Angela Rayner calls Tory MP "Scum"
Discussion
Digga said:
It's not just people on low incomes that fail their children.
A friend (middle class and wealthy) never made sure her son got in to the habit of taking breakfast before leaving the house. It had nothing to do with being able to afford it, or even not getting up early enough. It was still a failure which did not serve him well.
Low income families might be feckless, but equally they may genuinely suffer financial impecunity. Either way though, providing their children with meals hopefully ensures a better outcome for the children, a better chance of being less disruptive and more attentive at school and also offers another lever to getting them to attend in the first place.
There's an argument for providing free meals for all, full stop. Do breakfasts and it gets the kids there on time too.
We have friends who are middle class and those that you might call working class.A friend (middle class and wealthy) never made sure her son got in to the habit of taking breakfast before leaving the house. It had nothing to do with being able to afford it, or even not getting up early enough. It was still a failure which did not serve him well.
Low income families might be feckless, but equally they may genuinely suffer financial impecunity. Either way though, providing their children with meals hopefully ensures a better outcome for the children, a better chance of being less disruptive and more attentive at school and also offers another lever to getting them to attend in the first place.
There's an argument for providing free meals for all, full stop. Do breakfasts and it gets the kids there on time too.
Without doubt the middle class class kids are the most disfunctional and f
ked up, whereas the working class kids are mostly solid grounded, independent, grafters. You rarely find a working class kids with ME, depression or other modern 'issues' (in my personal experience)There was a woman on the regional news last night stating how she struggles to feed her kids when schools are closed.
She detailed how it's far easier for her when she only had tea to sort out otherwise she gets stressed.
Woman in question had a whole manner of face piercings and a full sleeve tattoo.
Prime example there of priorities all wrong.
She detailed how it's far easier for her when she only had tea to sort out otherwise she gets stressed.
Woman in question had a whole manner of face piercings and a full sleeve tattoo.
Prime example there of priorities all wrong.
Zoon said:
There was a woman on the regional news last night stating how she struggles to feed her kids when schools are closed.
She detailed how it's far easier for her when she only had tea to sort out otherwise she gets stressed.
Woman in question had a whole manner of face piercings and a full sleeve tattoo.
Prime example there of priorities all wrong.
Why would piercings or a tattoo suggest wrong priorities?She detailed how it's far easier for her when she only had tea to sort out otherwise she gets stressed.
Woman in question had a whole manner of face piercings and a full sleeve tattoo.
Prime example there of priorities all wrong.
Digga said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
As for the acceptability of children being punished for the choices of their parents, I have said no such thing, what I have asked, is who should hold responsibility for the children's well being when people who are not suitable to have children, or ever be capable of caring for them, then proceed to have (sometimes numerous) children, People who no matter how much aid is given, have demonstrated they never had a snowflake in hells chance, of ever looking after them properly?
It's not just people on low incomes that fail their children.A friend (middle class and wealthy) never made sure her son got in to the habit of taking breakfast before leaving the house. It had nothing to do with being able to afford it, or even not getting up early enough. It was still a failure which did not serve him well.
Low income families might be feckless, but equally they may genuinely suffer financial impecunity. Either way though, providing their children with meals hopefully ensures a better outcome for the children, a better chance of being less disruptive and more attentive at school and also offers another lever to getting them to attend in the first place.
There's an argument for providing free meals for all, full stop. Do breakfasts and it gets the kids there on time too.
My brother was on the face of it very bright, and was earning more than me, but I had to bail him out financially out on several occasions. because he, and his partner were stone useless at handling their money.
He lived in a council house, and had a council house mentality where it was always `someone else's' responsibility to provide him, and his family with the basics, that he should have been providing.
My Mum and Dad bailed him out repeatedly as well, but the last straw for me was when A, he cursed our parents and me as tory scum who always had money but who only looked after themselves, and B Blamed the rest of the family for the position HE had got HIMSELF into.
