Lockdown Imminent (Vol. 2)

[bigee]

Thankyou4calling said:

The UK hasn’t had what I’d call a lockdown.

No where near it really.

Even during the toughest times you could go out every day, loads of shops open, most businesses still trading and customers visiting.

It was called a lockdown but it was nothing like it.

Edited by Thankyou4calling on Monday 19th October 21:17

Most businesses still trading ? Nope. All non essential were forced to close. Ask me how I know.....

[monkfish1]

bigee said:

Thankyou4calling said:

The UK hasn’t had what I’d call a lockdown.

No where near it really.

Even during the toughest times you could go out every day, loads of shops open, most businesses still trading and customers visiting.

It was called a lockdown but it was nothing like it.

Edited by Thankyou4calling on Monday 19th October 21:17

Most businesses still trading ? Nope. All non essential were forced to close. Ask me how I know.....

I think Thankyou4calling is well insulated from the forth coming ststorm of unemployment and all that stems from it.

[survivalist]

vaud said:

Thankyou4calling said:

The UK hasn’t had what I’d call a lockdown.

No where near it really.

Even during the toughest times you could go out every day, loads of shops open, most businesses still trading and customers visiting.

It was called a lockdown but it was nothing like it.

Edited by Thankyou4calling on Monday 19th October 21:17

Very true, compared to say France or Spain.

Under lock down I shopped twice a week. Went walking with my daughters. Went for a drive over the hills. etc

That’s true. We should have locked down harder just like France and Spain then we’d be Covid free, just like them.

Wait, hold on ...

[vaud]

survivalist said:

That’s true. We should have locked down harder just like France and Spain then we’d be Covid free, just like them.

Wait, hold on ...

Indeed. I'm not an advocate of hard lockdown.

[Thankyou4calling]

bigee said:

Most businesses still trading ? Nope. All non essential were forced to close. Ask me how I know.....

Wilkinson’s
B and M stores
Pubs serving pints at the window
Restaurants setting up tables outside
Car rental open
DIY stores
Boots
Superdrug
Poundland

Plus of course supermarkets etc.

Loads of shops open.

[survivalist]

Thankyou4calling said:

bigee said:

Most businesses still trading ? Nope. All non essential were forced to close. Ask me how I know.....

Wilkinson’s
B and M stores
Pubs serving pints at the window
Restaurants setting up tables outside
Car rental open
DIY stores
Boots
Superdrug
Poundland

Plus of course supermarkets etc.

Loads of shops open.

With the exception of Pubs and Restaurants I don’t think I’ve been to any of those places in the past 5 years.

Maybe it was a ploy to boost the footfall for some of the more depressing retail experiences in the U.K.

Edited by survivalist on Monday 19th October 22:59

[Brave Fart]

Thankyou4calling said:

The UK hasn’t had what I’d call a lockdown.
No where near it really.
Even during the toughest times you could go out every day, loads of shops open, most businesses still trading and customers visiting.
It was called a lockdown but it was nothing like it.

Edited by Thankyou4calling on Monday 19th October 21:17

This sort of smug post makes me rather annoyed. It shows a lack of empathy; the sort of "well, my life is OK so everyone else's must be" attitude that, frankly, is the mark of a sociopath.

[scrubchub]

Brave Fart said:

Thankyou4calling said:

The UK hasn’t had what I’d call a lockdown.
No where near it really.
Even during the toughest times you could go out every day, loads of shops open, most businesses still trading and customers visiting.
It was called a lockdown but it was nothing like it.

Edited by Thankyou4calling on Monday 19th October 21:17

This sort of smug post makes me rather annoyed. It shows a lack of empathy; the sort of "well, my life is OK so everyone else's must be" attitude that, frankly, is the mark of a sociopath.

Sociopath may be a bit strong but it is certainly incredibly ignorant. I'm a guitar teacher but wasn't able to work from April through to September. And no help from the government as it has only been my main income since Christmas. Schools closed and not allowed in people's houses.

To see someone say that we weren't really in lockdown smarts a bit. As long as he was okay though, I guess.

