Teacher decapitated in Paris by enraged parent.
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Troubleatmill said:
stitched said:
This question is genuinely not an attempt to trip you, nor is it in any way meant to denigrate your religion.
Do you feel, as a devout muslim, that the islamic faith is compatible with western society?
In your case it obviously is but in general?
Do you feel, as a devout muslim, that the islamic faith is compatible with western society?
In your case it obviously is but in general?
TheGreatDane said:
(lots of stuff )
It's a s
t situation but he lit a fuse....
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Just read our protagonists response. It's a s
t situation but he lit a fuse....( more stuff )
It should scare you.
I chose to apologise to a poster on here as my response was OTT.
Not going to judge TGD on a single line and genuinely interested in his response.
I used to work with a wide minded chap whose family and background was entirely Sunni Muslim and valued his take on things, lost contact with him and I'm genuinely interested in the take of a gent who appears on the face to be a muslim who lives in a non muslim country and feels integrated.
If any of that comes across as patronising it was not intended to be so.
stitched said:
Troubleatmill said:
stitched said:
This question is genuinely not an attempt to trip you, nor is it in any way meant to denigrate your religion.
Do you feel, as a devout muslim, that the islamic faith is compatible with western society?
In your case it obviously is but in general?
Do you feel, as a devout muslim, that the islamic faith is compatible with western society?
In your case it obviously is but in general?
TheGreatDane said:
(lots of stuff )
It's a st situation but he lit a fuse....
( more stuff )
Just read our protagonists response. It's a s
t situation but he lit a fuse....( more stuff )
It should scare you.
I chose to apologise to a poster on here as my response was OTT.
Not going to judge TGD on a single line and genuinely interested in his response.
I used to work with a wide minded chap whose family and background was entirely Sunni Muslim and valued his take on things, lost contact with him and I'm genuinely interested in the take of a gent who appears on the face to be a muslim who lives in a non muslim country and feels integrated.
If any of that comes across as patronising it was not intended to be so.
TGD posted up as a man/ woman? who proclaimed he used logic to administer his religion.
I posted up a few extracts/ summaries of the Koran ( not to trip him up as he asserted ) - but quite simply the Koran makes wildly far fetched claims.
It is either the Koran is as is claimed by Muslims the final true word of God - or it is not.
I simply asked how does logic guide him on this. He went radio silent.
Also - to put it into context - when the attack on Charlie Hebdo happened - ( and of course an event such as this; at work we chewed the fat over this. Pretty much every Muslim in our dept had degrees of sympathy with the attacker ).
There was a WTF moment with everyone else.
Back to our protagonist, who just put up the "well.... what did he expect?" comment.
To answer your question.....
You can live in a western country - criticise any and every religion you want.
There is only one religion with a proven track record - that an unhealthy number of people will happily see you beheaded.
And a very worrying amount who will sympathise with your murderer - because you were asking for it.
I'll bow out now - and see if TGD responds.
Lots of religious texts contain batst crazy and violent verses - the Old Testament is probably the worst out the lot. However, the vast majority of religious folk (including Muslims) simply ignore the bad crazy stuff and pick and choose the reasonable bits from their scriptures. However, we can’t deny that a significant minority of Muslims (and a bigger proportion than Christians, Jews etc) take their religion far too literally hence extremism is a bigger problem within the Muslim community than it is within other faith groups.
Some of the results of this survey for example are deeply worrying.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31293196
To reiterate, of course it’s a minority that hold extreme views (and an even smaller minority that act violently based on these views) but nonetheless it’s still a minority that’s far too big.
t crazy and violent verses - the Old Testament is probably the worst out the lot. However, the vast majority of religious folk (including Muslims) simply ignore the bad crazy stuff and pick and choose the reasonable bits from their scriptures. However, we can’t deny that a significant minority of Muslims (and a bigger proportion than Christians, Jews etc) take their religion far too literally hence extremism is a bigger problem within the Muslim community than it is within other faith groups. Some of the results of this survey for example are deeply worrying.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31293196
To reiterate, of course it’s a minority that hold extreme views (and an even smaller minority that act violently based on these views) but nonetheless it’s still a minority that’s far too big.
BlackLabel said:
Lots of religious texts contain batst crazy and violent verses - the Old Testament is probably the worst out the lot. However, the vast majority of religious folk (including Muslims) simply ignore the bad crazy stuff and pick and choose the reasonable bits from their scriptures. However, we can’t deny that a significant minority of Muslims (and a bigger proportion than Christians, Jews etc) take their religion far too literally hence extremism is a bigger problem within the Muslim community than it is within other faith groups.
