Teacher decapitated in Paris by enraged parent.
Discussion
Kent Border Kenny said:
jakesmith said:
Yeah you're actually right, better ban it then.
No need for a ban necessarily.Look at how we dealt with drink-driving for an example. Education and a change in social attitudes could be the answer. Government handing out flyers outside mosques, schools teaching how silly the tenets are, people letting Muslims know that if they need help to give up their addiction to Islam that it’s available.
We’d have some beheadings of course, in the short-term, but you can’t make an omelette without removing heads, as they say.
A lot gets lost in translation between what is religious and what is cultural.
Killing people, everyone else being an infidel so don't mix with them, cover yourself like you're visiting Chernobyl - This isn't islamic.
On the killing front that is a b
disation of the religion. One of the literal first verses states killing one innocent life is as though you have killed all of mankind.
To a sane muslim, the teacher is a prat, to a radicalised nut job he isn't innocent and deserves to be killed.
The infidel/non mixing front - That's utter bs. I know 100s of people who are muslim and mix with everyone, doesn't state that in the religion and again is misinterpreted by wackos.
Lastly the covering up, Islam just says cover yourself modestly, the whole cover yourself head to toe is an Arabic tradition that has bled through as being an Islamic thing.
As is quite obvious, I'm a muslim and know 100s of others who are totally fine and you wouldn't bat an eyelid around them. On the flip I know a few who just never integrated with society for one reason or another.
Like anything you find tts in any demographic of society.
Killing people, everyone else being an infidel so don't mix with them, cover yourself like you're visiting Chernobyl - This isn't islamic.
On the killing front that is a b
disation of the religion. One of the literal first verses states killing one innocent life is as though you have killed all of mankind.To a sane muslim, the teacher is a prat, to a radicalised nut job he isn't innocent and deserves to be killed.
The infidel/non mixing front - That's utter bs. I know 100s of people who are muslim and mix with everyone, doesn't state that in the religion and again is misinterpreted by wackos.
Lastly the covering up, Islam just says cover yourself modestly, the whole cover yourself head to toe is an Arabic tradition that has bled through as being an Islamic thing.
As is quite obvious, I'm a muslim and know 100s of others who are totally fine and you wouldn't bat an eyelid around them. On the flip I know a few who just never integrated with society for one reason or another.
Like anything you find t
ts in any demographic of society.TheGreatDane said:
A lot gets lost in translation between what is religious and what is cultural.
Killing people, everyone else being an infidel so don't mix with them, cover yourself like you're visiting Chernobyl - This isn't islamic.
On the killing front that is a bdisation of the religion. One of the literal first verses states killing one innocent life is as though you have killed all of mankind.
To a sane muslim, the teacher is a prat, to a radicalised nut job he isn't innocent and deserves to be killed.
The infidel/non mixing front - That's utter bs. I know 100s of people who are muslim and mix with everyone, doesn't state that in the religion and again is misinterpreted by wackos.
Lastly the covering up, Islam just says cover yourself modestly, the whole cover yourself head to toe is an Arabic tradition that has bled through as being an Islamic thing.
As is quite obvious, I'm a muslim and know 100s of others who are totally fine and you wouldn't bat an eyelid around them. On the flip I know a few who just never integrated with society for one reason or another.
Like anything you find tts in any demographic of society.
Sensible post, thank you.Killing people, everyone else being an infidel so don't mix with them, cover yourself like you're visiting Chernobyl - This isn't islamic.
On the killing front that is a b
disation of the religion. One of the literal first verses states killing one innocent life is as though you have killed all of mankind.To a sane muslim, the teacher is a prat, to a radicalised nut job he isn't innocent and deserves to be killed.
The infidel/non mixing front - That's utter bs. I know 100s of people who are muslim and mix with everyone, doesn't state that in the religion and again is misinterpreted by wackos.
Lastly the covering up, Islam just says cover yourself modestly, the whole cover yourself head to toe is an Arabic tradition that has bled through as being an Islamic thing.
