How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 15)

[Helicopter123]

i4got said:

Did you even read the article?

UK already allow Australia, Canada, Japan, New Zealand, the US, Singapore and South Korea to use the e-passport gates in the UK.

The EU only allow EU/EEA/CH passports to use e-gates.

UK said it would guarantee allowing EU/EEA passports to continue using e-passports after Brexit if the EU would reciprocate.

EU said no.

So UK will force EU/EEA passports through the manual checks queue.

You think this make the UK look bad?

To anyone else it seems like the EU are acting like children.

Everyone knew what they were voting for, and that includes joining the long "RoW" queue to enter the EU. It's a small price to pay to take back control of our fish. Am I doing this right?

[Troubleatmill]

i4got said:

Whohe123 said:

Apparently Johnson had asked for uk residents to still be allowed to use eu fast track lanes after brexit

https://twitter.com/danielboffey/status/1319628237...

Did you even read the article?

UK already allow Australia, Canada, Japan, New Zealand, the US, Singapore and South Korea to use the e-passport gates in the UK.

The EU only allow EU/EEA/CH passports to use e-gates.

UK said it would guarantee allowing EU/EEA passports to continue using e-passports after Brexit if the EU would reciprocate.

EU said no.

So UK will force EU/EEA passports through the manual checks queue.

You think this make the UK look bad?

To anyone else it seems like the EU are acting like children.

But it is Brexit.
Those who didn't get the result they want will post anything and everything that they see in a headline to make the UK look bad.

Remember Whohe123 is the guy/ girl that posted up about some ebook retailer of unknown authors of middle kingdom type stories ( 39 books ) withdrawing from selling to the UK as they claim they cannot afford to pay the fees involved in VAT declarations.
( Books range from $0.00 to $5.00 )

These 39 books are available from other retailers.

So, Whohe123 and Helicopter123 will not have to do without their trilogy of Wizarding Cats.

Perhaps PH needs a "Now hold on boy - before you copy and paste the latest arse gravy you found on social media/ daily rags on this forum. Have you actually done a little bit of research? Or is it going to make you look a bit foolish.

The UK are being very sensible about this.

If the EU want to fanny about with this. Let them.

[roger.mellie]

Murph7355 said:

roger.mellie said:

I was given some minor heckling on this thread for implying that pre and post EU membership travel would have some noticeable differences.

TBH, I agree with the hecklers that it's an easily solvable problem. But it's not an automatic gimme.

Apparently us frequent flyer cognoscenti will notice the differences but the average beered up tourist on their way to Benidorm won't so all's ok.

Last few times I've travelled the "RoW" lanes have been quietest.

Regardless, if there's no reciprocal arrangement available then big deal.

Picking the right lane is a skill. Is the person in front of you likely to breeze through or is he a dodgy fk who's likely to be questioned for 10 mins when you're in a rush to make a connection? I've passed and failed on that q several times but I get better at it each time!

[Stay in Bed Instead]

i4got said:

You tell me.

Have you forgotten already?

[SpeckledJim]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

Oh, you mean they are treating us like any other third country. Shocking poor attitude.

And yet our fish are not to be treated like any other third country's fish.

UK citizens: not special.
UK fish: very special.

What's the cost to the EU to allow UK tourists and businesspeople easier physical access?

Isn't it in fact a benefit to the EU to make it easier for Brits to visit and spend money? Brussels should write to every hotelier in the EU to explain their reasoning on this one.

[Stay in Bed Instead]

SpeckledJim said:

And yet our fish are not to be treated like any other third country's fish.

UK citizens: not special.
UK fish: very special.

What's the cost to the EU to allow UK tourists and businesspeople easier physical access?

Isn't it in fact a benefit to the EU to make it easier for Brits to visit and spend money? Brussels should write to every hotelier in the EU to explain their reasoning on this one.

Haven't I told you before? It's because they can't eat the people.

[Troubleatmill]

roger.mellie said:

Murph7355 said:

roger.mellie said:

I was given some minor heckling on this thread for implying that pre and post EU membership travel would have some noticeable differences.

TBH, I agree with the hecklers that it's an easily solvable problem. But it's not an automatic gimme.

Apparently us frequent flyer cognoscenti will notice the differences but the average beered up tourist on their way to Benidorm won't so all's ok.

Last few times I've travelled the "RoW" lanes have been quietest.

