How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 15)

[citizensm1th]

Biggy Stardust said:

For someone who wants to be European you need to improve your grasp of Foreign.

Naaaa il stay here and keep on triggering folks like you it's fun

[amgmcqueen]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

paulrockliffe said:

Gove up in Parliament now. Well worth a watch....

He just stated that 52% of the UK population voted to leave the EU.

37%....

[don'tbesilly]

jsf said:

paulrockliffe said:

Even when someone admits they're just here to troll, twice, people respond. We get what we deserve.

Hence why i dont respond to SIBI.

The persistent little st keeps asking me questions though.

It was worth watching the Gove session in Parliament.

During that Barnier told Frost he is willing to intensify talks and work on legal text. No mention on changing mandate yet.

A point Frost has also made clear:

David Frost
@DavidGHFrost

Constructive discussion with
@MichelBarnier
today. Noted his proposal to intensify work, as we have been asking. But the EU still needs to make a fundamental change in approach to the talks and make clear it has done so. We will stay in close touch.

https://twitter.com/DavidGHFrost/status/1318233408...

[anonymous-user]

jsf said:

We dont know yet.

The shift is they will start writing the legal text, which they have refused to do so far, but i expect he will still be told to not come if the mandate isnt changed.

Gove in his statement to parliament said they have to make a public statement that it has indeed changed.

Which Frost has now stated directly himself.

[Tuna]

jsf said:

jsf said:

We dont know yet.

The shift is they will start writing the legal text, which they have refused to do so far, but i expect he will still be told to not come if the mandate isnt changed.

Gove in his statement to parliament said they have to make a public statement that it has indeed changed.

Which Frost has now stated directly himself.

I have to say, from this side of things the UK's negotiation seems to be very well handled. No idea how it's being reported on the continent though. I'm aware that Bloomberg have focused on the possibility that we'll offer concessions on the IMB to try and 'make peace' with the EU (suggesting it is that which has halted negotiations) - which doesn't seem to be a view that aligns with the facts, but may well be how it's perceived in some areas.

This is night and day when compared with May's Nightmare Negotiations.

[anonymous-user]

Tuna said:

I have to say, from this side of things the UK's negotiation seems to be very well handled. No idea how it's being reported on the continent though. I'm aware that Bloomberg have focused on the possibility that we'll offer concessions on the IMB to try and 'make peace' with the EU (suggesting it is that which has halted negotiations) - which doesn't seem to be a view that aligns with the facts, but may well be how it's perceived in some areas.

This is night and day when compared with May's Nightmare Negotiations.

I watch Bloomberg a lot during the day in the background. It has consistently misrepresented the facts with regards to Brexit.

[silentbrown]

amgmcqueen said:

37%....

27% as we're obviously being pedantic here.

[don'tbesilly]

Tuna said:

jsf said:

jsf said:

We dont know yet.

The shift is they will start writing the legal text, which they have refused to do so far, but i expect he will still be told to not come if the mandate isnt changed.

Gove in his statement to parliament said they have to make a public statement that it has indeed changed.

Which Frost has now stated directly himself.

I have to say, from this side of things the UK's negotiation seems to be very well handled. No idea how it's being reported on the continent though. I'm aware that Bloomberg have focused on the possibility that we'll offer concessions on the IMB to try and 'make peace' with the EU (suggesting it is that which has halted negotiations) - which doesn't seem to be a view that aligns with the facts, but may well be how it's perceived in some areas.

This is night and day when compared with May's Nightmare Negotiations.

Now you've mentioned Theresa May, it's worthwhile pointing out that Gove did agree with her today after she asked Gove a question

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgBS35gZurg

[loafer123]

jsf said:

I watch Bloomberg a lot during the day in the background. It has consistently misrepresented the facts with regards to Brexit.

I switched from Bloomberg to Reuters which is a little better, but still EU-centric.

[amgmcqueen]

silentbrown said:

amgmcqueen said:

37%....

27% as we're obviously being pedantic here.

It doesn't sound good whichever way you look at it. Dodgy Dave really did fk up badly didn't he.....

[Robertj21a]

amgmcqueen said:

silentbrown said:

amgmcqueen said:

37%....

27% as we're obviously being pedantic here.

It doesn't sound good whichever way you look at it. Dodgy Dave really did fk up badly didn't he.....

In any event, the only figure that really mattered was 52%.

[anonymous-user]

stongle said:

So, what are the stocks driving the recovery? What is the global representation in the S&P vs FTSE.

Come back when you have an actual answer rather than throwing around numbers that are neither correlated or relevent.

Jesus H fk, is it me or has the shortbus opened its doors on us today.....

That's it - never mind the facts, just vent your spleen.

