Welsh lockdown
Discussion
ash73 said:
Evanivitch said:
Agreed, but then you can be issued a producer, which could reach the same conclusion, in slow time... They could still turn you away if they have good reason to believe you're not local.
What would be good reason in those circumstances? Refusing to identify yourself, or provide an address? I don't think you're legally required to do so, but I guess you then rapidly fail the attitude test. Obviously they can look the car up but many company cars etc will be registered all over the place.Refusing to identify or provide an address when driving is a bigger issue. They could just take your car away there and then if you can't provide at least some evidence that you are entitled to drive legally and with insurance. Remember, this isn't stop and search, you're in a car.
milkround said:
Where are you going?
Work.
Where is that?
Barry.
What do you do?
Drive.
Can you prove that?
No,
Where are from?
Well I was born in ireland. Grew up all over, and now live in cardiff.
Can you prove that?
No. My tenancy agreement is at home, but its on my driving licence.
How can we know you are going to work?
Sod knows. Follow me if you want, or lock me up. Ive had enough of this now and youve made me late for work.
Can we call your company?
You can but no one will be in the office for another 3 hours.
What are the police meant to do?
Do you have an address of where you're going? Can you point to it on a map? What's in the back?Work.
Where is that?
Barry.
What do you do?
Drive.
Can you prove that?
No,
Where are from?
Well I was born in ireland. Grew up all over, and now live in cardiff.
Can you prove that?
No. My tenancy agreement is at home, but its on my driving licence.
How can we know you are going to work?
Sod knows. Follow me if you want, or lock me up. Ive had enough of this now and youve made me late for work.
Can we call your company?
You can but no one will be in the office for another 3 hours.
What are the police meant to do?
There's ways out of all of it. Just don't lie. Completely agree the law is crap, and the police have their hands tied behind their back. But at the same time they can do plenty to investigate further.
milkround said:
ash73 said:
What would be good reason in those circumstances? Refusing to identify yourself, or provide an address? I don't think you're legally required to do so, but I guess you then rapidly fail the attitude test. Obviously they can look the car up but many company cars etc will be registered all over the place.
Where are you going?Work.
Where is that?
Barry.
What do you do?
Drive.
Can you prove that?
No,
Where are from?
Well I was born in ireland. Grew up all over, and now live in cardiff.
Can you prove that?
No. My tenancy agreement is at home, but its on my driving licence.
How can we know you are going to work?
Sod knows. Follow me if you want, or lock me up. Ive had enough of this now and youve made me late for work.
Can we call your company?
You can but no one will be in the office for another 3 hours.
What are the police meant to do?
My driving licence is at my welsh address, I'm registered to vote in wales, the cars are registered to my english address.
Last lockdown we chose not to return home because of all the rhetoric from the council leader, backed by police roadside checks and we collected out son from Swansea Uni. It'll be a shame if that happens again.
There's a couple of cases locally now, way after the tourists have gone. Hopefully that'll wake up some people as there's been a lot not paying attention to any social distancing etc.
So on the basis that ‘Welsh’ daily cases that are a third of those in some areas of England, we are now facing a ‘fire-stop’ lock-down, to prevent things escalating, but with no guarantee that (a) it will fix the issue and (b) not mean we have to rinse and repeat the process ad-infinitum....
There seems to be a lot of talk, but not a huge consideration of a ‘Plan B’ in the event of the lockdown not working.
Meanwhile, the issues within Betsi Cadwaldr University Health Authority are being labelled as ‘Covid’ related, when in fact the HA has been in ‘special measures’ since 2015!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54557545
There seems to be a lot of talk, but not a huge consideration of a ‘Plan B’ in the event of the lockdown not working.
Meanwhile, the issues within Betsi Cadwaldr University Health Authority are being labelled as ‘Covid’ related, when in fact the HA has been in ‘special measures’ since 2015!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54557545
wobert said:
Meanwhile, the issues within Betsi Cadwaldr University Health Authority are being labelled as ‘Covid’ related, when in fact the HA has been in ‘special measures’ since 2015!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54557545
Depressingly familiar. The MiL who is in her 80's broke her arm about 18 months ago. Betsi Cadwaldr made a right mess of everything including calling her in several times for operations which were cancelled after she'd been sitting around nil by mouth for 12 hours. Eventually they decided the injury had healed up too much to make an operation effective but MiL was still in loads of pain and could barely use her hand.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54557545
The local MP tried her best but basically told us there was nothing she could do because Betsi Cadwaldr really didn't care. We eventually got things sorted and she had her operation last month and all seems better but I've always said if I need hospital treatment whilst in the area I'll do whatever it takes to get myself back into England and that's not just based on this incident.
