My right to do so is entirely mine, I do not have to justify that decision.
Drakeford has to accept that if people choose to make the same choice and it affects the Welsh economy, then the responsibility for that lies with his decision and his decision alone.
Cause and effect, nothing more.
Your choice as you say, so suck it up when people think that is a bit thin when you have a whinge about economic impacts.
Pop a cover on, shop in Wales. That is the choice I will be making, and will be supporting welsh businesses who have had a tough time.
Genuinely the only people I encounter with an issue with wearing face coverings is online.
wobert said:
robuk said:
I agree.
Basically what people are saying on this thread is they won't support welsh businesses for that mild inconvenience. They will be back complaining about economic impacts of pandemic no doubt.
Presumably that comment is aimed at my earlier response?Basically what people are saying on this thread is they won't support welsh businesses for that mild inconvenience. They will be back complaining about economic impacts of pandemic no doubt.
Face masks or not, it’s a free country to shop where I like.
I have the choice, based on my location to shop either in England or Wales. My right to do so is entirely mine, I do not have to justify that decision.
Drakeford has to accept that if people choose to make the same choice and it affects the Welsh economy, then the responsibility for that lies with his decision and his decision alone.
Cause and effect, nothing more.
robuk said:
wobert said:
Presumably that comment is aimed at my earlier response?
Face masks or not, it’s a free country to shop where I like.
I have the choice, based on my location to shop either in England or Wales. My right to do so is entirely mine, I do not have to justify that decision.
Drakeford has to accept that if people choose to make the same choice and it affects the Welsh economy, then the responsibility for that lies with his decision and his decision alone.
Cause and effect, nothing more.
You could pop a face covering (not a mask in Wales) on for a couple of minutes and support welsh shops with near zero impact to your life. You are not. Face masks or not, it’s a free country to shop where I like.
I have the choice, based on my location to shop either in England or Wales. My right to do so is entirely mine, I do not have to justify that decision.
Drakeford has to accept that if people choose to make the same choice and it affects the Welsh economy, then the responsibility for that lies with his decision and his decision alone.
Cause and effect, nothing more.
Your choice as you say, so suck it up when people think that is a bit thin when you have a whinge about economic impacts.
Pop a cover on, shop in Wales. That is the choice I will be making, and will be supporting welsh businesses who have had a tough time.
Genuinely the only people I encounter with an issue with wearing face coverings is online.
My view is that now is not the time to buy my booze "out of town".
Edited:
Edited by dickymint on Thursday 15th July 13:22
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