Angela Rayner calls Tory MP "Scum"
Discussion
Munter said:
The right: Here's what we think the truth is. It's not pretty, it'll be hard work, but it's the best for everybody in the long run, and most will get out what they put in.
Maybe previous administrations but this lot don't operate by telling the truth. Look at our oven ready Brexit deal, the 40 new hospitals, level up the North and other such s
te. They are selling a fantasy. The truth is pushing through planning permission to save billionaire Tory donors 40mil, golden contracts for PPE to their friends freshly established company's. They've always looked after their own.
Escy said:
Munter said:
The right: Here's what we think the truth is. It's not pretty, it'll be hard work, but it's the best for everybody in the long run, and most will get out what they put in.
Maybe previous administrations but this lot don't operate by telling the truth. Look at our oven ready Brexit deal, the 40 new hospitals, level up the North and other such ste. They are selling a fantasy. The truth is pushing through planning permission to save billionaire Tory donors 40mil, golden contracts for PPE to their friends freshly established company's. They've always looked after their own.
Tom Logan said:
tangerine_sedge said:
gizlaroc said:
tangerine_sedge said:
link with Dianne Abbott content
An old story, but pops your narrative that it's always the left with vile social media postings.
Most of those vile tweets to Abbott were traced back to Corbyn's IP address though. An old story, but pops your narrative that it's always the left with vile social media postings.
:squawk:
Munter said:
The irony is it's the left that's ultimately more immoral.
The right: Here's what we think the truth is. It's not pretty, it'll be hard work, but it's the best for everybody in the long run, and most will get out what they put in.
The left: If we tell enough lies with enough passion, the working classes will actually think we're doing this for them. While actually in the long term it'll keep them as our willing minions, while some of us live the high life. Despite being oppressed by our lies, they'll actually defend our position! Bahahaha mugs. <waves placard> "Look at the tory scum"
That's an analogy that has a certain ring of truth to it.The right: Here's what we think the truth is. It's not pretty, it'll be hard work, but it's the best for everybody in the long run, and most will get out what they put in.
The left: If we tell enough lies with enough passion, the working classes will actually think we're doing this for them. While actually in the long term it'll keep them as our willing minions, while some of us live the high life. Despite being oppressed by our lies, they'll actually defend our position! Bahahaha mugs. <waves placard> "Look at the tory scum"
But there are holes.
Tories..is it really best for everybody? Hmmm, plenty of evidence about that suggests their decisions plainly favour their business or personal connections.
I agree regulated capitalism has lifted far more out of poverty than socialism can claim to have done, but let's not pretend the wealthy aren't all about themselves.
I also think there are some genuine social justice types who believe in "a better way". Some (well one) very academic chap I know regularly posts Tory scum stuff all over Facebook. I'm sure he's genuine. Bit agree he's being misled, as many other ardent socialists have found out to their cost.
There was a time, in my thirties, when it dawned on me that I was almost certainly brighter and more capable than the majority of our MPs (and I'm not claiming to be a genius). Those in power were certainly not my 'betters'.
Now I'm in my late forties I've come to the awful realisation that, in fact, my dog is also probably brighter and more capable than the majority of our MPs.
Rayner is a disgrace. Pathetically low intelligence, little relevant experience and no manners...like so many of those who sit in the Houses or Parliament, sadly.
Now I'm in my late forties I've come to the awful realisation that, in fact, my dog is also probably brighter and more capable than the majority of our MPs.
Rayner is a disgrace. Pathetically low intelligence, little relevant experience and no manners...like so many of those who sit in the Houses or Parliament, sadly.
chemistry said:
There was a time, in my thirties, when it dawned on me that I was almost certainly brighter and more capable than the majority of our MPs (and I'm not claiming to be a genius). Those in power were certainly not my 'betters'.
Now I'm in my late forties I've come to the awful realisation that, in fact, my dog is also probably brighter and more capable than the majority of our MPs.
Rayner is a disgrace. Pathetically low intelligence, little relevant experience and no manners...like so many of those who sit in the Houses or Parliament, sadly.
Does she have more or less relevant experience than someone that grew up in boarding school went to Oxbridge and went straight into politics? Now I'm in my late forties I've come to the awful realisation that, in fact, my dog is also probably brighter and more capable than the majority of our MPs.
Rayner is a disgrace. Pathetically low intelligence, little relevant experience and no manners...like so many of those who sit in the Houses or Parliament, sadly.
chemistry said:
There was a time, in my thirties, when it dawned on me that I was almost certainly brighter and more capable than the majority of our MPs (and I'm not claiming to be a genius). Those in power were certainly not my 'betters'.
Now I'm in my late forties I've come to the awful realisation that, in fact, my dog is also probably brighter and more capable than the majority of our MPs.
Rayner is a disgrace. Pathetically low intelligence, little relevant experience and no manners...like so many of those who sit in the Houses or Parliament, sadly.