As is quite obvious, I'm a muslim and know 100s of others who are totally fine and you wouldn't bat an eyelid around them. On the flip I know a few who just never integrated with society for one reason or another.
Like anything you find t
ts in any demographic of society.Why are you a Muslim ? I don't mean anything by that, its not a loaded question I am just asking because I am interested in why you are seemingly sensible and "moderate" and Muslim, Were you born into it or a convert ?
Getragdogleg said:
Sensible post, thank you.
Why are you a Muslim ? I don't mean anything by that, its not a loaded question I am just asking because I am interested in why you are seemingly sensible and "moderate" and Muslim, Were you born into it or a convert ?
Born into it.Why are you a Muslim ? I don't mean anything by that, its not a loaded question I am just asking because I am interested in why you are seemingly sensible and "moderate" and Muslim, Were you born into it or a convert ?
Ultimately I guess its the way I was raised by my parents, I'm just tolerant of others and their beliefs and respect them.
Except Man Utd fans.
TheGreatDane said:
Getragdogleg said:
Sensible post, thank you.
Why are you a Muslim ? I don't mean anything by that, its not a loaded question I am just asking because I am interested in why you are seemingly sensible and "moderate" and Muslim, Were you born into it or a convert ?
Born into it.Why are you a Muslim ? I don't mean anything by that, its not a loaded question I am just asking because I am interested in why you are seemingly sensible and "moderate" and Muslim, Were you born into it or a convert ?
Ultimately I guess its the way I was raised by my parents, I'm just tolerant of others and their beliefs and respect them.
Except Man Utd fans.
In fact some of the biggest t
ts I know are religious and go hard to prove how good they are by attending church and being seen to do good yet would stab you in the back if they had a chance.I think religion can be an amplifier for dangerous people and is often a crutch for weak minds to try and make sense of life.
TheGreatDane said:
A lot gets lost in translation between what is religious and what is cultural.
Killing people, everyone else being an infidel so don't mix with them, cover yourself like you're visiting Chernobyl - This isn't islamic.
On the killing front that is a bdisation of the religion. One of the literal first verses states killing one innocent life is as though you have killed all of mankind.
To a sane muslim, the teacher is a prat, to a radicalised nut job he isn't innocent and deserves to be killed.
The infidel/non mixing front - That's utter bs. I know 100s of people who are muslim and mix with everyone, doesn't state that in the religion and again is misinterpreted by wackos.
Lastly the covering up, Islam just says cover yourself modestly, the whole cover yourself head to toe is an Arabic tradition that has bled through as being an Islamic thing.
As is quite obvious, I'm a muslim and know 100s of others who are totally fine and you wouldn't bat an eyelid around them. On the flip I know a few who just never integrated with society for one reason or another.
Like anything you find tts in any demographic of society.
That all depends on your interpretation of the scriptures, and what you have been told / brought up, it appears to be the most misinterpreted book ever written. Killing people, everyone else being an infidel so don't mix with them, cover yourself like you're visiting Chernobyl - This isn't islamic.
On the killing front that is a b
disation of the religion. One of the literal first verses states killing one innocent life is as though you have killed all of mankind.To a sane muslim, the teacher is a prat, to a radicalised nut job he isn't innocent and deserves to be killed.
The infidel/non mixing front - That's utter bs. I know 100s of people who are muslim and mix with everyone, doesn't state that in the religion and again is misinterpreted by wackos.
Lastly the covering up, Islam just says cover yourself modestly, the whole cover yourself head to toe is an Arabic tradition that has bled through as being an Islamic thing.
As is quite obvious, I'm a muslim and know 100s of others who are totally fine and you wouldn't bat an eyelid around them. On the flip I know a few who just never integrated with society for one reason or another.
Like anything you find t
ts in any demographic of society.You appear to be of the opinion that everything bad that happens due to or because of islam is not real / a misinterpretation. Yet there are millions of muslims who hold a different interpretation. Or it is all Saudi Arabia's fault ?