At one point after giving him a significant sum, he then said he needed more cash to feed his kids, when just a few days before he had spent hundreds of pounds on very expensive toys for his kids (their bedroom was literally filled from floor to ceiling with boxes of expensive toys).
He was definitely not unique in his attitude, but how can a government legislate for such stupidity which unfortunately, is not as rare as it should be?
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Zoon said:
There was a woman on the regional news last night stating how she struggles to feed her kids when schools are closed.
She detailed how it's far easier for her when she only had tea to sort out otherwise she gets stressed.
Woman in question had a whole manner of face piercings and a full sleeve tattoo.
Prime example there of priorities all wrong.
Why would piercings or a tattoo suggest wrong priorities?She detailed how it's far easier for her when she only had tea to sort out otherwise she gets stressed.
Woman in question had a whole manner of face piercings and a full sleeve tattoo.
Prime example there of priorities all wrong.
Electro1980 said:
The vast majority of children that go hungry have loving parents who are facing hard times through no fault of their own
.
I am probably going to regret asking this, but I presume you have some sort of data to back up this assertion? Because as far as I know (ie, from personal experiences), even the poorest of genuinely loving parents will usually find a way to feed their kids..
That's not to say that there are not exceptions to the rule, and that some loving parents will be struggling due to specific circumstances. But your statement looks a bit conveniently blankety.....
Those that will not, or choose not to feed their kids are not going to suddenly start feeding them just because they are given more money. How do we target the assistance that is needed to those who genuinely need it? (which could be argued are the hungry children themselves)
I am genuinely not sure that simply throwing money at the problem will solve it properly. That doesn't make me scum though, no matter what you may think.
Edited by andymadmak on Friday 23 October 10:56
Killer2005 said:
Fatherdougal said:
Shocking, but representative of the level of political debate from the left. Shouting down, name calling.
Seems the some of left on social media are running with it too, every post referring to Tories as scum. An old story, but pops the narrative that it's always the left with vile social media postings.
Edited to remove 'your narrative' to 'the narrative'. My mistake.
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Zoon said:
There was a woman on the regional news last night stating how she struggles to feed her kids when schools are closed.
She detailed how it's far easier for her when she only had tea to sort out otherwise she gets stressed.
Woman in question had a whole manner of face piercings and a full sleeve tattoo.
Prime example there of priorities all wrong.
Why would piercings or a tattoo suggest wrong priorities?She detailed how it's far easier for her when she only had tea to sort out otherwise she gets stressed.
Woman in question had a whole manner of face piercings and a full sleeve tattoo.
Prime example there of priorities all wrong.
tangerine_sedge said:
link with Dianne Abbott content
An old story, but pops your narrative that it's always the left with vile social media postings.
Most of those vile tweets to Abbott were traced back to Corbyn's IP address though. An old story, but pops your narrative that it's always the left with vile social media postings.
gizlaroc said:
tangerine_sedge said:
link with Dianne Abbott content
An old story, but pops your narrative that it's always the left with vile social media postings.
Most of those vile tweets to Abbott were traced back to Corbyn's IP address though. An old story, but pops your narrative that it's always the left with vile social media postings.
Kent Border Kenny said:
Perhaps the money could be spent on social workers. Any child who turns up at school hungry could trigger a social worker visit to their home, to go through their parents incomings and outgoings, to highlight where they are going wrong compared to the equally poor parents who are not failing to feed their children.
Agreed ^^ but unfortunately you can see the howls of indignation from the "Left"When benefits in this country clearly provide enough for the majority ... we need to understand and assist (change behaviour for feckless / Provide further assistance for those genuinely caught in a poverty trap) of those who are not acting responsibly for their children.
anonymous said:
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Unfortunately It wasn't ..... The speaker should have intervened but it was the MP who stopped his speech to highlight her comment, Another example on an insult on a tory getting a free passDigga said:
There's an argument for providing free meals for all, full stop. Do breakfasts and it gets the kids there on time too.
