Teacher decapitated in Paris by enraged parent.

[anonymous-user]

Dromedary66 said:

Nothing surprises me from a cult that mandates the mutilation of baby penises.

Jews
The vast majority of Christian Americans
The Christian Philippines
Much of Christian Africa
Until recently a majority of Australians
A sizeable number of Britons until the 50s

Etc etc

I don’t agree with the practice but it’s not a useful marker in the way that you wish it to be.

[anonymous-user]

gazza285 said:

Sam.M said:

gazza285 said:

Not really, inciting hatred has nothing to do with blasphemy.

It’s a defacto blasphemy law.

If you are doing it to poke fun, then it would be considered blasphemy to some of the muslim community.

If you are doing it to incite hatred and dislike, which looking at the number of "all muslims are bad" posts on this thread as a consequence it appears to be succeeding, then it has nothing to do with blasphemy.

And what about doing it a performative fashion simply to delineate the borders of our culture?

[Troubleatmill]

There is nothing special about Islam.

We are free to ridicule it and mock it just like we are every other religion.

Those who are offended by that - tough.

[coolg]

gazza285 said:

Most of the victims were Muslim?

For a peaceful religion they do appear to be violent

[coolg]

BMW A6 said:

Muslims won't have won and the values of freedom of speech/ expression will remain, if Charlie Hebdo et al would not be so stubborn.

Their stance amounts to incitement of hatred. Just constantly stoking fires.

Muslims have made it clear: they find these images offensive.

As for terrorists of any hue: the death penalty requires reinstating.

Or is this showing is what Islam is really like ? As long as you don’t upset them they are ok ??

[anonymous-user]

coolg said:

Or is this showing is what Islam is really like ? As long as you don’t upset them they are ok ??

Sounds like the kinda thing a victim of domestic abuse would say.

[Troubleatmill]

coolg said:

gazza285 said:

Most of the victims were Muslim?

For a peaceful religion they do appear to be violent

The "book of peace" does have an healthy fascination about infidels being eternally tortured. That might have some bearing on the matter.

[Getragdogleg]

Let's stop arguing and concentrate on some facts.

Who was the murderer? How long had he been in France, which mosque did he attend and who funds that mosque?

Uncover those facts and a clearer picture will be able to be formed as to motives and motivation.

[bitchstewie]

Troubleatmill said:

The "book of peace" does have an healthy fascination about infidels being eternally tortured. That might have some bearing on the matter.

I'd say there's a few of you on this thread who have a few unhealthy fascinations.

What happened in Paris is abhorrent.

But from the second post onward this thread is just an excuse for more islamophobic rantings from the usual suspects dressed up as debate.

[jamoor]

Troubleatmill said:

Any Muslim that gets offended - that it is their problem.
They can deal with it in the following ways.
1. Ignore it
2. Have a private cry about it
3. Pray to their Sky Fairy to punish the infidel in the afterlife.
4. Move to a country where everybody just loves Mo more than their own kids.


There is a fantastic online cartoon called Jesusandmo ( google it )
The best part that Mo is actually portrayed by a body double - so even the most delicate sensibilities of Muslims can enjoy it.
This current issue is a gem.

You forgot
5. Offend the offender in retaliation.

[gazza285]

coolg said:

gazza285 said:

Most of the victims were Muslim?

For a peaceful religion they do appear to be violent

I am hoping that there will be the equivalent of the European Age of Enlightenment, and not just across the Muslim world, there are many places that need freeing from the hold of religion.

[jamoor]

Troubleatmill said:

coolg said:

gazza285 said:

Most of the victims were Muslim?

For a peaceful religion they do appear to be violent

The "book of peace" does have an healthy fascination about infidels being eternally tortured. That might have some bearing on the matter.

I'm curious when people say stuff like this, have they ever set foot in a mosque.

It almost is as if someone that says that has 0 life experience.

[anonymous-user]

As someone who left the faith I can easily separate Muslims and Islam.

As someone who left the faith I don’t see it as an irrational fear to be concerned about those adherents who take the book literally, which unfortunately is a larger proportion than many would be comfortable with.

Many who talk about these problems are not circumspect in their language when discussing the issue but aren’t racist, and some will be genuine full throated racist scum.

A culture of fear in talking about this issue breeds and environment where full throated scum with little to lose are empowered and in the internet age financially incentivised to take advantage.

I worry that the knee jerk response to chill discussion on this problem serves us poorly in the long run.

[ABZ RS6]

Sam.M said:

Meanwhile Macron is giving speeches about the dangers of a growing Islamist counterculture in France.

Pretty spot on isn’t he.

[anonymous-user]

Sam.M said:

As someone who left the faith I can easily separate Muslims and Islam.

As someone who left the faith I don’t see it as an irrational fear to be concerned about those adherents who take the book literally, which unfortunately is a larger proportion than many would be comfortable with.

Many who talk about these problems are not circumspect in their language when discussing the issue but aren’t racist, and some will be genuine full throated racist scum.

A culture of fear in talking about this issue breeds and environment where full throated scum with little to lose are empowered and in the internet age financially incentivised to take advantage.

I worry that the knee jerk response to chill discussion on this problem serves us poorly in the long run.

I'm not surprised given they'd support the death penalty for apostasy.

[anonymous-user]

[coolg]

gazza285 said:

I am hoping that there will be the equivalent of the European Age of Enlightenment, and not just across the Muslim world, there are many places that need freeing from the hold of religion.

I think that point has passed, the concept of Islamaphobia has give Islam and all its failings a free pass.

Edited by coolg on Saturday 17th October 10:51

[coolg]

jamoor said:

You forgot
5. Offend the offender in retaliation.

I bet as soon as your saw the news article that a Muslim has beheaded an innocent man in the street, you thought ...

Oh no not another round of Muslim bashing.

[anonymous-user]

bhstewie said:

But from the second post onward this thread is just an excuse for more islamophobic rantings from the usual suspects dressed up as debate.

So you think Islam is compatible with modern life, the freedoms, the values we non muslims enjoy? Why is there the need for women to be be treated as second class citizens then. Or

"Women apply for most Islamic divorces in Australia, but imams often refuse to grant them. Muslim leaders have condemned domestic violence, though some still teach that husbands can control their wives."

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-18/abused-m...

Or

"Tony Blair says 'many millions' of Muslims hold views that are 'fundamentally incompatible with the modern world'

Do you disagree with this statements and why?

[bitchstewie]

The Spruce Goose said:

So you think Islam is compatible with modern life, the freedoms, the values we non muslims enjoy? Why is there the need for women to be be treated as second class citizens then. Or

"Women apply for most Islamic divorces in Australia, but imams often refuse to grant them. Muslim leaders have condemned domestic violence, though some still teach that husbands can control their wives."

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-18/abused-m...

Or

"Tony Blair says 'many millions' of Muslims hold views that are 'fundamentally incompatible with the modern world'

Do you disagree with this statements and why?

I think Tony Blair has a point and you won't find me cheerleading for Islam as I think there are plenty of issues there.

But let's not kid ourselves that any of the bile on this thread is out of concern for a dead teacher.

When you're scrabbling around for Australian news articles on Islamic divorces to try to prove your point I'd probably step back a bit and ask yourself what's going on.

It's just the same sort of hatred but with an attempt to dress it up as some sort of sensible conversation.