[pip t]

Brave Fart said:

Thankyou4calling said:

The UK hasn’t had what I’d call a lockdown.
No where near it really.
Even during the toughest times you could go out every day, loads of shops open, most businesses still trading and customers visiting.
It was called a lockdown but it was nothing like it.

Edited by Thankyou4calling on Monday 19th October 21:17

This sort of smug post makes me rather annoyed. It shows a lack of empathy; the sort of "well, my life is OK so everyone else's must be" attitude that, frankly, is the mark of a sociopath.

Indeed. Some of us work in industries that have been largely shut since March, and are still, in the main, shut. A few are now operating in a manner which is distinctly unviable in the long term.

Yes, our lockdown wasn't as outwardly strict as some other countries. It still had, and is still having a huge impact. And just to remind Thankyou4callng, for a couple of months it was illegal to leave your house without reasonable excuse. Yes, the 'excuses' were pretty lax in some ways, but the default position remained that it was illegal to leave your house. What would you call that if not a lockdown?

[scottyp123]

Brave Fart said:

Thankyou4calling said:

The UK hasn’t had what I’d call a lockdown.
No where near it really.
Even during the toughest times you could go out every day, loads of shops open, most businesses still trading and customers visiting.
It was called a lockdown but it was nothing like it.

Edited by Thankyou4calling on Monday 19th October 21:17

This sort of smug post makes me rather annoyed. It shows a lack of empathy; the sort of "well, my life is OK so everyone else's must be" attitude that, frankly, is the mark of a sociopath.

Ironically I'll bet the ones shouting loudest to end this madness now will be the ones that will be financially ok either way. On the other hand the people screaming lock us down now will be the ones on the street when it all comes to fruition.

[Ructions]

monkfish1 said:

Ructions said:

monkfish1 said:

Im not asking you to predict the future. Im asking you to explain what you think would happen to the virus, specifically, once the lockdown you crave ends?

Honestly? I don't know. I would hope that we have a lot less cases than we have now and the pressure would be eased somewhat on our already stretched hospitals and public services. The virus isn't going away, but we can help to stop the spread and if that means sitting in for a few weeks, then so be it.

Once you release lock down it carries on just the same.

You DONT stop the spread. You have just DELAYED it. Not reduced it. In the meantime consigned a few more 10,000's to the dole queue.

To achieve precisly nothing.

Can you not see this? Seriously?

I realize that we are simply kicking the can down the road, but our health service simply cannot cope as things stand. I don't crave a lockdown as you suggest, I simply think it is the simplest solution until we have found a vaccine. There is no right or wrong answer at this stage, but I would prefer to err on the side of caution.
People comparing Covid 19 to seasonal flu really have no idea, I have seen first hand what this virus can do to a person, there are going to be long term care/health issues if and when we come out the other side. A good friend of mine survived after spending 6 weeks in a coma, but he will never fully recover.

I fully sympathize with small business owners, but business can be reopened, you cannot open a coffin after 6 months and I really do think that we will be in various stages of lockdown until March 21 at least. Unfortunately people will end up on the dole, they have my sympathy. Our governments need to step up and help anyone who finds themselves in financial trouble, be that the self employed, small business owners or whoever needs financial help. The taxpayer in Ireland bailed the banks out to the tune of 40 odd billion, surely the government can bail its own citizens out during this crisis.

[anonymous-user]

Ructions said:

I realize that we are simply kicking the can down the road, but our health service simply cannot cope as things stand.

Says who?

[Ructions]

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:

Ructions said:

I realize that we are simply kicking the can down the road, but our health service simply cannot cope as things stand.

Says who?

Anyone who has any idea how the Irish public health system is run, it cannot cope during a normal winter, people are left to die on trolleys in corridors. What will it be like with COVID-19 thrown into the mix.

[anonymous-user]

Ructions said:

Anyone who has any idea how the Irish public health system is run, it cannot cope during a normal winter, people are left to die on trolleys in corridors. What will it be like with COVID-19 thrown into the mix.

Are you talking about NI or EIRE?