She's worked as a care worker so understands the vulnerable and she's qualified in sign language so clearly cares enough. I'd say she has relevant experience.Now I'm in my late forties I've come to the awful realisation that, in fact, my dog is also probably brighter and more capable than the majority of our MPs.
Rayner is a disgrace. Pathetically low intelligence, little relevant experience and no manners...like so many of those who sit in the Houses or Parliament, sadly.
I can only assume the 'pathetically low intelligence' comment comes from her thick accent unless there's evidence that you can present that shows she is intellectually challenged?
As for no manners and being a disgrace. Is it more or less of a disgrace than Tories refusing to feed starving kids? She called things out of rwhat they were, which is something that our politicians don't do due to some misguided sense of decorum and dignity (which they s
t all over repeatedly). As I said, it's refreshing to hear what somebody really thinks of someone else in the Houses of Parliament. They are scum and she called it right.Escy said:
Munter said:
The right: Here's what we think the truth is. It's not pretty, it'll be hard work, but it's the best for everybody in the long run, and most will get out what they put in.
Maybe previous administrations but this lot don't operate by telling the truth. Look at our oven ready Brexit deal, the 40 new hospitals, level up the North and other such ste. They are selling a fantasy. The truth is pushing through planning permission to save billionaire Tory donors 40mil, golden contracts for PPE to their friends freshly established company's. They've always looked after their own.
I'd say the person who says "Yep, we're in this to get rich, by giving you the opportunity to be rich, and then riding on your shoulders, that's how we think the world works best", is way more moral, than the left saying: "we care about you, you'll all live forever, and nobody will ever go hungry" (while taking everything you work for and deciding if you deserve it, thus causing nobody to work hard and leading to the downfall of society as a whole. Significantly to the detriment of the working class, not the political class.)
One of these groups is fundamentally honest. The current versions may be thick. But morally, honest. The other group is deliberately deceitful at the most fundamental level. Morally, dishonest. You can't then try and put a veneer of morality on the top and say "this is the best way, look at our superior morality". (Well clearly you can, and you'll pull a big load of people to your side who believe that veneer shows substance. But every now and then, it'll crack, and they'll see Jeremy Corbyn and his ilk.)
I struggle to come up with anything more immoral than taking advantage of the (generally less educated and more gullible) working classes, by lying to them with a political ideal you know is flawed, and will see them and theirs worse off, while telling them the opposite, but it will give you power so you just don't care and keep pedalling the lie.
Munter said:
I struggle to come up with anything more immoral than taking advantage of the (generally less educated and more gullible) working classes, by lying to them with a political ideal you know is flawed, and will see them and theirs worse off, while telling them the opposite, but it will give you power so you just don't care and keep pedalling the lie.
Ironically but you've literally just nailed the Tory party here. One word BREXIT Escy said:
Munter said:
I struggle to come up with anything more immoral than taking advantage of the (generally less educated and more gullible) working classes, by lying to them with a political ideal you know is flawed, and will see them and theirs worse off, while telling them the opposite, but it will give you power so you just don't care and keep pedalling the lie.
Ironically but you've literally just nailed the Tory party here. One word BREXIT And I'm talking generalisations over decades, not specifics. Both sides have done dumb and good things. But on the question of morals of right vs left, the right wins as a fundamentally honest concept (over the fundamentally dishonest manipulation of the left).
In a UK right/left sense. Not for instance a US extreme right vs almost extreme right called left, sense
crankedup said:
Escy said:
Munter said:
The right: Here's what we think the truth is. It's not pretty, it'll be hard work, but it's the best for everybody in the long run, and most will get out what they put in.
Maybe previous administrations but this lot don't operate by telling the truth. Look at our oven ready Brexit deal, the 40 new hospitals, level up the North and other such ste. They are selling a fantasy. The truth is pushing through planning permission to save billionaire Tory donors 40mil, golden contracts for PPE to their friends freshly established company's. They've always looked after their own.
BigMon said:
crankedup said:
Escy said:
Munter said:
The right: Here's what we think the truth is. It's not pretty, it'll be hard work, but it's the best for everybody in the long run, and most will get out what they put in.
Maybe previous administrations but this lot don't operate by telling the truth. Look at our oven ready Brexit deal, the 40 new hospitals, level up the North and other such ste. They are selling a fantasy. The truth is pushing through planning permission to save billionaire Tory donors 40mil, golden contracts for PPE to their friends freshly established company's. They've always looked after their own.
Child cruelty used to be a big headline, atm it’s child hunger. Both have been occurring forever in history and no amount of well intentioned acts of kindness and generosity will overcome the problems, imo. It is a plain fact that parents are responsible for the welfare of their children, if they cannot cope they should seek assistance by reporting to the Authorities, imo. Those that do not care will simply carry on not caring.
basherX said:
In a previous life I worked for the CSA and we used to see all sorts. As one colleague once said to me, there are people out there who prioritise feeding their dogs over their children. There were loads of people making enormous sacrifices to meet their responsibilities but a reasonable number who ran their lives that, at best, suggested ambivalence towards parental responsibility. This wasn't limited to a particular income group.