They failed to diagnose the FiL had advanced lung cancer which caused months of misery and stress for everyone
A mate of mine was in there for a week following a car crash, despite complaining of headaches and blurred vision he was discharged only for his GP to refer him to another hospital where they found out he had a fractured skull.
wobert said:
Meanwhile, the issues within Betsi Cadwaldr University Health Authority are being labelled as ‘Covid’ related, when in fact the HA has been in ‘special measures’ since 2015!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54557545
Back on page one I posted about the fuss made at the end of the first full lockdown about people coming from the midlands to WSM (and bringing their 'killer virus etc etc etc). A few days later WSM General A&E department closed a for a few days and right there was the justification for the loons to go all swivel eyed. WSM hospital has had various performance and capacity troubles for the last three yearshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54557545
jurbie said:
wobert said:
Meanwhile, the issues within Betsi Cadwaldr University Health Authority are being labelled as ‘Covid’ related, when in fact the HA has been in ‘special measures’ since 2015!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54557545
Depressingly familiar. The MiL who is in her 80's broke her arm about 18 months ago. Betsi Cadwaldr made a right mess of everything including calling her in several times for operations which were cancelled after she'd been sitting around nil by mouth for 12 hours. Eventually they decided the injury had healed up too much to make an operation effective but MiL was still in loads of pain and could barely use her hand.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54557545
The local MP tried her best but basically told us there was nothing she could do because Betsi Cadwaldr really didn't care. We eventually got things sorted and she had her operation last month and all seems better but I've always said if I need hospital treatment whilst in the area I'll do whatever it takes to get myself back into England and that's not just based on this incident.
They failed to diagnose the FiL had advanced lung cancer which caused months of misery and stress for everyone
A mate of mine was in there for a week following a car crash, despite complaining of headaches and blurred vision he was discharged only for his GP to refer him to another hospital where they found out he had a fractured skull.
I had a concussion following an MTB crash last year. Also landed heavily on head/neck and yet no precautionary X-Ray which , when I told my osteo, she could not understand how they could possibly know, for certain, there was no damage.
A chap I know was trampled by a bull, out jogging through (what he assumed was just a) a field of cows. they put 20 odd stitches in his head but somehow no one thought to X-ray his shoulders...
People (within and outside of the NHS) rightly complain about underfunding of the NHS but there is also a very clear lack of care and due diligence within it too.
milkround said:
Where are you going?
Work.
Where is that?
Barry.
What do you do?
Drive.
Can you prove that?
No,
Where are from?
Well I was born in ireland. Grew up all over, and now live in cardiff.
Can you prove that?
No. My tenancy agreement is at home, but its on my driving licence.
How can we know you are going to work?
Sod knows. Follow me if you want, or lock me up. Ive had enough of this now and youve made me late for work.
Can we call your company?
You can but no one will be in the office for another 3 hours.
What are the police meant to do?
Have you not had your fill of being right and being dragged through the courts?Work.
Where is that?
Barry.
What do you do?
Drive.
Can you prove that?
No,
Where are from?
Well I was born in ireland. Grew up all over, and now live in cardiff.
Can you prove that?
No. My tenancy agreement is at home, but its on my driving licence.
How can we know you are going to work?
Sod knows. Follow me if you want, or lock me up. Ive had enough of this now and youve made me late for work.
Can we call your company?
You can but no one will be in the office for another 3 hours.
What are the police meant to do?
mfmman said:
Back on page one I posted about the fuss made at the end of the first full lockdown about people coming from the midlands to WSM (and bringing their 'killer virus etc etc etc). A few days later WSM General A&E department closed a for a few days and right there was the justification for the loons to go all swivel eyed. WSM hospital has had various performance and capacity troubles for the last three years
If your local and in right part of North Somerset to get a choice of WSM or Southmead pretty well everyone chooses Southmead. WSM hospital is not a place you want to go to particularly if your ill.
b0rk said:
mfmman said:
Back on page one I posted about the fuss made at the end of the first full lockdown about people coming from the midlands to WSM (and bringing their 'killer virus etc etc etc). A few days later WSM General A&E department closed a for a few days and right there was the justification for the loons to go all swivel eyed. WSM hospital has had various performance and capacity troubles for the last three years
If your local and in right part of North Somerset to get a choice of WSM or Southmead pretty well everyone chooses Southmead. WSM hospital is not a place you want to go to particularly if your ill.
Someone I know runs a salon and has been told they’ll be forced to close at 6pm on Monday. Not sure whether it’s for two or three weeks, or even longer.
Boris’s handling of things has been poor. But at this point I’d be much obliged if he could assemble a crack squad from the SAS to pop across the border and remove Drakeford.
Enough is enough now. This man is a complete menace to enterprise and the private sector in Wales.
Boris’s handling of things has been poor. But at this point I’d be much obliged if he could assemble a crack squad from the SAS to pop across the border and remove Drakeford.
Enough is enough now. This man is a complete menace to enterprise and the private sector in Wales.
Cardigan yesterday was empty, and some were quite standoff or reluctant if you had an english accent. First time I've really noticed that.
Pembrokeshire have now shut 6 schools because of individual cases. 1 child at the local secondary was tested positive and they sent three school years home. Now they are saying they will enforce sanitising and masks on school busses as they haven't been doing it so far.
Most businesses seem resigned to a full lockdown over half term with the loss of tourist money, many are saying they won't open in Jan/Feb now to save money.
