Teacher decapitated in Paris by enraged parent.

[clio007]

Oh look. The genocide brigade have arrived.

[andymc]

s1962a said:

JagLover said:

mcdjl said:

So from around an arguable 100% in about 1550 to 1800. Minus 5 years for Mary trying to reverse it. The concept failed then, it's unlikely to do better now.

I don't really think going from near 100% of the population to 1% is an example of failure of the policy. There will always be some holdouts after any change after all.

Whether it has any relevance to today is another matter entirely of course.

What we can learn from the history is that religious differences are the most significant likely factor to create schisms in society and are very long lasting. This is true of protestant and catholic, orthodox and catholic and the centuries long divide between the Islamic world and the Christian. Just because we think religion isn't relevant anymore doesn't mean the rest of the world agrees.

China are trying to reduce the influence of Islam by their 're-education camps'. Other than resorting to extreme measures like that, you cannot just eradicate a belief system so easily. In terms of islamist terrorism, it would be far more effective to try and tackle islamist extremism, than to try and change the whole muslim population.

Why are there no terror attacks in China?

[mcdjl]

colin_p said:

A very good point.

You would want the surgeon to cut out all of the tumours, and not ignore some that look benign. If it looks likes cancer and the possibility of it at some point turning malignant exists, which it does, you would want the surgeon to remove it anyway, just to be safe.

Another analogy is that if religion was run by the Health & Safety industry, particularly construction, islam and anything to do with it would not be allowed on 'site' having long since being banned. The other religions would all be there though with some working under tighter controls than others, but none the less, still 'on site'.

Really? Christian terrorists in GB have killed way more than muslim ones: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in... . If terrorism could be ended by banning religion Christianity in the UK would have been banned long ago.....before islamic terrorism in the UK was an issue.

[Kent Border Kenny]

s1962a said:

This is a good idea - flood the world with cartoons, and promote freedom of speech.

Considering you think that a muslim man who might grow a beard or a lady who wears hijab is on the extremist end, then it seems like education needs to work both ways too.

But I didn’t say that, you’re employing the fallacy of the excluded middle here.

[Kent Border Kenny]

mcdjl said:

Really? Christian terrorists in GB have killed way more than muslim ones: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in... . If terrorism could be ended by banning religion Christianity in the UK would have been banned long ago.....before islamic terrorism in the UK was an issue.

Not recently, and not in the name of their God. It’s dishonest to elide to different categories like this.

[s1962a]

Kent Border Kenny said:

s1962a said:

This is a good idea - flood the world with cartoons, and promote freedom of speech.

Considering you think that a muslim man who might grow a beard or a lady who wears hijab is on the extremist end, then it seems like education needs to work both ways too.

But I didn’t say that, you’re employing the fallacy of the excluded middle here.

Ok, i misunderstood then. At least we are on the same page here that wearing hijab or having an outwardly muslim appearance is not a sign of islamist extremism.

Still awaiting your thoughts on our support for regimes that promote this extremist ideology.

[colin_p]

mcdjl said:

Really? Christian terrorists in GB have killed way more than muslim ones: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in... . If terrorism could be ended by banning religion Christianity in the UK would have been banned long ago.....before islamic terrorism in the UK was an issue.

Nice try.

What happens and has happened here is faint background noise in comparison.

I can't be bothered to add them all up but I'd suggest that the number killed and injured is an order of magnitude more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_ter...

Top tip; remember, islamic terrorism is not confined to the UK.

[Digga]

colin_p said:

mcdjl said:

Really? Christian terrorists in GB have killed way more than muslim ones: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in... . If terrorism could be ended by banning religion Christianity in the UK would have been banned long ago.....before islamic terrorism in the UK was an issue.

Nice try.

What happens and has happened here is faint background noise in comparison.

I can't be bothered to add them all up but I'd suggest that the number killed and injured is an order of magnitude more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_ter...

Top tip; remember, islamic terrorism is not confined to the UK.

UK terror attacks in last 20 years have a fairly predictable bias too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

[mcdjl]

Kent Border Kenny said:

Not recently, and not in the name of their God. It’s dishonest to elide to different categories like this.

So why is killing someone because they're because they're not a Muslim worthy of sterilisation but if they're a different kind of christian not ?

[mcdjl]

colin_p said:

Nice try.

What happens and has happened here is faint background noise in comparison.

I can't be bothered to add them all up but I'd suggest that the number killed and injured is an order of magnitude more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_ter...

Top tip; remember, islamic terrorism is not confined to the UK.

Ah, sorry, I hadn't realised that world wide sterilisation of muslims was being proposed.

