Welsh lockdown
Discussion
Escy said:
I don't understand all the ignorance around the facts and the outrage.
A birthday card isn't essential, you might want to pick one up with your shopping, that's fair enough and a mild inconvenience. Some people will make a trip out just for a birthday card and that's not right which is what's trying to be stopped. Since birthday card shops have been forced to close, it's not fair to allow supermarkets to sell them, it's an unfair advantage. I know everyone just turns to the Internet but they are at least having a crack at trying to level the playing field.
I don't understand the use of the word of ignorance. You have an incredibly supercilious tone on this thread (as does Phil Cardiff). It is nothing to do with ignorance. People think that these rules are nonsensical and scattershot. You say it is 'levelling the playing field' yet it is really doing nothing of the sort. Those small shops are still closed! No business is being taken from them as they can't sell their goods anyway!A birthday card isn't essential, you might want to pick one up with your shopping, that's fair enough and a mild inconvenience. Some people will make a trip out just for a birthday card and that's not right which is what's trying to be stopped. Since birthday card shops have been forced to close, it's not fair to allow supermarkets to sell them, it's an unfair advantage. I know everyone just turns to the Internet but they are at least having a crack at trying to level the playing field.
These rules are supposed to be helping control the spread of the virus. If picking up a 'non-essential' item in a supermarket will stop that from happening then so be it. But do you really think an infectious virus can be controlled through blocking off certain aisles in a supermarket that otherwise remains open.
If the rules don't help to that end then they should not be there.
Jimboka said:
Is Amazon banned in Wales?
You can be in your supermarket. Walk past a taped off shelf of birthday cards.
Then buy on Amazon & get some random van driver to drop it off at your house (cheaper no doubt).
The richest man in the world gets richer. Welsh shops poorer.
I'm trying to buy online products anywhere but amazon. You can be in your supermarket. Walk past a taped off shelf of birthday cards.
Then buy on Amazon & get some random van driver to drop it off at your house (cheaper no doubt).
The richest man in the world gets richer. Welsh shops poorer.
Just had an electric wall heater delivered by Parcel force which was ordered from tool station. Ordered at 3.55 Pm yesterday. Arrived at 8.15 am this morning.
The theory is if there are less things available for purchase, less people make non essential trips and the better the chance of these measures actually producing results. If I owned an electrical store and was forced to close I wouldn't be pleased to see Tesco allowed to sell the same stuff during the lockdown.
It's not perfect but I'm not spitting feathers and getting upset by it. I think we'll come out of this better off compared to England. If I need a hospital bed, I want one available and these measures are what it takes.
It's not perfect but I'm not spitting feathers and getting upset by it. I think we'll come out of this better off compared to England. If I need a hospital bed, I want one available and these measures are what it takes.
Listening to welsh minister this morning. Banning Tesco selling kettles because they are closing shops down and it would be unfair on those retailers.
Minister suggests that you can buy it online instead.
Now I hate retail but this is a dumb as rock argument - it is as though they want to kill retail totally.
Minister suggests that you can buy it online instead.
Now I hate retail but this is a dumb as rock argument - it is as though they want to kill retail totally.
It’s nowhere near as quiet out and around Cardiff as it was back in March and April. It’s quieter than a normal Saturday but it seems a lot of people aren’t bothering to follow the rules anywhere nearly as much as they did back in the spring. Just back from a 3 mile jog with the dog and theres plenty of people out walking and loads of cars on the roads.
Escy said:
The theory is if there are less things available for purchase, less people make non essential trips and the better the chance of these measures actually producing results. If I owned an electrical store and was forced to close I wouldn't be pleased to see Tesco allowed to sell the same stuff during the lockdown.
It's not perfect but I'm not spitting feathers and getting upset by it. I think we'll come out of this better off compared to England. If I need a hospital bed, I want one available and these measures are what it takes.
No, they'll just keep going to places trying to find one that will sell them what they are after. Spreading the deadly virus to more and more unsuspecting innocent victims.It's not perfect but I'm not spitting feathers and getting upset by it. I think we'll come out of this better off compared to England. If I need a hospital bed, I want one available and these measures are what it takes.
All those extra 0.0000000001 deaths are on you personally!
Escy said:
The theory is if there are less things available for purchase, less people make non essential trips and the better the chance of these measures actually producing results. If I owned an electrical store and was forced to close I wouldn't be pleased to see Tesco allowed to sell the same stuff during the lockdown.
It's not perfect but I'm not spitting feathers and getting upset by it. I think we'll come out of this better off compared to England. If I need a hospital bed, I want one available and these measures are what it takes.
It’s not a bloody competition and I very much doubt the virus is concerned whether you are in the tinned goods versus magazines aisles. It's not perfect but I'm not spitting feathers and getting upset by it. I think we'll come out of this better off compared to England. If I need a hospital bed, I want one available and these measures are what it takes.