All you appear to be doing is ignoring the issues and claiming all the bad things are un islamic, yet almost every country in Europe has suffered from Islamic Terrorism, that hardy moves anything forward, it just continues to create an entrenched position on both sides.
coolg said:
That all depends on your interpretation of the scriptures, and what you have been told / brought up, it appears to be the most misinterpreted book ever written.
You appear to be of the opinion that everything bad that happens due to or because of islam is not real / a misinterpretation. Yet there are millions of muslims who hold a different interpretation. Or it is all Saudi Arabia's fault ?
All you appear to be doing is ignoring the issues and claiming all the bad things are un islamic, yet almost every country in Europe has suffered from Islamic Terrorism, that hardy moves anything forward, it just continues to create an entrenched position on both sides.
All religious texts were written thousands of years ago, you literally cannot apply them at literal value now and that goes for any religion.You appear to be of the opinion that everything bad that happens due to or because of islam is not real / a misinterpretation. Yet there are millions of muslims who hold a different interpretation. Or it is all Saudi Arabia's fault ?
All you appear to be doing is ignoring the issues and claiming all the bad things are un islamic, yet almost every country in Europe has suffered from Islamic Terrorism, that hardy moves anything forward, it just continues to create an entrenched position on both sides.
On your point of everything bad happening and millions holding an extreme interpretation, millions do I agree but is that because they've been steered to that path by someone or is it simply a result of being muslim?
Case in point is America, the biggest issue of terrorism is domestic and white nationalism - No one wakes up one day and thinks "I'm going to go shoot people because they aren't white" its fed into them by others.
And as for Europe having incidents, again we need to address the root cause why individuals go down this path.
TheGreatDane said:
A lot gets lost in translation between what is religious and what is cultural.
Killing people, everyone else being an infidel so don't mix with them, cover yourself like you're visiting Chernobyl - This isn't islamic.
On the killing front that is a bdisation of the religion. One of the literal first verses states killing one innocent life is as though you have killed all of mankind.
To a sane muslim, the teacher is a prat, to a radicalised nut job he isn't innocent and deserves to be killed.
The infidel/non mixing front - That's utter bs. I know 100s of people who are muslim and mix with everyone, doesn't state that in the religion and again is misinterpreted by wackos.
Lastly the covering up, Islam just says cover yourself modestly, the whole cover yourself head to toe is an Arabic tradition that has bled through as being an Islamic thing.
As is quite obvious, I'm a muslim and know 100s of others who are totally fine and you wouldn't bat an eyelid around them. On the flip I know a few who just never integrated with society for one reason or another.
Like anything you find tts in any demographic of society.
You are saying what your view is if what Islam says, but you’ll certainly be aware that many Muslim scholars and authorities disagree profoundly, and that your interpretation is no more or less valid than theirs.Killing people, everyone else being an infidel so don't mix with them, cover yourself like you're visiting Chernobyl - This isn't islamic.
On the killing front that is a b
disation of the religion. One of the literal first verses states killing one innocent life is as though you have killed all of mankind.To a sane muslim, the teacher is a prat, to a radicalised nut job he isn't innocent and deserves to be killed.
The infidel/non mixing front - That's utter bs. I know 100s of people who are muslim and mix with everyone, doesn't state that in the religion and again is misinterpreted by wackos.
Lastly the covering up, Islam just says cover yourself modestly, the whole cover yourself head to toe is an Arabic tradition that has bled through as being an Islamic thing.
As is quite obvious, I'm a muslim and know 100s of others who are totally fine and you wouldn't bat an eyelid around them. On the flip I know a few who just never integrated with society for one reason or another.
Like anything you find t
ts in any demographic of society.One of the issues that raises eyebrows amongst us khuffar is that many Muslims, moderate or extreme, feel more kinship for a Muslim halfway across the world than they do with their next door Neighbour. This is a really alien concept to most non-Muslim people I think.
