How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 15)
Discussion
IforB said:
Yes. Yes. Well done. I am sure you are an absolute legend in your own lunchtime.
I "win" stuff at work everyday too.
1. Sarkiest comment in a zoom call that didn't get noticed by the other person 2019 AND 2020.
2. Most cups of tea drunk in a single meeting. (5 BTW.)
3. Best beard in my home office. (The Mrs didn't put up much of a challenge though to be fair.)
And the one that I am most proud of:
4. Best argument over signing off on the expense account with the auditors.
Absolutely nailed that last one. Properly nuked them from orbit. I got the extra 4 quid in VAT when I proved the customer I bought a drink for was from a non-UK based company. Honestly, it was amazing. I called my Mum and everything.
Can I have your autograph though? I am always really impressed with people who do stuff at work that they are paid to do. It's like reeeaaallly impressive.
£4 vat for a drink! I'm guessing Starbucks?I "win" stuff at work everyday too.
1. Sarkiest comment in a zoom call that didn't get noticed by the other person 2019 AND 2020.
2. Most cups of tea drunk in a single meeting. (5 BTW.)
3. Best beard in my home office. (The Mrs didn't put up much of a challenge though to be fair.)
And the one that I am most proud of:
4. Best argument over signing off on the expense account with the auditors.
Absolutely nailed that last one. Properly nuked them from orbit. I got the extra 4 quid in VAT when I proved the customer I bought a drink for was from a non-UK based company. Honestly, it was amazing. I called my Mum and everything.
Can I have your autograph though? I am always really impressed with people who do stuff at work that they are paid to do. It's like reeeaaallly impressive.
Fittster said:
jsf said:
If you go to http://www.trafficengland.com/traffic-report you can select M20 J1 to J13 and then look at the cameras, it looks empty.
If you go on the interactive live map of the area, roads are all clear and normal speed apart from a section of the M2 between J5-J7.
Around 900 lorries were stuck on the M20 on Monday evening - not the 174 that Boris Johnson claimed at a press conference just hours earlier.If you go on the interactive live map of the area, roads are all clear and normal speed apart from a section of the M2 between J5-J7.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/highways-england-confir...
Boris tell fibs shocker!
Tryke3 said:
Fittster said:
jsf said:
If you go to http://www.trafficengland.com/traffic-report you can select M20 J1 to J13 and then look at the cameras, it looks empty.
If you go on the interactive live map of the area, roads are all clear and normal speed apart from a section of the M2 between J5-J7.
Around 900 lorries were stuck on the M20 on Monday evening - not the 174 that Boris Johnson claimed at a press conference just hours earlier.If you go on the interactive live map of the area, roads are all clear and normal speed apart from a section of the M2 between J5-J7.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/highways-england-confir...
Boris tell fibs shocker!
Maybe LBC has got its numbers wrong.
DMN said:
sim72 said:
Who gives a flying f
k about fishing?The Arcadia Group was worth more to GDP and employed more people than UK Fishing, yet no one cared. If Fatso fails again at this point its on him. He will always be the Lord Halifax when he tried to be Churchill.
It therefore makes it an important factor in negotiations.
I agree that taken on it's own, it's not the most significant thing....though I understand the UK fishing fleet was once quite an economic powerhouse (like our ship building, or heavy industry, our nuclear industry etc etc)
Things change of course.
On a side note, it seems I am not alone in thinking the excuse to close ports was a unexpected Christmas gift that fell into the lap of the EU team.
Quelle suprise: we have UK shifting position 24 hours later...
What did the UK get for this though I wonder? Ports to be re opened again? Or some concession from the points under negotiation?
Fittster said:
jsf said:
If you go to http://www.trafficengland.com/traffic-report you can select M20 J1 to J13 and then look at the cameras, it looks empty.
If you go on the interactive live map of the area, roads are all clear and normal speed apart from a section of the M2 between J5-J7.
Around 900 lorries were stuck on the M20 on Monday evening - not the 174 that Boris Johnson claimed at a press conference just hours earlier.If you go on the interactive live map of the area, roads are all clear and normal speed apart from a section of the M2 between J5-J7.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/highways-england-confir...
Boris tell fibs shocker!
loafer123 said:
Fittster said:
jsf said:
If you go to http://www.trafficengland.com/traffic-report you can select M20 J1 to J13 and then look at the cameras, it looks empty.