It seems the wider issue is not making sure children don't go hungry, it is educating adults about the responsibility of parenting - to think ahead before having children. If we increase state funding on this, we get into a viscious circle of those milking the system and increasing expectation that the responsbility lies with the state and not the parent.Having said all that, in these times of crisis with lockdown and job losses, there should be a temporary measure whereby school canteens are kept open over the holiday period. The funding then goes towards paid staff and food for those children who can attend their own school to get food on a daily basis.
leef44 said:
It seems the wider issue is not making sure children don't go hungry, it is educating adults about the responsibility of parenting - to think ahead before having children . If we increase state funding on this, we get into a viscious circle of those milking the system and increasing expectation that the responsbility lies with the state and not the parent.
Having said all that, in these times of crisis with lockdown and job losses, there should be a temporary measure whereby school canteens are kept open over the holiday period. The funding then goes towards paid staff and food for those children who can attend their own school to get food on a daily basis.
Send them all for a stint at the CSA (or whatever it's called these days) for two years and they'll learn that or, at least the importance of bagging up before playtime. Having said all that, in these times of crisis with lockdown and job losses, there should be a temporary measure whereby school canteens are kept open over the holiday period. The funding then goes towards paid staff and food for those children who can attend their own school to get food on a daily basis.
That's a nice looking menu, I'm glad to be chipping in for subsided food for members of Parliament, I don't want them going hungry.
Interesting link, a list of all the MP's that voted against free school meals and their expenses claimed.
http://mpsagainstfreeschoolmeals.com/
Interesting link, a list of all the MP's that voted against free school meals and their expenses claimed.
http://mpsagainstfreeschoolmeals.com/
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I bet we can all guess who won't be going hungry thanks to taxpayer subsidies.
I presume the mini steak and kidney pudding is for when a mini sirloin by itself couldn't possibly be enough.
Christ how olds that menu? There’s nothing over a tenner. Still, keeps those expenses down...I presume the mini steak and kidney pudding is for when a mini sirloin by itself couldn't possibly be enough.
It’s nothing new as I have said before, must be 30 years ago or more but still relevant. Good friend and his wife used to ‘take in’ abused children into their home looking after them until the Authorities found more permanent homes. He told me of one case where Authorities found a child who had been permanently locked away in the cupboard under the stairs. IIRC the child was 3 or 4 years age. The child when brought out into the light reacted in a way to be expected, couldn’t see and petrified of everything around. My pal told me that this was one of the stories which was truly shocking but as nothing compared to the ‘less fortunate’.
When we relate back to the Fred West’s of this World it takes little imagination just how demented some adults are.
When we relate back to the Fred West’s of this World it takes little imagination just how demented some adults are.
andy43 said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I bet we can all guess who won't be going hungry thanks to taxpayer subsidies.
I presume the mini steak and kidney pudding is for when a mini sirloin by itself couldn't possibly be enough.
Christ how olds that menu? There’s nothing over a tenner. Still, keeps those expenses down...I presume the mini steak and kidney pudding is for when a mini sirloin by itself couldn't possibly be enough.
Still, it would be fun if they all ate packed lunches.
F1GTRUeno said:
She's worked as a care worker so understands the vulnerable and she's qualified in sign language so clearly cares enough. I'd say she has relevant experience.
I can only assume the 'pathetically low intelligence' comment comes from her thick accent unless there's evidence that you can present that shows she is intellectually challenged?
As for no manners and being a disgrace. Is it more or less of a disgrace than Tories refusing to feed starving kids? She called things out of rwhat they were, which is something that our politicians don't do due to some misguided sense of decorum and dignity (which they st all over repeatedly). As I said, it's refreshing to hear what somebody really thinks of someone else in the Houses of Parliament. They are scum and she called it right.
I'm pleased she actually has a qualification in something.I can only assume the 'pathetically low intelligence' comment comes from her thick accent unless there's evidence that you can present that shows she is intellectually challenged?
As for no manners and being a disgrace. Is it more or less of a disgrace than Tories refusing to feed starving kids? She called things out of rwhat they were, which is something that our politicians don't do due to some misguided sense of decorum and dignity (which they s
t all over repeatedly). As I said, it's refreshing to hear what somebody really thinks of someone else in the Houses of Parliament. They are scum and she called it right.The 'pathetically low intelligence' probably isn't because of the accent so much as the lack of academic achievement plus the things she's said over the years.
Tories are not 'refusing to feed starving kids' so much as pointing out that it's the parents' job to do so & those in need have already been given the money to do so.
I don't find it refreshing to hear elected politicians acting like chavs. I also don't see the benefit in letting emotion cloud judgement as so often seems to be the case.
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