Welsh lockdown

[99pperlitre]

It's pure politics. They deliberately went that bit too far knowing there would be a reaction. Now they can backdown "under pressure" and make us feel like we've won, when in fact we've still got much less than we started with. The result is the people think they've got some power, but the government probably never gave a toss about what supermarkets sold.

[bmwmike]

964Cup said:

I think we should grant Wales the independence they so clearly desire. Scotland too. I'm sure the vibrant economies of these dynamic and forward-looking nations will support excellent standards of living and the introduction of proper socialist planning and central control will bring all of their people thriving into the early 19th century.

"grant"

[WindyCommon]

wobert said:

[WindyCommon]

“Man visits supermarket in just his pants in protest at ban on non-essential items“

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/supe...

[BlackLabel]

Going off on a tangent I know but if the Welsh devolution referendum was held again now I wonder what the result would be? Has devolution been beneficial for those living in Wales? Health, education etc all seem to be doing worse in Wales than the rest of the UK.

This was the result last time:

[Pit Pony]

Rh14n said:

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/mark...

Looks like there may be a u-turn on the cards. To be fair, it'll be a brave decision to change his mind and in my opinion it's not a sign of weakness. Of course, most PHers will not share my opinion on this.

This made me smile.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/supe...

[Boom78]

BlackLabel said:

Going off on a tangent I know but if the Welsh devolution referendum was held again now I wonder what the result would be? Has devolution been beneficial for those living in Wales? Health, education etc all seem to be doing worse in Wales than the rest of the UK.

This was the result last time:

I would love to see it bulldozed into the bay, I can’t think of anything of note they’ve achieved. In fact the only decisions they’ve made that I can remember are negative for Wales such as ditching the proposed M4 bypass, silly COVID rules, Scraping health boards, falling education standards, access to GPs etc.

[phil_cardiff]

Boom78 said:

I would love to see it bulldozed into the bay, I can’t think of anything of note they’ve achieved. In fact the only decisions they’ve made that I can remember are negative for Wales such as ditching the proposed M4 bypass, silly COVID rules, Scraping health boards, falling education standards, access to GPs etc.

Got any evidence to back up the falling educational standards claim? The last PISA figures I read seemed to disagree.

Not building the M4 relief road was the right decision.

I've never had a problem getting a GP appointment.

There have been many failures if course but,how about researching some of the achievements too?

Always good to have a balanced view before starting the bulldozer.

[Boom78]

phil_cardiff said:

There have been many failures if course but,how about researching some of the achievements too?

Please enlighten me, I’d love to know what great things they’ve done to counter balance their monumental screw ups

[bmwmike]

phil_cardiff said:

Boom78 said:

I would love to see it bulldozed into the bay, I can’t think of anything of note they’ve achieved. In fact the only decisions they’ve made that I can remember are negative for Wales such as ditching the proposed M4 bypass, silly COVID rules, Scraping health boards, falling education standards, access to GPs etc.

Got any evidence to back up the falling educational standards claim? The last PISA figures I read seemed to disagree.

Not building the M4 relief road was the right decision.

I've never had a problem getting a GP appointment.

There have been many failures if course but,how about researching some of the achievements too?

Always good to have a balanced view before starting the bulldozer.

Have to agree. I actually voted against devolution originally but im now glad we have it and long may it continue to grow. Just need a change from labour if even for a while.

[wobert]

phil_cardiff said:

Boom78 said:

I would love to see it bulldozed into the bay, I can’t think of anything of note they’ve achieved. In fact the only decisions they’ve made that I can remember are negative for Wales such as ditching the proposed M4 bypass, silly COVID rules, Scraping health boards, falling education standards, access to GPs etc.

Got any evidence to back up the falling educational standards claim? The last PISA figures I read seemed to disagree.

Not building the M4 relief road was the right decision.

I've never had a problem getting a GP appointment.

There have been many failures if course but,how about researching some of the achievements too?

Always good to have a balanced view before starting the bulldozer.

Try calling your GP for a routine appointment and being told the earliest availability they have is 4 weeks away....

[Nickbrapp]

bmwmike said:

Have to agree. I actually voted against devolution originally but im now glad we have it and long may it continue to grow. Just need a change from labour if even for a while.

Hahahahahahaha a change from labour? You’ll be bloody lucky, I live in wales and when you talk to people about change they just say well maggie closed the mines and can’t quite grasp that in 20 years of labour in charge their lives haven’t improved.

I think devolution is pointless, what has it actually bought that’s worthy of noting?

Pros
Free prescriptions?