It’s an utterly fatuous exercise in government say so with an off the scale economic impact. All non essential economic activity must halt!
Why? What’s the evidence? And as importantly how is it to be paid for? Total deaths under the age of 50 up to the end of August across the entire U.K.? Less than 1000. Economic impact? What? Rolling on for over £200 Bn?
While lining the pockets of Jeff bloody Bezos.
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k off.Escy said:
While it seems silly on the face of it the idea with non essential items is so while the little independent book shop around the corner has to close, Tesco can't make a killing hoovering up their business taking their sales. The reality is everyone just uses Amazon instead but in principle I'm alright with it.
Supporting an idea that is worse than doing nothing because in theory, if the world was a different place, it'd be fairer for small businesses.Breathtaking.
Another farcical short sighted decision from these cretins in Cardiff.
How can baby clothes not be essential?
So the richest man in the world gets richer and what number or small local shops fail to ever open again.
It’s as though he thinks staying home for two weeks is going to get rid of the virus, the tw*t.
Rather than continuously ruining the economy for the foreseeable future just let people get on with it, hospitals overran is a load of rubbish, the ‘field hospital’ near us hasn’t had a single patient.
We need to learn to live with this virus, it isn’t going any where, hiding away and destroying the future of this country ain’t going help anybody.
There are currently 7700 people In hospital UK wide due to Covid (long term), with around 700 on ventilation, there are 70 million in lockdown.
550 of the 7700 are in Wales, 50 of the 700 are on ventilation in Wales.
3,000,000 now under a draconian lockdown.
All data (https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare)
Educate yourself; the average COVID age of death is 82, the average UK life expectancy is 81.1.
( https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/average-age-of-... )
People talk about savings lives, what about the family of 4 who’s parent have lost their jobs, what about the single mother / father who’s lost the families only source of income? The family business that’s survived for generations?
1,500 jobs alone lost from where I work, and we are talking skilled production and engineers.
The UNITED KINGDOM needs to be united, the egotistical ‘I’m stricter than you’ national governments need to have their power removed due to a national emergency. Scotland with 5 tiers of lockdown, Wales not selling socks! You couldn’t make it up.
How long will this affect us, 5 years? 10 years?
Essentially to save our pensioners we are destroying our future.
RE; the other fool above ‘964Cup’; we voted to stay, why would we want to leave? I see you are London based ... what a surprise, I forget the UK revolves around London doesn’t it.
How can baby clothes not be essential?
So the richest man in the world gets richer and what number or small local shops fail to ever open again.
It’s as though he thinks staying home for two weeks is going to get rid of the virus, the tw*t.
Rather than continuously ruining the economy for the foreseeable future just let people get on with it, hospitals overran is a load of rubbish, the ‘field hospital’ near us hasn’t had a single patient.
We need to learn to live with this virus, it isn’t going any where, hiding away and destroying the future of this country ain’t going help anybody.
There are currently 7700 people In hospital UK wide due to Covid (long term), with around 700 on ventilation, there are 70 million in lockdown.
550 of the 7700 are in Wales, 50 of the 700 are on ventilation in Wales.
3,000,000 now under a draconian lockdown.
All data (https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare)
Educate yourself; the average COVID age of death is 82, the average UK life expectancy is 81.1.
( https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/average-age-of-... )
People talk about savings lives, what about the family of 4 who’s parent have lost their jobs, what about the single mother / father who’s lost the families only source of income? The family business that’s survived for generations?
1,500 jobs alone lost from where I work, and we are talking skilled production and engineers.
The UNITED KINGDOM needs to be united, the egotistical ‘I’m stricter than you’ national governments need to have their power removed due to a national emergency. Scotland with 5 tiers of lockdown, Wales not selling socks! You couldn’t make it up.
How long will this affect us, 5 years? 10 years?
Essentially to save our pensioners we are destroying our future.
RE; the other fool above ‘964Cup’; we voted to stay, why would we want to leave? I see you are London based ... what a surprise, I forget the UK revolves around London doesn’t it.
We back to having to protect the nhs the very same welsh nhs that's has been ruined by the idiots in the bay with nothing being done over the last 5 years while dripford was health minister. The schools will be back in within a week so everyone will be meeting up there spreading the virus again and its not like more companies are open compared to the first one so more chance to spread it.
It wont do naff all to slow the spread the only thing it will do is destroy an already damaged welsh economy while a certain rich billionaire gets even more money because people are going to buy through his online shop.
As for its only a lockdown for 2 weeks more like 17 days its what comes after is the most concerning for people I simply don't trust him and his merry band of fkwits to not go well it hasn't worked so we need more lockdown and restrictions.
It wont do naff all to slow the spread the only thing it will do is destroy an already damaged welsh economy while a certain rich billionaire gets even more money because people are going to buy through his online shop.