Kent Border Kenny said:
You are saying what your view is if what Islam says, but you’ll certainly be aware that many Muslim scholars and authorities disagree profoundly, and that your interpretation is no more or less valid than theirs.
One of the issues that raises eyebrows amongst us khuffar is that many Muslims, moderate or extreme, feel more kinship for a Muslim halfway across the world than they do with their next door Neighbour. This is a really alien concept to most non-Muslim people I think.
I agree wholeheartedly with your point on interpretations, it's just how it is. One of the issues that raises eyebrows amongst us khuffar is that many Muslims, moderate or extreme, feel more kinship for a Muslim halfway across the world than they do with their next door Neighbour. This is a really alien concept to most non-Muslim people I think.
And on the below point, I would say it's partially true but ask yourself why. Tell me a non-muslim country in the last few years that has seen some of the atrocities that muslim countries like Yemen, Libya, Iraq and Syria have endured?
I have huge empathy for those countries because of what they have gone through, equally I couldn't give a monkeys ass about any other muslim country.
People are people to me, regardless of any other factor.
Edited by TheGreatDane on Tuesday 27th October 11:34
TheGreatDane said:
I agree wholeheartedly with your point on interpretations, it's just how it is.
And on the below point, I would say it's partially true but ask yourself why. Tell me a non-muslim country that has seen some of the atrocities that muslim countries like Yemen, Libya, Iraq and Syria have endured?
I have huge empathy for those countries because of what they have gone through, equally I couldn't give a monkeys ass about any other muslim country.
People are people to me, regardless of any other factor.
That would appear to put you at odds with some Muslims in the UK who are always supportive of heir brothers and sisters in other countries.And on the below point, I would say it's partially true but ask yourself why. Tell me a non-muslim country that has seen some of the atrocities that muslim countries like Yemen, Libya, Iraq and Syria have endured?
I have huge empathy for those countries because of what they have gone through, equally I couldn't give a monkeys ass about any other muslim country.
People are people to me, regardless of any other factor.
Not sure on your point re non muslim countries as opposed to the yemen syria etc ??
Why is your interpretation right and others wrong ??
TheGreatDane said:
All religious texts were written thousands of years ago, you literally cannot apply them at literal value now and that goes for any religion.
On your point of everything bad happening and millions holding an extreme interpretation, millions do I agree but is that because they've been steered to that path by someone or is it simply a result of being muslim?
Case in point is America, the biggest issue of terrorism is domestic and white nationalism - No one wakes up one day and thinks "I'm going to go shoot people because they aren't white" its fed into them by others.
And as for Europe having incidents, again we need to address the root cause why individuals go down this path.
That makes perfect sense, of course you cant apply them to the modern world, which suggests you accept that there are aspects of islam that are out of date / not compatible with the modern world ?On your point of everything bad happening and millions holding an extreme interpretation, millions do I agree but is that because they've been steered to that path by someone or is it simply a result of being muslim?
Case in point is America, the biggest issue of terrorism is domestic and white nationalism - No one wakes up one day and thinks "I'm going to go shoot people because they aren't white" its fed into them by others.
And as for Europe having incidents, again we need to address the root cause why individuals go down this path.
Somebody following those parts are not wrong, that is the actual word / instruction of God, they may not be relevant / appropriate to the modern world but they are not un islamic.
Everybody needs a reason / belief to carry out an act. Some will be fed some will be observed by themselves and some will think it is the word of their God. People aren't born Muslim, they are instructed into it by their family.
Europe is a clash of cultures.
coolg said:
That would appear to put you at odds with some Muslims in the UK who are always supportive of heir brothers and sisters in other countries.
Not sure on your point re non muslim countries as opposed to the yemen syria etc ??
Why is your interpretation right and others wrong ??
I never stated my interpretation is right and others wrong, its my interpretation and I take what I have learnt and adapt it to western values and as a result I live a peaceful and prosperous life so I see no need to change it. Not sure on your point re non muslim countries as opposed to the yemen syria etc ??