It may be a socialist idea but I'd be up for a taxpayer funded school provision of a breakfast service before & lunch service during school, That's a different debate than Marcus R's voucher scheme thoughI live in Liverpool so a lot of people I know strongly support Labour and hate the Tories no matter what they do.
I’m not sure how to feel about this rejection of free school meals in the holidays though.
Clearly there’s a failing from parents if children are going to bed hungry, they’re the priority no matter what.
Then there must be a failing by the government as this has became that big of an issue that people must be clearly struggling if kids are going to sleep hungry.
So the picture is just bigger than children needing feeding in the school holidays. No child should be going to school not only for education but also food.
Their are things as food banks so some families are clearly not being supported enough.
I’m not sure how to feel about this rejection of free school meals in the holidays though.
Clearly there’s a failing from parents if children are going to bed hungry, they’re the priority no matter what.
Then there must be a failing by the government as this has became that big of an issue that people must be clearly struggling if kids are going to sleep hungry.
So the picture is just bigger than children needing feeding in the school holidays. No child should be going to school not only for education but also food.
Their are things as food banks so some families are clearly not being supported enough.
T6 vanman said:
Digga said:
There's an argument for providing free meals for all, full stop. Do breakfasts and it gets the kids there on time too.
It may be a socialist idea but I'd be up for a taxpayer funded school provision of a breakfast service before & lunch service during school, That's a different debate than Marcus R's voucher scheme thoughKiller2005 said:
Seems the some of left on social media are running with it too, every post referring to Tories as scum.
That's not really a new thing. Tories have often been described as being "lower than vermin". Once you go down the road of one side of politics being moral and the other immoral that's what happens
T6 vanman said:
Kent Border Kenny said:
Perhaps the money could be spent on social workers. Any child who turns up at school hungry could trigger a social worker visit to their home, to go through their parents incomings and outgoings, to highlight where they are going wrong compared to the equally poor parents who are not failing to feed their children.
Agreed ^^ but unfortunately you can see the howls of indignation from the "Left"When benefits in this country clearly provide enough for the majority ... we need to understand and assist (change behaviour for feckless / Provide further assistance for those genuinely caught in a poverty trap) of those who are not acting responsibly for their children.
anonymous said:
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Unfortunately It wasn't ..... The speaker should have intervened but it was the MP who stopped his speech to highlight her comment, Another example on an insult on a tory getting a free passDigga said:
There's an argument for providing free meals for all, full stop. Do breakfasts and it gets the kids there on time too.
It may be a socialist idea but I'd be up for a taxpayer funded school provision of a breakfast service before & lunch service during school, That's a different debate than Marcus R's voucher scheme thoughIn a previous life I worked for the CSA and we used to see all sorts. As one colleague once said to me, there are people out there who prioritise feeding their dogs over their children. There were loads of people making enormous sacrifices to meet their responsibilities but a reasonable number who ran their lives that, at best, suggested ambivalence towards parental responsibility. This wasn't limited to a particular income group.
tangerine_sedge said:
gizlaroc said:
tangerine_sedge said:
link with Dianne Abbott content
An old story, but pops your narrative that it's always the left with vile social media postings.
Most of those vile tweets to Abbott were traced back to Corbyn's IP address though. An old story, but pops your narrative that it's always the left with vile social media postings.
:squawk:
PeteinSQ said:
That's not really a new thing. Tories have often been described as being "lower than vermin".
Once you go down the road of one side of politics being moral and the other immoral that's what happens
The irony is it's the left that's ultimately more immoral.Once you go down the road of one side of politics being moral and the other immoral that's what happens
The right: Here's what we think the truth is. It's not pretty, it'll be hard work, but it's the best for everybody in the long run, and most will get out what they put in.
The left: If we tell enough lies with enough passion, the working classes will actually think we're doing this for them. While actually in the long term it'll keep them as our willing minions, while some of us live the high life. Despite being oppressed by our lies, they'll actually defend our position! Bahahaha mugs. <waves placard> "Look at the tory scum"
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