As far as I can see the NHS, even in Liverpool and Manchester, are not claiming they expect to be overrun. Manchester have specifically said they are not being. Liverpool have said the ICU usage is in line with normal patterns for this time of year. We are not even using the nightingales.

[Ructions]

I’m talking about Ireland, but the north is possibly facing an even bigger crisis this winter. They have already opened one of the Nightingale hospitals up there. Covid is out of control in parts of the north. We need an all Ireland approach to the virus, but certain politicians will not countenance it for obvious reasons. They have already politicised it into a themmuns v us issue.

My sister in law is in a senior management position in for a large pharmaceutical company in the north west of England. She is in charge of procurement of PPE and various medicines which in turn get distributed to NHS hospitals throughout the UK and a number of hospitals here in Ireland. She would probably have regular contacts with heads of departments of various government agencies and taking what she says at face value she reckons we are in for a very long, tough winter. They are preparing for three times as many deaths during the second wave as we had in the first. They also supply the body bags.

Look I have no dog in this fight, but governments don’t just decide to close entire countries down on a whim. I would rather be safe than sorry. I have elderly in laws who I care for dearly and I would like to see them again, we haven’t seen them since New Year, they live in the UK.

Is it too much to ask that we look out for each other, actually give a fk about our neighbours and communities?

[Sixpackpert]

scrubchub said:

Brave Fart said:

Thankyou4calling said:

The UK hasn’t had what I’d call a lockdown.
No where near it really.
Even during the toughest times you could go out every day, loads of shops open, most businesses still trading and customers visiting.
It was called a lockdown but it was nothing like it.

Edited by Thankyou4calling on Monday 19th October 21:17

This sort of smug post makes me rather annoyed. It shows a lack of empathy; the sort of "well, my life is OK so everyone else's must be" attitude that, frankly, is the mark of a sociopath.

Sociopath may be a bit strong but it is certainly incredibly ignorant. I'm a guitar teacher but wasn't able to work from April through to September. And no help from the government as it has only been my main income since Christmas. Schools closed and not allowed in people's houses.

To see someone say that we weren't really in lockdown smarts a bit. As long as he was okay though, I guess.

Really? Couldn’t you do what my sons guitar teacher has done? His lessons are done over Skype.

[JagLover]

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:

Ructions said:

Anyone who has any idea how the Irish public health system is run, it cannot cope during a normal winter, people are left to die on trolleys in corridors. What will it be like with COVID-19 thrown into the mix.

Are you talking about NI or EIRE?

As far as I can see the NHS, even in Liverpool and Manchester, are not claiming they expect to be overrun. Manchester have specifically said they are not being. Liverpool have said the ICU usage is in line with normal patterns for this time of year. We are not even using the nightingales.

Exactly so

In Manchester ICU usage is still at normal levels for the time of year. A large proportion of the "cases" being picked up are among young people (often uni students) who are barely affected.

There may be a case for local restrictions where local healthcare capacity is in danger of being exceeded. Nowhere in the UK is at that level yet.

[Smollet]

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:

Are you talking about NI or EIRE?

As far as I can see the NHS, even in Liverpool and Manchester, are not claiming they expect to be overrun. Manchester have specifically said they are not being. Liverpool have said the ICU usage is in line with normal patterns for this time of year. We are not even using the nightingales.

Watching the news this morning and a leader from Manchester City Council that icu were at the same level as last October and the government was being very selective with the figures to help manipulate their policies. I’m glad this is now starting to reach mainstream media. It was on BBC Breakfast who haven’t exactly been in favour of anything other than lockdowns until recently. Perhaps the worm is finally turning.

[Deathmole]

I have been hearing about the worm turning since July and it hasn't yet....

[fastraxx]

Smollet said:

Watching the news this morning and a leader from Manchester City Council that icu were at the same level as last October and the government was being very selective with the figures to help manipulate their policies. I’m glad this is now starting to reach mainstream media. It was on BBC Breakfast who haven’t exactly been in favour of anything other than lockdowns until recently. Perhaps the worm is finally turning.

What joy would anyone get out if implementing these policies?