Regardless, if there's no reciprocal arrangement available then big deal.

Picking the right lane is a skill. Is the person in front of you likely to breeze through or is he a dodgy fk who's likely to be questioned for 10 mins when you're in a rush to make a connection? I've passed and failed on that q several times but I get better at it each time!

For twenty years - I had to fly to the rest of Europe almost on a weekly basis.
You learn PDQ that if anyone sporting the "wrong coloured skin" is in the line ahead of you - you tend to be in for a much long wait.
I'm surprised that this hasn't been successfully addressed.

[Borghetto]

roger.mellie said:

Speaking as a lapsed catholic, my mother would be happy with this

I'm a lapsed CofE and my church schools also foisted fish onto to us pupils on a Friday.

We did have several Irish/Catholic kids in my ILEA school. Apparently due to their parents having had these youngsters out of wedlock, they couldn't join the many local Catholic schools in our borough, It rather coloured my views of the Catholic establishment.

Edited by Borghetto on Friday 23 October 16:02

[roger.mellie]

Troubleatmill said:

For twenty years - I had to fly to the rest of Europe almost on a weekly basis.
You learn PDQ that if anyone sporting the "wrong coloured skin" is in the line ahead of you - you tend to be in for a much long wait.
I'm surprised that this hasn't been successfully addressed.

Very true. It's an immediate red flag if I'm in a hurry.

Not sure which authority could address it though.

[anonymous-user]

Helicopter123 said:

Everyone knew what they were voting for, and that includes joining the long "RoW" queue to enter the EU. It's a small price to pay to take back control of our fish. Am I doing this right?

Pre CV19 I travelled a lot by air to Europe, because we are not in Schengen we always had to go through passport control, quite often the airports didn't even have E gates.

Airports put in place systems to keep people flowing, they don't want big queues for lots of reasons. They expand the lanes that require more throughput.

But you knew that of course, you just wanted another

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 23 October 16:07

[roger.mellie]

Borghetto said:

roger.mellie said:

Speaking as a lapsed catholic, my mother would be happy with this

I'm a lapsed CofE and my church schools also foisted fish onto to us pupils on a Friday.

We did have several Irish/Catholic kids in my ILEA school. Apparently due to their parents having had these youngsters out of wedlock, they couldn't join the many local Catholic schools in our borough, It rather coloured by views of the Catholic establishment.

Any cynical view you have on catholicism is likely something I'll agree on but that would be a massive thread diversion. I don't criticise and fall out with the more religious members of my family but they know where I stand. I've one friend who went to the effort of getting ex communicated, you wouldn't believe the effort it took.

[Troubleatmill]

jsf said:

Helicopter123 said:

Everyone knew what they were voting for, and that includes joining the long "RoW" queue to enter the EU. It's a small price to pay to take back control of our fish. Am I doing this right?

Pre CV19 I travelled a lot by air to Europe, because we are not in Schengen we always had to go through passport control, quite often the airports didn't even have E gates.

Airports put in place systems to keep people flowing, they don't want big queues for lots of reasons. They expand the lanes that require more throughput.

But you knew that of course, you just wanted another

Edited by jsf on Friday 23 October 16:07

Yet another Budgie fail.. Research man.... do some research....

[anonymous-user]

roger.mellie said:

Borghetto said:

roger.mellie said:

Speaking as a lapsed catholic, my mother would be happy with this

I'm a lapsed CofE and my church schools also foisted fish onto to us pupils on a Friday.

We did have several Irish/Catholic kids in my ILEA school. Apparently due to their parents having had these youngsters out of wedlock, they couldn't join the many local Catholic schools in our borough, It rather coloured by views of the Catholic establishment.

Any cynical view you have on catholicism is likely something I'll agree on but that would be a massive thread diversion. I don't criticise and fall out with the more religious members of my family but they know where I stand. I've one friend who went to the effort of getting ex communicated, you wouldn't believe the effort it took.

Try growing up as an atheist in a Catholic family where your uncle is an African missionary, then priest, your cousin is a priest, your grand parents do the admin for the church and teach bible classes, play the organ in church, go to a catholic school with nuns teaching. It's brutal.

I only found out on his death bed my grandfather had converted to Catholism so he could marry my gran, as her family refused the marriage to a CofE. Nowt stranger than religion, poor kids being brainwashed from birth.