Some of the results of this survey for example are deeply worrying.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31293196
To reiterate, of course it’s a minority that hold extreme views (and an even smaller minority that act violently based on these views) but nonetheless it’s still a minority that’s far too big.
I have quoted this before - but even if she is a factor of 10 out...it is worrying.t crazy and violent verses - the Old Testament is probably the worst out the lot. However, the vast majority of religious folk (including Muslims) simply ignore the bad crazy stuff and pick and choose the reasonable bits from their scriptures. However, we can’t deny that a significant minority of Muslims (and a bigger proportion than Christians, Jews etc) take their religion far too literally hence extremism is a bigger problem within the Muslim community than it is within other faith groups. Some of the results of this survey for example are deeply worrying.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31293196
To reiterate, of course it’s a minority that hold extreme views (and an even smaller minority that act violently based on these views) but nonetheless it’s still a minority that’s far too big.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z_RAbOJcu0
“ One person has been killed and several others injured after a knife attack near a church in the southern French city of Nice, local media reported on Thursday.
French Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin said a police operation was under way in the city, while Nice Mayor Christian Estrosi said the suspect behind the attack - which Estrosi said looked like a terrorist incident - had been arrested.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ni...
French Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin said a police operation was under way in the city, while Nice Mayor Christian Estrosi said the suspect behind the attack - which Estrosi said looked like a terrorist incident - had been arrested.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ni...
Curious what you think of this article...
Spiked said:
Rather than being cowed by the veiled threats of Islamists and the violent attacks that result when these threats are ignored, Macron has said that he wants ‘Islamists to feel in danger at any time of the day and night in France’. Most of all, Islamists fear that ordinary Muslims will agree with him. After all, Muslims are no more immune to Islamist violence than any French citizen, especially if they happen to express dissident opinions.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/10/29/we-must-refuse-to-play-the-islamists-game/TheGreatDane said:
It's a st situation but he lit a fuse, and someone exploded and that would happen anywhere with any sensitive topic.
I'd say the problem is to cocksocket who put the fuse in a room clearly labelled "Match testing area". You don't want fuses lit? Perhaps the people the fuses belong to shouldn't scatter them around the place.t situation but he lit a fuse, and someone exploded and that would happen anywhere with any sensitive topic.Kicking off in Nice now as well. 3 killed, 2 of them beheaded
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8892233/M...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8892233/M...
Janluke said:
Kicking off in Nice now as well. Two more beheaded
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8892233/M...
Horrendous https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8892233/M...
Macron getting a lot of stick for apparently defending the cartoons
daily mail said:
It also comes amid mass protests in many Islamic countries against Emmanuel Macron, after the French President spoke up in defence of the cartoons.
Tweeting in Arabic, he wrote: 'Nothing makes us hold back, ever. We respect all differences in the spirit of peace. We never accept hate speech and defend rational debate.
'We will always stand by human dignity and universal values.'
His remarks have prompted demonstrations in Gaza, Turkey, Pakistan and Bangladesh, and boycotts of French products in Jordan, Kuwait, Qatar and Palestinian territories.
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has led outrage at Macron, suggesting that he is mentally ill and needs to have his health evaluated.
“Islamo fascists” is the right term here used by macron and he’s right to defend the cartoons but there doesn’t seem to be a shortage of lone wolf nutters that can get hold of a knife though that violently disagree.Tweeting in Arabic, he wrote: 'Nothing makes us hold back, ever. We respect all differences in the spirit of peace. We never accept hate speech and defend rational debate.
'We will always stand by human dignity and universal values.'
His remarks have prompted demonstrations in Gaza, Turkey, Pakistan and Bangladesh, and boycotts of French products in Jordan, Kuwait, Qatar and Palestinian territories.
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has led outrage at Macron, suggesting that he is mentally ill and needs to have his health evaluated.
Is macron now widening the gulf between french Muslims and non Muslims? Pretty impossible situation all round tbh.
Kawasicki said:
Curious what you think of this article...
One thing I will note is that you should take Macron's words and actions with a large pinch of salt as it is an election year and his most likely rival is going to be Le Pen.Spiked said:
Rather than being cowed by the veiled threats of Islamists and the violent attacks that result when these threats are ignored, Macron has said that he wants ‘Islamists to feel in danger at any time of the day and night in France’. Most of all, Islamists fear that ordinary Muslims will agree with him. After all, Muslims are no more immune to Islamist violence than any French citizen, especially if they happen to express dissident opinions.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/10/29/we-must-refuse-to-play-the-islamists-game/Whether they recognise the threat or not the course of action of most politicians has been to ignore it as much as possible. After all by the time things go really seriously wrong they will be dead or enjoying a comfortable retirement.