If you go on the interactive live map of the area, roads are all clear and normal speed apart from a section of the M2 between J5-J7.
Around 900 lorries were stuck on the M20 on Monday evening - not the 174 that Boris Johnson claimed at a press conference just hours earlier.If you go on the interactive live map of the area, roads are all clear and normal speed apart from a section of the M2 between J5-J7.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/highways-england-confir...
Boris tell fibs shocker!
Digga said:
IforB said:
Ah yes. The combative rhetoric of those that have never "won" anything in their life prior to the referendum and so mistake Brexit for a football match that they feel like they are playing in rather than watching.
It is amazing to see these serial losers in life protecting their "win" as if it was all their own work.
You could call it childish, but that would be an insult to children.
TBF, there's definitely an element of truth in the fact that too many people felt completely ignored and alienated by the Islinton set style of politics.It is amazing to see these serial losers in life protecting their "win" as if it was all their own work.
You could call it childish, but that would be an insult to children.
They were supposed to suck up multiculturalism as the bien pensants saw it, when in fact, the reality on the ground - in the old Labour heartlands especially it seems - was far less attractive or desirable.
However, to tar everyone who voted leave with that brush is to make the same mistake, again, and again, and again, as the bewildered Remainers made in 2016.
People feeling disenfranchised and wanting to register a vote of protest was a very common thing during the referendum. In many ways it was a vote against Cameron and that style of politics rather than a vote that had anything to do with the EU. It was the same with other elections such as local council elections or EU elections. They would throw up weird results as people took them less seriously.
What I do fail to understand is the continued support for this utter disaster. 2016 was a very long time ago and we know so much more than we did and the impact of it is now clear for all to see. Now, this is just an act of monumental self-harm and the masochists are calling out for it to be harder and more painful.
That is just a bit weird.
IforB said:
What I do fail to understand is the continued support for this utter disaster. 2016 was a very long time ago and we know so much more than we did and the impact of it is now clear for all to see. Now, this is just an act of monumental self-harm and the masochists are calling out for it to be harder and more painful.
That is just a bit weird.
Indeed we know that fiscal transfer and EU wide debt mutualisation is proven fact. Far earlier than many predicted.That is just a bit weird.
Of course those whining most about "cost to them" of leaving failed to factor in increased EU single market access costs. UK tax payers / UK plc WILL be paying for public sector largesse (as in pensions etc) in France, Italy, Spain, Belgium etc. But thats ok, IforB and a few others think anyone concerned about that are idiots.
To get single market access you pays to play. Its not free. If you don't know the costs of your business, you are hardly the business titans you proclaim.
IforB said:
Digga said:
IforB said:
Ah yes. The combative rhetoric of those that have never "won" anything in their life prior to the referendum and so mistake Brexit for a football match that they feel like they are playing in rather than watching.
It is amazing to see these serial losers in life protecting their "win" as if it was all their own work.
You could call it childish, but that would be an insult to children.
TBF, there's definitely an element of truth in the fact that too many people felt completely ignored and alienated by the Islinton set style of politics.It is amazing to see these serial losers in life protecting their "win" as if it was all their own work.
You could call it childish, but that would be an insult to children.
They were supposed to suck up multiculturalism as the bien pensants saw it, when in fact, the reality on the ground - in the old Labour heartlands especially it seems - was far less attractive or desirable.
However, to tar everyone who voted leave with that brush is to make the same mistake, again, and again, and again, as the bewildered Remainers made in 2016.
People feeling disenfranchised and wanting to register a vote of protest was a very common thing during the referendum. In many ways it was a vote against Cameron and that style of politics rather than a vote that had anything to do with the EU. It was the same with other elections such as local council elections or EU elections. They would throw up weird results as people took them less seriously.
What I do fail to understand is the continued support for this utter disaster. 2016 was a very long time ago and we know so much more than we did and the impact of it is now clear for all to see. Now, this is just an act of monumental self-harm and the masochists are calling out for it to be harder and more painful.
That is just a bit weird.
Can't you just accept the direction of travel the EU is taking did not sit well with the electorate?
Setting up Embassies worldwide
A common currency
Restricting what rate of tax countries can charge
Letting countries join who clearly do not meet the requirements
Wanting an army
Wanting more Central EU powers
Now they are taking out debt on behalf of member states
Many of us never wanted the EEC to turn into the EU.