As for its only a lockdown for 2 weeks more like 17 days its what comes after is the most concerning for people I simply don't trust him and his merry band of f
kwits to not go well it hasn't worked so we need more lockdown and restrictions.anonymoususer said:
phil_cardiff said:
anonymoususer said:
Escy said:
It's following the advice from Sage.
NoIt's interpreting the advice from Sage
And making a mess of it
The Welsh Govt have taken advice from Sage and used half term as an opportunity to attempt to slow the spread of the virus whilst trying to minimise the economic impact.
Fair enough if you don't agree with this decision but if you can't see the reasons behind it then I don't know what to say.
You didnt last too long as a rather unconvincing neutralista
I can also keep my emotions in check around the decision and if that makes me appear supercilious then so be it.
Escy said:
If it works and the virus is supressed in Wales and goes out of control in England the majority of you are going to look stupid.
The confirmed cases were already heading down, prior to the ‘firebreak’.Flintshire the week before last 170/100k, 140/100k last week and 40/100k this week.
The other four counties in N Wales show the same trend.
The county lockdown was working at reducing the numbers whilst keeping businesses afloat.
All the ‘firebreak’ will do is continue that downward trend whilst removing peoples’ civil liberties and decimating privately owned businesses and hospitality sector.
No doubt Drakeford will claim credit for this, only for numbers to increase again once we / if we open back up.
Edited by wobert on Saturday 24th October 11:11
Edited by wobert on Saturday 24th October 11:13
wobert said:
The confirmed cases were already heading down, prior to the ‘firebreak’.
Flintshire last week 170/100k, the week before last, 140/100k last week and 40/100k this week.
The county lockdown was working at reducing the numbers whilst keeping businesses afloat.
All the ‘firebreak’ will do is continue that downward tren whilst removing peoples’ civil liberties and decimating privately owned businesses and hospitality sector.
No doubt Drakeford will claim credit for this, only for numbers to increase again once we / if we open back up.
If numbers reduce further, Drakeford will claim credit and do this again.Flintshire last week 170/100k, the week before last, 140/100k last week and 40/100k this week.
The county lockdown was working at reducing the numbers whilst keeping businesses afloat.
All the ‘firebreak’ will do is continue that downward tren whilst removing peoples’ civil liberties and decimating privately owned businesses and hospitality sector.
No doubt Drakeford will claim credit for this, only for numbers to increase again once we / if we open back up.
If numbers increase, Drakeford will claim his ‘firebreak’ worked by preventing a sharper increase and do this again.
WAG decide what they want to do then manipulate the stats and compare apples to oranges (see Torfaen v Bradford) to justify those vile actions.
I popped out for some fruit this morning as the fresh aisles here were descended on by a swarm of panic buyers when he announced this earlier in the week.
Our local Tesco seemed to have left kids clothes and bottles uncovered. But things like kids toys, books, pots, pans, cutlery, knives etc all cordoned off. Good job my frying pan handle chose to fall off last week and not this week.
The mrs showed me a bloke going nuts in Tesco: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=101578...
Not sure if that’s the answer. But it’s reassuring to see people finally saying enough of this s
t.I really hope Drakeford and co end up on trial. The Welsh government are economic terrorists. An unnecessary number of people will lose their jobs and livelihoods over these nasty, spiteful and completely arbitrary measures.
Listening to Carolyn Harris (Deputy Leader of Welsh Labour) this morning on 5 Live:
5 Live: "are kettles essential?"
Carolyn Harris: "no, because you can always boil a pan of water"
5 Live: "but that's not very safe is it?"
CH: "look, we are trying to make it fair on small shops. If they are closed, you shouldn't be able to buy goods in supermarkets instead"
Hold on, I thought this was about a killer virus and protecting the good people of Wales? Turns out it's about saving small shops. Except it isn't, because people will just buy that kettle on Amazon. So it's OK to deny Tesco the sale; meanwhile Amazon gets ever richer? Which means that the small shop loses out, so does Tesco, but Jeff Bezos wins.
Welsh Labour's official policy is to make Amazon even richer, at the expense of retailers in Wales. You couldn't make it up!
5 Live: "are kettles essential?"
Carolyn Harris: "no, because you can always boil a pan of water"
5 Live: "but that's not very safe is it?"
CH: "look, we are trying to make it fair on small shops. If they are closed, you shouldn't be able to buy goods in supermarkets instead"
Hold on, I thought this was about a killer virus and protecting the good people of Wales? Turns out it's about saving small shops. Except it isn't, because people will just buy that kettle on Amazon. So it's OK to deny Tesco the sale; meanwhile Amazon gets ever richer? Which means that the small shop loses out, so does Tesco, but Jeff Bezos wins.
Welsh Labour's official policy is to make Amazon even richer, at the expense of retailers in Wales. You couldn't make it up!
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