France has a large Muslim population from North Africa, and despite the views of some on here that most of the country is like A Year in Provence, the reality is that there is a massive problem with criminality in that section of society.
I spend a lot of time in Toulouse, and the army have been on the streets there for years, armed, because of crime in the Muslim population. Synagogues have armed guards, and at night women have to be far more careful than they were a couple of decades ago.
I spend a lot of time in Toulouse, and the army have been on the streets there for years, armed, because of crime in the Muslim population. Synagogues have armed guards, and at night women have to be far more careful than they were a couple of decades ago.
The price of free speech and faciliating and tolerating the presence of people who despise you and your culture I suppose. I'm sure that will bring huge comfort to the victims' families.
It's clear Macron and other politicians of a similar persuasion are incapable of protecting their citizens so the French population, like ours, will need to consider who will. If they ever get the chance that is.
It's clear Macron and other politicians of a similar persuasion are incapable of protecting their citizens so the French population, like ours, will need to consider who will. If they ever get the chance that is.
Taylor James said:
The price of free speech and faciliating and tolerating the presence of people who despise you and your culture I suppose. I'm sure that will bring huge comfort to the victims' families.
It's clear Macron and other politicians of a similar persuasion are incapable of protecting their citizens so the French population, like ours, will need to consider who will. If they ever get the chance that is.
There is a lot of support for hard-right politicians in France, but the other parties work together to minimise their ability to win elections whenever they are looking strong.It's clear Macron and other politicians of a similar persuasion are incapable of protecting their citizens so the French population, like ours, will need to consider who will. If they ever get the chance that is.
jakesmith said:
France has had a large number of these now. Why so many in France? Colonial links or something?
Puts paid to the idiots who say 'we brought it upon ourselves as a result of foreign policy' when France didn't join the Iraq war as an example.
French forces were definitely in gulf war 1 and Afghanistan. Puts paid to the idiots who say 'we brought it upon ourselves as a result of foreign policy' when France didn't join the Iraq war as an example.
They’ve got a large Muslim population almost 6million (largest in Europe) due to their historic links with Algeria and Morocco and huge imports of workers in the 60s and 70s who then became french and had their families come over.
It’s been kicking off recently after the carton attacks in Paris and subsequent government clampdowns on radical Islam and some new laws brought regarding imams and doctors which are seen as anti Muslim by some.
There’s also socio economic problems where many of these Muslims are in poorer areas which are like ghettos stoking up radicalism and “Islamic separatism” as macron describes it.
Very difficult to resolve and not that different to problems occurring in the U.K. or Belgium where radicalisation (for whatever reason) hasn’t completely gone away.
I’d hoped the fall of isis and decrease in operations in the Middle East would help end all this madness but it seems like it doesn’t take much for radical Muslims to start beheading again.
It seems like many western countries have recognised that radicalisation was happening at certain mosques and targeted those leaders, maybe now there’s still problems with ghettos and groups being attracted to radical Islam due to socio economic issues like lack of father figures and poor economic outcomes etc.
JagLover said:
Kawasicki said:
Curious what you think of this article...
One thing I will note is that you should take Macron's words and actions with a large pinch of salt as it is an election year and his most likely rival is going to be Le Pen.Spiked said:
Rather than being cowed by the veiled threats of Islamists and the violent attacks that result when these threats are ignored, Macron has said that he wants ‘Islamists to feel in danger at any time of the day and night in France’. Most of all, Islamists fear that ordinary Muslims will agree with him. After all, Muslims are no more immune to Islamist violence than any French citizen, especially if they happen to express dissident opinions.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/10/29/we-must-refuse-to-play-the-islamists-game/Whether they recognise the threat or not the course of action of most politicians has been to ignore it as much as possible. After all by the time things go really seriously wrong they will be dead or enjoying a comfortable retirement.
In any case, his actions has taken wind from Le Pen's sails.
Kent Border Kenny said:
Taylor James said:
The price of free speech and faciliating and tolerating the presence of people who despise you and your culture I suppose. I'm sure that will bring huge comfort to the victims' families.
It's clear Macron and other politicians of a similar persuasion are incapable of protecting their citizens so the French population, like ours, will need to consider who will. If they ever get the chance that is.
There is a lot of support for hard-right politicians in France, but the other parties work together to minimise their ability to win elections whenever they are looking strong.It's clear Macron and other politicians of a similar persuasion are incapable of protecting their citizens so the French population, like ours, will need to consider who will. If they ever get the chance that is.
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