The one time we were asked if we wanted to stay or leave - they got their answer.
Every day on this forum someone will pipe up in some guise "Remainers are better/smarter than Leavers. Let's stop this now".
Like a failed political party leader losing the election "We just didn't get our message through to the electorate." They never say "The electorate understood our message - and the majority didn't really like what we were saying"
Try and accept it.
It might be a bit bumpy for a while, business will adapt and life will go on.
IforB said:
What I do fail to understand is the continued support for this utter disaster. 2016 was a very long time ago and we know so much more than we did and the impact of it is now clear for all to see. Now, this is just an act of monumental self-harm and the masochists are calling out for it to be harder and more painful.
Yet again we hear the argument that everyone would have voted remain if only they were as educated, knowledgeable, intelligent & worldly-wise as yourself.It's getting stale.
stongle said:
Biggy Stardust said:
Yet again we hear the argument that everyone would have voted remain if only they were as educated, knowledgeable, intelligent & worldly-wise as yourself.
It's getting stale.
I think the reality is, if only they were a narcissistic bigot like IforB.It's getting stale.
Textbook.
Ian Geary said:
On a side note, it seems I am not alone in thinking the excuse to close ports was a unexpected Christmas gift that fell into the lap of the EU team.
Quelle suprise: we have UK shifting position 24 hours later...
What did the UK get for this though I wonder? Ports to be re opened again? Or some concession from the points under negotiation?
Given that there is a clear divergence of opinions and we all interpret events differently, I would be interested in the remainer opinion on French actions - motivated by COVID or Brexit? Quelle suprise: we have UK shifting position 24 hours later...
What did the UK get for this though I wonder? Ports to be re opened again? Or some concession from the points under negotiation?
stongle said:
Biggy Stardust said:
Yet again we hear the argument that everyone would have voted remain if only they were as educated, knowledgeable, intelligent & worldly-wise as yourself.
It's getting stale.
I think the reality is, if only they were a narcissistic bigot like IforB.It's getting stale.
Textbook.
(I'm sure you already have) ;-)
IforB said:
Yes. Yes. Well done. I am sure you are an absolute legend in your own lunchtime.
I "win" stuff at work everyday too.
1. Sarkiest comment in a zoom call that didn't get noticed by the other person 2019 AND 2020.
2. Most cups of tea drunk in a single meeting. (5 BTW.)
3. Best beard in my home office. (The Mrs didn't put up much of a challenge though to be fair.)
And the one that I am most proud of:
4. Best argument over signing off on the expense account with the auditors.
Absolutely nailed that last one. Properly nuked them from orbit. I got the extra 4 quid in VAT when I proved the customer I bought a drink for was from a non-UK based company. Honestly, it was amazing. I called my Mum and everything.
Can I have your autograph though? I am always really impressed with people who do stuff at work that they are paid to do. It's like reeeaaallly impressive.
Perhaps you should not call Brexit supporters losers, and then post things like that. Makes you look a little, well, desperate.I "win" stuff at work everyday too.
1. Sarkiest comment in a zoom call that didn't get noticed by the other person 2019 AND 2020.
2. Most cups of tea drunk in a single meeting. (5 BTW.)
3. Best beard in my home office. (The Mrs didn't put up much of a challenge though to be fair.)
And the one that I am most proud of:
4. Best argument over signing off on the expense account with the auditors.
Absolutely nailed that last one. Properly nuked them from orbit. I got the extra 4 quid in VAT when I proved the customer I bought a drink for was from a non-UK based company. Honestly, it was amazing. I called my Mum and everything.
Can I have your autograph though? I am always really impressed with people who do stuff at work that they are paid to do. It's like reeeaaallly impressive.
chrispmartha said:
Why not just run off to teacher and tell on him?
(I'm sure you already have) ;-)
Ooooh, the wits are in; report 1 post and you are the equivalent of Giovanni Brusca. (I'm sure you already have) ;-)
I don't mind, I've won already. At somepoint common sense will prevail in government on an appropriate deal; and businesses really aren't as wimp wrested no ball having organisations that need "mummy government to hold their hands and wipe botty" as some crying obviously require.
Change makes opportunity, regulatory or tax disparity breeds arbitrage. And if you don't know how good the UK is at regulatory or price arbitrage; I don't believe any of the business titan claims.
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