Why is your interpretation right and others wrong ??
I stated a fact previously that Islam says you don't kill innocent people and these idiots that do literally go against a fundamental belief of the religion. The reason why they do if I were to hazard a guess? Either they've been told killing a "kuffar" gets them into heaven or its because they've been radicalised by someone to see everyone is out to get them.
My point regarding non-muslim countries is a large majority of muslims have more compassion towards muslims on the other side of the world due to the daily s
tstorm they are enduring. I asked for an example of a non-muslim country which is suffering from such events.
TheGreatDane said:
A lot gets lost in translation between what is religious and what is cultural.
Killing people, everyone else being an infidel so don't mix with them, cover yourself like you're visiting Chernobyl - This isn't islamic.
On the killing front that is a bdisation of the religion. One of the literal first verses states killing one innocent life is as though you have killed all of mankind.
To a sane muslim, the teacher is a prat, to a radicalised nut job he isn't innocent and deserves to be killed.
The infidel/non mixing front - That's utter bs. I know 100s of people who are muslim and mix with everyone, doesn't state that in the religion and again is misinterpreted by wackos.
Lastly the covering up, Islam just says cover yourself modestly, the whole cover yourself head to toe is an Arabic tradition that has bled through as being an Islamic thing.
As is quite obvious, I'm a muslim and know 100s of others who are totally fine and you wouldn't bat an eyelid around them. On the flip I know a few who just never integrated with society for one reason or another.
Like anything you find tts in any demographic of society.
The bit in bold is the bit I don't get. I get that Muslims have certain rules that they have to stick to. But if you're not a muslim then none of those rules apply to you. Why are muslim norms being applied to a secular teacher. Arguably one of, if not the, biggest freedom of speech story in France in recent times was the Mohammed pictures story. Its a valid thing for a teacher to teach his kids about in a freedom of speech class.Killing people, everyone else being an infidel so don't mix with them, cover yourself like you're visiting Chernobyl - This isn't islamic.
On the killing front that is a b
disation of the religion. One of the literal first verses states killing one innocent life is as though you have killed all of mankind.To a sane muslim, the teacher is a prat, to a radicalised nut job he isn't innocent and deserves to be killed.
The infidel/non mixing front - That's utter bs. I know 100s of people who are muslim and mix with everyone, doesn't state that in the religion and again is misinterpreted by wackos.
Lastly the covering up, Islam just says cover yourself modestly, the whole cover yourself head to toe is an Arabic tradition that has bled through as being an Islamic thing.
As is quite obvious, I'm a muslim and know 100s of others who are totally fine and you wouldn't bat an eyelid around them. On the flip I know a few who just never integrated with society for one reason or another.
Like anything you find t
ts in any demographic of society.It seems that your viewpoint that a teacher doing his job and breaking no laws gets remembered as a bit of a prat and that that is something that its OK for sane people to think.?
I would say that most sane people don't think that - it smacks of victim blaming - and am surprised that you say these are the views of your sane friends.
TheGreatDane said:
I agree wholeheartedly with your point on interpretations, it's just how it is.
And on the below point, I would say it's partially true but ask yourself why. Tell me a non-muslim country in the last few years that has seen some of the atrocities that muslim countries like Yemen, Libya, Iraq and Syria have endured?
I have huge empathy for those countries because of what they have gone through, equally I couldn't give a monkeys ass about any other muslim country.
People are people to me, regardless of any other factor.
I’m not sure what your point is with Yemen, Siri’s etc, as I agree with you. For some reason it seems to nearly always be Muslim countries that end up in inter-sect genocide.And on the below point, I would say it's partially true but ask yourself why. Tell me a non-muslim country in the last few years that has seen some of the atrocities that muslim countries like Yemen, Libya, Iraq and Syria have endured?