There are parallels to those who cant let go of EU membership.

[i4got]

Helicopter123 said:

Everyone knew what they were voting for, and that includes joining the long "RoW" queue to enter the EU. It's a small price to pay to take back control of our fish. Am I doing this right?

Depends on what your intention is? If its to look like a predictable knob, then yes, you're doing it perfectly.

[crankedup]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

SpeckledJim said:

And yet our fish are not to be treated like any other third country's fish.

UK citizens: not special.
UK fish: very special.

What's the cost to the EU to allow UK tourists and businesspeople easier physical access?

Isn't it in fact a benefit to the EU to make it easier for Brits to visit and spend money? Brussels should write to every hotelier in the EU to explain their reasoning on this one.

Haven't I told you before? It's because they can't eat the people.

Hey SIBI, I thought you said you weren’t going to Spoons today, you have haven’t you , you’ve had a bottle or two of that plonk haven’t you!

[crankedup]

Helicopter123 said:

i4got said:

Did you even read the article?

UK already allow Australia, Canada, Japan, New Zealand, the US, Singapore and South Korea to use the e-passport gates in the UK.

The EU only allow EU/EEA/CH passports to use e-gates.

UK said it would guarantee allowing EU/EEA passports to continue using e-passports after Brexit if the EU would reciprocate.

EU said no.

So UK will force EU/EEA passports through the manual checks queue.

You think this make the UK look bad?

To anyone else it seems like the EU are acting like children.

Everyone knew what they were voting for, and that includes joining the long "RoW" queue to enter the EU. It's a small price to pay to take back control of our fish. Am I doing this right?

Macron or is that mackerel certainly seems to be fizzing over it.

[Stay in Bed Instead]

crankedup said:

Hey SIBI, I thought you said you weren’t going to Spoons today, you have haven’t you , you’ve had a bottle or two of that plonk haven’t you!

I wish cranked, I wish ....

[roger.mellie]

jsf said:

roger.mellie said:

Borghetto said:

roger.mellie said:

Speaking as a lapsed catholic, my mother would be happy with this

I'm a lapsed CofE and my church schools also foisted fish onto to us pupils on a Friday.

We did have several Irish/Catholic kids in my ILEA school. Apparently due to their parents having had these youngsters out of wedlock, they couldn't join the many local Catholic schools in our borough, It rather coloured by views of the Catholic establishment.

Any cynical view you have on catholicism is likely something I'll agree on but that would be a massive thread diversion. I don't criticise and fall out with the more religious members of my family but they know where I stand. I've one friend who went to the effort of getting ex communicated, you wouldn't believe the effort it took.

Try growing up as an atheist in a Catholic family where your uncle is an African missionary, then priest, your cousin is a priest, your grand parents do the admin for the church and teach bible classes, play the organ in church, go to a catholic school with nuns teaching. It's brutal.

I only found out on his death bed my grandfather had converted to Catholism so he could marry my gran, as her family refused the marriage to a CofE. Nowt stranger than religion, poor kids being brainwashed from birth.

There are parallels to those who cant let go of EU membership.

I empathise with that. My atheism came later in life than yours by the sounds of it but I know what it's like to grow up in a very religious family. Thankfully nuns and monks had much less power when I grew up compared to my parent's generation.

Since you're twisting, is remain or leave the more fervently religious? Which is more based on faith vs proven facts? It's obvious leave is an expression of faith in an unknown future, remain is a known known

[loafer123]

roger.mellie said:

Since you're twisting, is remain or leave the more fervently religious? Which is more based on faith vs proven facts? It's obvious leave is an expression of faith in an unknown future, remain is a known known

What an interesting philosophical question.

In my view Remain is a cult populated by unquestioning apostles and Leave is full of cynical atheists who will change their views if circumstances change.

Neither are perfect, that's for sure.

[Murph7355]

i4got said:

Helicopter123 said:

Everyone knew what they were voting for, and that includes joining the long "RoW" queue to enter the EU. It's a small price to pay to take back control of our fish. Am I doing this right?

Depends on what your intention is? If its to look like a predictable knob, then yes, you're doing it perfectly.

A sense of fairness is required here.

That is the closest h123 has come to doing anything right on these threads.

An appropriate FTA deal, including on fish, would be worth having to walk the RoW queue.

That he even needs to question that speaks volumes