[Digga]

mcdjl said:

Ah, sorry, I hadn't realised that world wide sterilisation of muslims was being proposed.

Nor me. FWIW not something I advocate!

Mind you, 21st century and all that, perhaps time to 'call time' on religion as the be all and end all. Better to consider we are all, one way or another related and equal, if different.

[Badgerboy]

I am still somewhat surprised that despite China imprisoning hundreds of thousands of Muslims, there is little to no protesting against the Chinese state.

Yet a cartoon is drawn and anarchy breaks out. How the hell does this thought process play out? Utter madness.

[A Winner Is You]

Badgerboy said:

I am still somewhat surprised that despite China imprisoning hundreds of thousands of Muslims, there is little to no protesting against the Chinese state.

Yet a cartoon is drawn and anarchy breaks out. How the hell does this thought process play out? Utter madness.

Wrong type of Muslim

[BlackLabel]

A Winner Is You said:

Badgerboy said:

I am still somewhat surprised that despite China imprisoning hundreds of thousands of Muslims, there is little to no protesting against the Chinese state.

Yet a cartoon is drawn and anarchy breaks out. How the hell does this thought process play out? Utter madness.

Wrong type of Muslim

Wrong type of offender more like it. China locks up Muslims in concentration camps and there’s very little reaction, Saudi Arabia bombs Muslims in schools and hospitals in Yemen and the silence is deafening, Libya holds slave markets for African migrants (many of whom are Muslims) and meh even the BLM folks don’t care. Yet as soon as evil America, Israel, France, Britain etc do something, even if it’s benign, all hell breaks loose.

[colin_p]

mcdjl said:

Ah, sorry, I hadn't realised that world wide sterilisation of muslims was being proposed.

Nobody has said or suggested that. An observation was made stating that the Chinese might be doing it.

[clio007]

BlackLabel said:

Wrong type of offender more like it. China locks up Muslims in concentration camps and there’s very little reaction, Saudi Arabia bombs Muslims in schools and hospitals in Yemen and the silence is deafening, Libya holds slave markets for African migrants (many of whom are Muslims) and meh even the BLM folks don’t care. Yet as soon as evil America, Israel, France, Britain etc do something, even if it’s benign, all hell breaks loose.

Wrong type of news more like.

[s1962a]

colin_p said:

mcdjl said:

Ah, sorry, I hadn't realised that world wide sterilisation of muslims was being proposed.

Nobody has said or suggested that. An observation was made stating that the Chinese might be doing it.

That’s not true. The statements were very well described as such and all the posts seem to be reference it have been subsequently removed. Don’t try to downplay it now, It was nasty and suggesting that sterilising Muslim women is the most affective method is quite frankly alarming.

[Troubleatmill]

s1962a said:

colin_p said:

mcdjl said:

Ah, sorry, I hadn't realised that world wide sterilisation of muslims was being proposed.

Nobody has said or suggested that. An observation was made stating that the Chinese might be doing it.

That’s not true. The statements were very well described as such and all the posts seem to be reference it have been subsequently removed. Don’t try to downplay it now, It was nasty and suggesting that sterilising Muslim women is the most affective method is quite frankly alarming.

As one of the people who was involved in those few posts. I'm thinking mine was misunderstood. Apologies if it was interpreted this way.
Mass sterilisation is tantamount to genecide.
But the number of reports coming out of China on exactly this is terrifying.
eg.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/china-conducting-m...

I also commented someone else in history did this before, and then came up with an even more horrific option.

All of us should be very worried.


(Edit - The the "successful" comment - if the goal of the Chinese is to have no Muslims in the country - Sterilisation is a sure fire way to deliver it.


I'm going to bow out now for a few days.

Enjoy your weekend.

Pax )

Edited by Troubleatmill on Friday 30th October 18:07

[colin_p]

s1962a said:

colin_p said:

mcdjl said:

Ah, sorry, I hadn't realised that world wide sterilisation of muslims was being proposed.

Nobody has said or suggested that. An observation was made stating that the Chinese might be doing it.

That’s not true. The statements were very well described as such and all the posts seem to be reference it have been subsequently removed. Don’t try to downplay it now, It was nasty and suggesting that sterilising Muslim women is the most affective method is quite frankly alarming.

I am not downplaying anything, I had no part in that particular side discussion so quite I was quoted in on it is rather puzzling.

I do know what I read though, someone simply made an observation that China might be doing it, NOT that it should be done. That would be barbaric.

[amusingduck]

Troubleatmill said:

Mass sterilisation is tantamount to genecide.

I'd say China is absolutely genociding Uyghurs. That nobody seems particularly bothered is depressing.