I have huge empathy for those countries because of what they have gone through, equally I couldn't give a monkeys ass about any other muslim country.
People are people to me, regardless of any other factor.
Edited by TheGreatDane on Tuesday 27th October 11:34
Not always, as Rwanda has shown, but if you look at the Middle East, the only really civiliséd state is Israel.
If we then look at an example of what happens to a country once an Islamic state is imposed, very few of the examples are positive. Isis and the Taliban are obviously the go-to recent examples of what an Islamic state can look like, but Iran is probably the best example. A modern, tolerant pluralistic society that was taken back to the dark ages.
I don’t think that Muslims in the UK have even an atom of blame or responsibility for any of this, but those in the UK claiming that they feel a kinship with the ayatollahs rather than with the Parisian teacher, or Salman Rushdie are expressing views that don’t make me feel comfortable.
i4got said:
The bit in bold is the bit I don't get. I get that Muslims have certain rules that they have to stick to. But if you're not a muslim then none of those rules apply to you. Why are muslim norms being applied to a secular teacher. Arguably one of, if not the, biggest freedom of speech story in France in recent times was the Mohammed pictures story. Its a valid thing for a teacher to teach his kids about in a freedom of speech class.
It seems that your viewpoint that a teacher doing his job and breaking no laws gets remembered as a bit of a prat and that that is something that its OK for sane people to think.?
I would say that most sane people don't think that - it smacks of victim blaming - and am surprised that you say these are the views of your sane friends.
Maybe I should have provided more context to my point, its a very sensitive subject in France given their demographics.It seems that your viewpoint that a teacher doing his job and breaking no laws gets remembered as a bit of a prat and that that is something that its OK for sane people to think.?
I would say that most sane people don't think that - it smacks of victim blaming - and am surprised that you say these are the views of your sane friends.
I completely believe in freedom of speech but would I err some caution depending on where I was? Yes.
It's a s
t situation but he lit a fuse, and someone exploded and that would happen anywhere with any sensitive topic.If I went to the Southern States and sprouted something deeply offensive to the people there, I don't imagine I'd make it out.
jakesmith said:
Kent Border Kenny said:
coolg said:
But without religion they wouldn't have been decapitated. When you are told from an early age that God is this and that, combined with Blasphemy is a sin punishable by death, i wager without religion he wouldn't have carried this out.
If it's not religion that is driving people to carry out these sort of attacks, then why is it always the muslims doing it?I've lost count of how many work sweepstakes I've lost on the religious affiliations of the next attacker who implies that they are diong it for religious reasons. Have you any idea how long it is since a Methodist blew up a tube train?
Though I do generally agree with you, the fact that there's "something" which can be twisted to an absolute right and wrong and MUST NOT BE QUESTIONED OR YOU DON'T GET TO HEAVEN/NIRVANA/WHATEVER is worth some discussion.
TheGreatDane said:
A lot gets lost in translation between what is religious and what is cultural.
Killing people, everyone else being an infidel so don't mix with them, cover yourself like you're visiting Chernobyl - This isn't islamic.
On the killing front that is a bdisation of the religion. One of the literal first verses states killing one innocent life is as though you have killed all of mankind.
To a sane muslim, the teacher is a prat, to a radicalised nut job he isn't innocent and deserves to be killed.
The infidel/non mixing front - That's utter bs. I know 100s of people who are muslim and mix with everyone, doesn't state that in the religion and again is misinterpreted by wackos.
Lastly the covering up, Islam just says cover yourself modestly, the whole cover yourself head to toe is an Arabic tradition that has bled through as being an Islamic thing.
As is quite obvious, I'm a muslim and know 100s of others who are totally fine and you wouldn't bat an eyelid around them. On the flip I know a few who just never integrated with society for one reason or another.
Like anything you find tts in any demographic of society.
If it was cultural why do we see the same behaviour from different cultures (why does an african muslim do the same thing as an eastern european muslim for example ?) Killing people, everyone else being an infidel so don't mix with them, cover yourself like you're visiting Chernobyl - This isn't islamic.