Cons
Didn’t remove SDLT for first time buyers
Cancelled M4 relief road
Even more confusing Covid rules
Massive cost
Can’t get any Job in public sector unless you can speak welsh. (Surely that’s discrimination)
A total wet melt in charge.

[55palfers]

ChevronB19 said:

Apart from the paranoia, it’s ‘Corbynite’. I think Corbanites appeared in Dr Who in about 1971.

There was corbomite on Star Trek ages ago

[phil_cardiff]

Boom78 said:

phil_cardiff said:

There have been many failures if course but,how about researching some of the achievements too?

Please enlighten me, I’d love to know what great things they’ve done to counter balance their monumental screw ups

You'll learn more by doing your own research rather than being told.

[phil_cardiff]

Nickbrapp said:

bmwmike said:

Have to agree. I actually voted against devolution originally but im now glad we have it and long may it continue to grow. Just need a change from labour if even for a while.

Hahahahahahaha a change from labour? You’ll be bloody lucky, I live in wales and when you talk to people about change they just say well maggie closed the mines and can’t quite grasp that in 20 years of labour in charge their lives haven’t improved.

I think devolution is pointless, what has it actually bought that’s worthy of noting?

Pros
Free prescriptions?

Cons
Didn’t remove SDLT for first time buyers
Cancelled M4 relief road
Even more confusing Covid rules
Massive cost
Can’t get any Job in public sector unless you can speak welsh. (Surely that’s discrimination)
A total wet melt in charge.

You can get a public sector job without speaking Welsh. That's a common misconception.

[scrubchub]

phil_cardiff said:

You'll learn more by doing your own research rather than being told.

Remember when I called you 'supercilious' yesterday? Well, I rest my case. Add patronising and condescending to it as well.

[wobert]

Vaughan Gething doubling down on the Andrew Marr Show re:non-essential items.....

When in a hole, stop digging springs to mind...

[anonymous-user]

wobert said:

phil_cardiff said:

Boom78 said:

I would love to see it bulldozed into the bay, I can’t think of anything of note they’ve achieved. In fact the only decisions they’ve made that I can remember are negative for Wales such as ditching the proposed M4 bypass, silly COVID rules, Scraping health boards, falling education standards, access to GPs etc.

Got any evidence to back up the falling educational standards claim? The last PISA figures I read seemed to disagree.

Not building the M4 relief road was the right decision.

I've never had a problem getting a GP appointment.

There have been many failures if course but,how about researching some of the achievements too?

Always good to have a balanced view before starting the bulldozer.

Try calling your GP for a routine appointment and being told the earliest availability they have is 4 weeks away....

That’s not a Wales problem
The same all over the U.K.
Some GPs better than others

[wobert]

Jimboka said:

wobert said:

phil_cardiff said:

Boom78 said:

I would love to see it bulldozed into the bay, I can’t think of anything of note they’ve achieved. In fact the only decisions they’ve made that I can remember are negative for Wales such as ditching the proposed M4 bypass, silly COVID rules, Scraping health boards, falling education standards, access to GPs etc.

Got any evidence to back up the falling educational standards claim? The last PISA figures I read seemed to disagree.

Not building the M4 relief road was the right decision.

I've never had a problem getting a GP appointment.

There have been many failures if course but,how about researching some of the achievements too?

Always good to have a balanced view before starting the bulldozer.

Try calling your GP for a routine appointment and being told the earliest availability they have is 4 weeks away....

That’s not a Wales problem
The same all over the U.K.
Some GPs better than others

Maybe, but when your health authority has been in ‘special measures’ for the last FIVE years without any improvement nor plan or strategy to improve, where does the buck stop?

Health is very much a devolved power, so the buck should stop with the WAG.

[Rh14n]

wobert said:

phil_cardiff said:

Boom78 said:

I would love to see it bulldozed into the bay, I can’t think of anything of note they’ve achieved. In fact the only decisions they’ve made that I can remember are negative for Wales such as ditching the proposed M4 bypass, silly COVID rules, Scraping health boards, falling education standards, access to GPs etc.

Got any evidence to back up the falling educational standards claim? The last PISA figures I read seemed to disagree.

Not building the M4 relief road was the right decision.

I've never had a problem getting a GP appointment.

There have been many failures if course but,how about researching some of the achievements too?

Always good to have a balanced view before starting the bulldozer.

Try calling your GP for a routine appointment and being told the earliest availability they have is 4 weeks away....

I think you need to move surgeries. Ours offers same-day appointments if you call early enough in the day. No problem here.