Welsh lockdown

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foobies

138 posts

96 months

Monday 26th October 2020
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Noodle1982 said:
I was sat in my office impatiently drinking tea all morning waiting for them to open the applications for the Business Development Grant.

They did say week commencing 26th October so had a feeling it wouldn't have been today.

On a positive note it gives me an extra day to put the final touches to my business plan.
Fingers crossed they don’t move the goal posts again and render your business plan useless!

Earthdweller

13,637 posts

127 months

Monday 26th October 2020
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Lord.Vader said:
Sorry but ...

Uncle; 40 years (council) retired.
Cousin; 18 years (council)
Mum; 35 years (council and NHS)
Brother; 6 years (council)

Not one of them speaks Welsh or has had to learn Welsh.
Is it not dependent on where though ?

A friend transferred from the Met to North Wales Police he didn’t have to speak Welsh but could only be posted to the Merseyside/Cheshire border area unless/until he could speak Welsh

That would have been 15-20 years ago so things may have changed

Red 4

10,744 posts

188 months

Monday 26th October 2020
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Earthdweller said:
Is it not dependent on where though ?

A friend transferred from the Met to North Wales Police he didn’t have to speak Welsh but could only be posted to the Merseyside/Cheshire border area unless/until he could speak Welsh

That would have been 15-20 years ago so things may have changed
My mate transferred to The North Wales Heddlu on promotion to Chief Superintendent in 2010.

He spoke as much Welsh as me, which is close to none. I understand Araf but that's only because they also write "Slow" above it.

The policy was to actively encourage Welsh speakers though. He learned. I'd have stuck with a phrase book.

phil_cardiff

7,117 posts

209 months

Monday 26th October 2020
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Earthdweller said:
Lord.Vader said:
Sorry but ...

Uncle; 40 years (council) retired.
Cousin; 18 years (council)
Mum; 35 years (council and NHS)
Brother; 6 years (council)

Not one of them speaks Welsh or has had to learn Welsh.
Is it not dependent on where though ?

A friend transferred from the Met to North Wales Police he didn’t have to speak Welsh but could only be posted to the Merseyside/Cheshire border area unless/until he could speak Welsh

That would have been 15-20 years ago so things may have changed
You'd probably want to speak Welsh in some of the rougher parts of NW Wales, just to understand exactly what they've called you...

bad company

18,727 posts

267 months

Monday 26th October 2020
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Rh14n

947 posts

109 months

Monday 26th October 2020
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Red 4 said:
Earthdweller said:
Is it not dependent on where though ?

A friend transferred from the Met to North Wales Police he didn’t have to speak Welsh but could only be posted to the Merseyside/Cheshire border area unless/until he could speak Welsh

That would have been 15-20 years ago so things may have changed
My mate transferred to The North Wales Heddlu on promotion to Chief Superintendent in 2010.

He spoke as much Welsh as me, which is close to none. I understand Araf but that's only because they also write "Slow" above it.

The policy was to actively encourage Welsh speakers though. He learned. I'd have stuck with a phrase book.
North Wales Police have a pretty strong (but realistically reasonable) Welsh Language Policy with differing levels of fluency required for different roles. Strangely enough, it was very robustly championed and encouraged by the infamous (notorious even) Chief Constable, Richard Brunstrom during the first decade of this century. He led by example and became a fluent Welsh speaker very quickly.

mac96

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3,820 posts

144 months

Monday 26th October 2020
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Rh14n said:
Red 4 said:
Earthdweller said:
Is it not dependent on where though ?

A friend transferred from the Met to North Wales Police he didn’t have to speak Welsh but could only be posted to the Merseyside/Cheshire border area unless/until he could speak Welsh

That would have been 15-20 years ago so things may have changed
My mate transferred to The North Wales Heddlu on promotion to Chief Superintendent in 2010.

He spoke as much Welsh as me, which is close to none. I understand Araf but that's only because they also write "Slow" above it.

The policy was to actively encourage Welsh speakers though. He learned. I'd have stuck with a phrase book.
North Wales Police have a pretty strong (but realistically reasonable) Welsh Language Policy with differing levels of fluency required for different roles. Strangely enough, it was very robustly championed and encouraged by the infamous (notorious even) Chief Constable, Richard Brunstrom during the first decade of this century. He led by example and became a fluent Welsh speaker very quickly.
Seems absolutely fair to me-not English, and want to work in England - learn English. Not Welsh and want to work in Wales, especially in the areas where most people normally speak Welsh- learn Welsh.

Rh14n

947 posts

109 months

Monday 26th October 2020
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mac96 said:
Rh14n said:
Red 4 said:
Earthdweller said:
Is it not dependent on where though ?