Happily, having identified the prudent approach of steering away from Pilot Boris and his determination to fly Aircraft UK into the side of a mountain, I'm substantially better off today than would otherwise be the case.

I think it was Putin's spokesman who said, "Britain is just a small island who nobody listens to". Many a true word.

[anonymous-user]

jsf said:

I watch Bloomberg a lot during the day in the background. It has consistently misrepresented the facts with regards to Brexit.

Time will tell. Since Bloomberg is an American/global outfit whose business model is entirely dependent upon objective reporting and decision making I think you're likely to find your version of the "facts" might usefully be preceded by the word "alternative".

[i4got]

rockin said:

That's it - never mind the facts, just vent your spleen.

Happily, having identified the prudent approach of steering away from Pilot Boris and his determination to fly Aircraft UK into the side of a mountain, I'm substantially better off today than would otherwise be the case.

I think it was Putin's spokesman who said, "Britain is just a small island who nobody listens to". Many a true word.

So the 11th biggest country by GDP calls the 5th largest a small island.

[barryrs]

rockin said:

That's it - never mind the facts, just vent your spleen.

Happily, having identified the prudent approach of steering away from Pilot Boris and his determination to fly Aircraft UK into the side of a mountain, I'm substantially better off today than would otherwise be the case.

I think it was Putin's spokesman who said, "Britain is just a small island who nobody listens to". Many a true word.

Is that you Jim?

[Tuna]

rockin said:

Time will tell. Since Bloomberg is an American/global outfit whose business model is entirely dependent upon objective reporting and decision making I think you're likely to find your version of the "facts" might usefully be preceded by the word "alternative".

You have seen the state of American media lately, haven't you?

[hutchst]

Sam.M said:

But I’m less free than I was four years ago.

Is the Brexit freedom dividend unequally distributed?

You might feel that you are not personally, but there is little persuasive evidence that we, as a Nation, aren't.

[Murph7355]

rockin said:

That's it - never mind the facts, just vent your spleen.

Happily, having identified the prudent approach of steering away from Pilot Boris and his determination to fly Aircraft UK into the side of a mountain, I'm substantially better off today than would otherwise be the case.

I think it was Putin's spokesman who said, "Britain is just a small island who nobody listens to". Many a true word.

Ahhhhh, another furious about Brexit despite it maki g them better off and there being no downside to them.

Are you and Jimboka twins?

Now read the two later posts that explain why your simplistic view's relevance is limited to zero.

[anonymous-user]

Tuna said:

You have seen the state of American media lately, haven't you?

You don't seem to be familiar with the Bloomberg organisation.

"Michael Bloomberg developed and built his own computerized system to provide real-time market data, financial calculations and other financial analytics to Wall Street firms. Merrill Lynch became the first customer, purchasing 20 terminals and a 30% equity stake in the company for $30 million in exchange for a five-year restriction on marketing the terminal to Merrill Lynch's competitors.

"Within a few years, Bloomberg launched ancillary products including Bloomberg Tradebook (a trading platform) and the Bloomberg Messaging Service. Bloomberg launched Bloomberg Business News, later Bloomberg News, in 1990. Bloomberg.com was established in 1993 as a financial portal with information on markets, currency conversion, news and events, and Bloomberg Terminal subscriptions." - Wikipedia

It's simply wouldn't be in their interests to try to influence British politics, let alone trying to do so through a media outlet with a small and specialised business audience.

[S1KRR]

Lord Marylebone said:

Irwin Mitchell aren't some sort of minor piss-pot operation who would risk their reputation by producing a report that was 'a load of cock wash' but if you genuinely feel it isn't accurate, feel free to write them an email of complaint and tell them where they have gone wrong.

They are the people who run "have you had an accident that wasn't your fault" ads on TV.

Bunch of s is exactly what they are. And why everything they say can be discounted as cock wash!

rockin said:

USA stock market - S&P 500 - fully recovered

20 Feb 2020 - 3,373
23 March 2020 - 2,037
19 October 2020 - 3,489

UK stock market - FTSE 100 - down 20%

20 February 2020 - 7,436
23 March 2020 - 4,993
19 October 2020 - 5,895

You do realise that this stat doesn't say what you want it to

amgmcqueen said:

37%....

For Reference

16.1Million voted to Remain.

That's about 24% of the total population (66.65M according to Google)

Which is less than 37%

HTH

rockin said:

I think it was Putin's spokesman who said, "Britain is just a small island who nobody listens to". Many a true word.

Aside from the obvious differences in our respective GDPs

If you understand Russia currently, they are struggling to maintain relevance. They WERE a SuperPower, now they are reduced to the role of prankster. (albeit a fairly dangerous one) Everything they do is designed to try and instil FEAR into other countries to try and stay relevant. Constant sabre rattling, makes them look like they are crying wolf...