Pembrokeshire have now shut 6 schools because of individual cases. 1 child at the local secondary was tested positive and they sent three school years home. Now they are saying they will enforce sanitising and masks on school busses as they haven't been doing it so far.
Most businesses seem resigned to a full lockdown over half term with the loss of tourist money, many are saying they won't open in Jan/Feb now to save money.
Ridgemont said:
I do love British history as reversed engineered by the small nats with their bucolic tale of a non existent Brythonic idyll. An idyll littered in the case of both Wales and Scotland with an almost psychotic level of fratricide.
It repeatedly elides awkward facts that the successors of the Plantagenets in 1485 heralded under the dragon banner led by a descendant of Ednyfed Fychan. But his son is the Merry Monarch who rough woo’ed Scotland and is the quintessential English
apparently.
Speaking of the Scots.
120 odd years later the Stuart’s came a galloping down from Stirling. Fitzalan Norman Scots they had spent the previous 400 odd years marrying into various native families including the various Norse and Celtic dynasties till they poached the kingship of the Scots. And then spent a good 150 years working out how to unify the crowns, highly resisted by the English parliament who could spot the inherent problems in subsidising a problematic unitary estate where 1/10th if the population essentially lived in 50% of its mass.
And let’s not get on to the Hanoverians.
But bd English.
This deserved greater recognition. It repeatedly elides awkward facts that the successors of the Plantagenets in 1485 heralded under the dragon banner led by a descendant of Ednyfed Fychan. But his son is the Merry Monarch who rough woo’ed Scotland and is the quintessential English
apparently.Speaking of the Scots.
120 odd years later the Stuart’s came a galloping down from Stirling. Fitzalan Norman Scots they had spent the previous 400 odd years marrying into various native families including the various Norse and Celtic dynasties till they poached the kingship of the Scots. And then spent a good 150 years working out how to unify the crowns, highly resisted by the English parliament who could spot the inherent problems in subsidising a problematic unitary estate where 1/10th if the population essentially lived in 50% of its mass.
And let’s not get on to the Hanoverians.
But b
d English.Edited by Ridgemont on Saturday 10th October 00:52
Edited by Ridgemont on Saturday 10th October 00:55
As previously mentioned a significant percentage of covid cases and deaths at my local county hospital (in England) were of people from Mid-Wales. This is absolutely fine btw and has been the accepted system in the borders since whenever, but does rather fly in the face of this sharp divide some (probably very few) Welsh nationalists like to place between themselves and hated English.
Interesting BBC piece published very late last night but 100 (ish) patients in welsh hospitals as of 11th Oct caught covid-19 in hospital or to put it another way based on published data for patients in hospital (327) 1/3rd of all patients.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54566504
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54566504
https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/...
I heard from a few people who work for north wales councils that a ‘fire break’ would be on the cards next week.
I also heard something was on the cards for Monday from a salon owner, they can’t both be right. But I suspect one of the rumours will prove to be true.
The council employees seem to have heard something similar to the letter that’s in the Daily Post link above. It’s nice how the private sector is hung out to dry with just a few hours of notice from scummy Drakeford, while the public sector gets a heads up weeks in advance.
If that’s true, here’s how much school my 5 year old has done in 2020:
Went back after Christmas in Jan. Went into lockdown in March, school shut.
He went back for 4 weeks in July to August BUT only for 3 hours a week. So 12 hours of school from March until September.
He went back in September, then did approx 4-5 weeks of school. Just under two weeks ago someone in his class allegedly tested positive for Covid so the headteacher sent a letter saying to keep him off for two weeks.
He would have broken up for half term yesterday anyway, but obviously spent the last two weeks isolating.
This ‘fire break’ doesn’t end until the 9th Nov allegedly. So that’s another five weeks he’ll have been off school.
I hope Rishi refuses to get his chequebook out for Drakeford and he has to scrap his ‘fire break’ plans. The Welsh government really are slippery, vile meddlers.
I heard from a few people who work for north wales councils that a ‘fire break’ would be on the cards next week.
I also heard something was on the cards for Monday from a salon owner, they can’t both be right. But I suspect one of the rumours will prove to be true.
The council employees seem to have heard something similar to the letter that’s in the Daily Post link above. It’s nice how the private sector is hung out to dry with just a few hours of notice from scummy Drakeford, while the public sector gets a heads up weeks in advance.
If that’s true, here’s how much school my 5 year old has done in 2020:
Went back after Christmas in Jan. Went into lockdown in March, school shut.
He went back for 4 weeks in July to August BUT only for 3 hours a week. So 12 hours of school from March until September.
He went back in September, then did approx 4-5 weeks of school. Just under two weeks ago someone in his class allegedly tested positive for Covid so the headteacher sent a letter saying to keep him off for two weeks.
He would have broken up for half term yesterday anyway, but obviously spent the last two weeks isolating.
This ‘fire break’ doesn’t end until the 9th Nov allegedly. So that’s another five weeks he’ll have been off school.
I hope Rishi refuses to get his chequebook out for Drakeford and he has to scrap his ‘fire break’ plans. The Welsh government really are slippery, vile meddlers.
Edited by foobies on Saturday 17th October 23:16
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