A friend transferred from the Met to North Wales Police he didn’t have to speak Welsh but could only be posted to the Merseyside/Cheshire border area unless/until he could speak Welsh

That would have been 15-20 years ago so things may have changed
My mate transferred to The North Wales Heddlu on promotion to Chief Superintendent in 2010.

He spoke as much Welsh as me, which is close to none. I understand Araf but that's only because they also write "Slow" above it.

The policy was to actively encourage Welsh speakers though. He learned. I'd have stuck with a phrase book.
North Wales Police have a pretty strong (but realistically reasonable) Welsh Language Policy with differing levels of fluency required for different roles. Strangely enough, it was very robustly championed and encouraged by the infamous (notorious even) Chief Constable, Richard Brunstrom during the first decade of this century. He led by example and became a fluent Welsh speaker very quickly.
Seems absolutely fair to me-not English, and want to work in England - learn English. Not Welsh and want to work in Wales, especially in the areas where most people normally speak Welsh- learn Welsh.
Thank you Mac - not difficult to understand is it?

Badgerboy

1,783 posts

193 months

Tuesday 27th October 2020
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I do wonder how many Welsh speakers cannot speak English however.

Happy for those who wish to speak it to speak it, but I don't like it being rammed down my throat. I wish there was an opt out system for not recieving official documents in Welsh, bloody waste of paper and resources.

Dick Dastardly

8,315 posts

264 months

Tuesday 27th October 2020
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Badgerboy said:
I do wonder how many Welsh speakers cannot speak English however.

Happy for those who wish to speak it to speak it, but I don't like it being rammed down my throat. I wish there was an opt out system for not recieving official documents in Welsh, bloody waste of paper and resources.
Not one. Welsh Govt did a study a few years ago.

Cold

15,265 posts

91 months

Tuesday 27th October 2020
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Rh14n said:
Thank you Mac - not difficult to understand is it?
Very. It's all the double l words and lack of vowels.

Byker28i

60,675 posts

218 months

Tuesday 27th October 2020
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Lord.Vader said:
Sorry but ...

Uncle; 40 years (council) retired.
Cousin; 18 years (council)
Mum; 35 years (council and NHS)
Brother; 6 years (council)

Not one of them speaks Welsh or has had to learn Welsh.
So it's right about the nepotism? biggrin

Byker28i

60,675 posts

218 months

Tuesday 27th October 2020
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phil_cardiff said:
You'd probably want to speak Welsh in some of the rougher parts of NW Wales, just to understand exactly what they've called you...
Sorry officer I was counting to 100, just got there...

fastraxx

8,308 posts

104 months

Tuesday 27th October 2020
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Byker28i said:
phil_cardiff said:
You'd probably want to speak Welsh in some of the rougher parts of NW Wales, just to understand exactly what they've called you...
Sorry officer I was counting to 100, just got there...
Learning to speak Welsh for those areas wouldn’t help you much

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 27th October 2020
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Is there any kind of mechanism where we English can insist Wales just stays locked down for, well, ever?

Byker28i

60,675 posts

218 months

Tuesday 27th October 2020
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Cold said:
Rh14n said:
Thank you Mac - not difficult to understand is it?
Very. It's all the double l words and lack of vowels.
I'm ok that they thing dd is sounded as th
that f is sounded as v and if you want to sound f it's ff
ll just means you spit over people

It's the sodding mutations of the words. Just when you learn one way they change it
Caerdydd, Nghaerdydd etc


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Byker28i

60,675 posts

218 months

Tuesday 27th October 2020
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No help for those who rent out holiday homes. I know a few small businesses renting out the flats above the shops as a way to keep the business viable.


In relation to self-catering accommodation, properties will not be eligible for the grant unless the following criteria are met:

the self-catering accommodation can produce two years of trading accounts directly preceding the current financial year of the business
the self-catering accommodation must actually have been let for a period of 140 days or more in the financial year 2019-20
the self-catering accommodation business must be the primary source of income for the owner (minimum threshold is 50 per cent).

voyds9

8,489 posts

284 months

Tuesday 27th October 2020
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RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Is there any kind of mechanism where we English can insist Wales just stays locked down for, well, ever?
You know it's a valid point
If the English closed the border there would be such an outcry.

Wacky Racer

38,237 posts

248 months

Tuesday 27th October 2020
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The only two words I know are:-

Araf (SLOW

and

Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch


scrubchub

1,844 posts

141 months

Tuesday 27th October 2020
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Wacky Racer said:
The only two words I know are:-

Araf (SLOW

and

Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
With a 33,000 plus post count you have definitely been around pistonheads long enough to know at least one more from a certain 'legendary' thread........