On the killing front that is a b
disation of the religion. One of the literal first verses states killing one innocent life is as though you have killed all of mankind.To a sane muslim, the teacher is a prat, to a radicalised nut job he isn't innocent and deserves to be killed.
The infidel/non mixing front - That's utter bs. I know 100s of people who are muslim and mix with everyone, doesn't state that in the religion and again is misinterpreted by wackos.
Lastly the covering up, Islam just says cover yourself modestly, the whole cover yourself head to toe is an Arabic tradition that has bled through as being an Islamic thing.
As is quite obvious, I'm a muslim and know 100s of others who are totally fine and you wouldn't bat an eyelid around them. On the flip I know a few who just never integrated with society for one reason or another.
Like anything you find t
ts in any demographic of society.Obviously the issue is how some interpret the laws ,one persons jihad is very different from how someone else views it,but people are gullible enough to follow the more unsavoury interpretation.
Edited by franki68 on Tuesday 27th October 12:11
TheGreatDane said:
Maybe I should have provided more context to my point, its a very sensitive subject in France given their demographics.
I completely believe in freedom of speech but would I err some caution depending on where I was? Yes.
It's a st situation but he lit a fuse, and someone exploded and that would happen anywhere with any sensitive topic.
If I went to the Southern States and sprouted something deeply offensive to the people there, I don't imagine I'd make it out.
I get your point but he hasn't popped over to Mecca to abuse anyone. He is teaching a valid lesson in a Western civilised capital city and that should not be offensive to anyone.I completely believe in freedom of speech but would I err some caution depending on where I was? Yes.
It's a s
t situation but he lit a fuse, and someone exploded and that would happen anywhere with any sensitive topic.If I went to the Southern States and sprouted something deeply offensive to the people there, I don't imagine I'd make it out.
Kent Border Kenny said:
I’m not sure what your point is with Yemen, Siri’s etc, as I agree with you. For some reason it seems to nearly always be Muslim countries that end up in inter-sect genocide.
Not always, as Rwanda has shown, but if you look at the Middle East, the only really civiliséd state is Israel.
If we then look at an example of what happens to a country once an Islamic state is imposed, very few of the examples are positive. Isis and the Taliban are obviously the go-to recent examples of what an Islamic state can look like, but Iran is probably the best example. A modern, tolerant pluralistic society that was taken back to the dark ages.
I don’t think that Muslims in the UK have even an atom of blame or responsibility for any of this, but those in the UK claiming that they feel a kinship with the ayatollahs rather than with the Parisian teacher, or Salman Rushdie are expressing views that don’t make me feel comfortable.
The middle east has always been fractured and from what I've read with the exception of Yemen you have outside forces instigating war (Syria - Russia, Iraq - US, UK, Aus).Not always, as Rwanda has shown, but if you look at the Middle East, the only really civiliséd state is Israel.
If we then look at an example of what happens to a country once an Islamic state is imposed, very few of the examples are positive. Isis and the Taliban are obviously the go-to recent examples of what an Islamic state can look like, but Iran is probably the best example. A modern, tolerant pluralistic society that was taken back to the dark ages.
I don’t think that Muslims in the UK have even an atom of blame or responsibility for any of this, but those in the UK claiming that they feel a kinship with the ayatollahs rather than with the Parisian teacher, or Salman Rushdie are expressing views that don’t make me feel comfortable.
In Syria Assad didnt want to give up power, he called in Putin and s
t hits the fan.Iraq - Saddam was a big bad guy, they got rid and now its opened a can of worms with loonies all vying for power.
Like I said, anyone can cherry pick examples but a few bad apples doesn't mean the tree is rotten.
On the point of Ayatollahs I actually chuckled, I have never met a single person who said they feel a kinship with Ayatollahs and believe me I've met many muslims.
Edited by TheGreatDane on Tuesday 27th October 12:13
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