Angela Rayner calls Tory MP "Scum"
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Escy said:
Wombat3 said:
This thread is about Crayons Rayner....
"But Boris" is somewhat irrelevant.
You should hold all politicians to the same standards regardless of party. "But Boris" is somewhat irrelevant.
The salient point about Crayons and her ilk (for me anyway) is that her particular brand of politics is destructive. She is far more interested in & excited by what she can dismantle or destroy with seemingly fairly few logical, practical or coherent ideas as to what can be built instead.
Edited by Wombat3 on Sunday 25th October 08:54
Red 4 said:
768 said:
But everyone else should look in despair at Labour and the wider political system putting her in as shadow education secretary, with no educational attainment. And then promoting her to the position she now uses to label the people she works with as scum.
I'm not sure what Rayner's academic qualifications have to with her ability or intelligence TBH.She appears to have studied, initially, at The School of Hard Knocks and The University of Life. Are you saying she would be better at her job if she had a degree in, say, Interpretive Dance or The Life of John Lennon ? These are both real, proper degree courses apparently !
Some of the stupidest people I know are highly academically qualified - Post Doctorate in some cases - with zero common sense.
For the record I do think Rayner sometimes comes across as a bit thick but then don't all politicians at one time or another ?
I think she fits in well. If she spoke with an Etonian twang I'm sure some people would think she is Einstein.
A) she’d have the first clue what she’d talking about when it comes to university sector in general
B) she’d have been a more appropriate figure in shadow education role and less of a laughing stock amongst vast swaths of the voting population who would always dismiss her as unqualified following her departure from the educational system aged 16
C) she’d potentially have learned some of the life skills such as communication, influencing and strategy, that would make her a better politician than the rabble rousing shouty idiot she comes across as
chrispmartha said:
crankedup said:
chrispmartha said:
crankedup said:
chrispmartha said:
Wombat3 said:
chrispmartha said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:768 said:
She does, but she thinks it's where you have your first kid.
Do you have similar views about anyone who's a single parent at a young age or is it entirely down to which political party they support?Isn’t that exactly what some on here are calling for people to do yet it seems she’s still derided for her past?
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1996 (@ 16) left school when pregnant.
Subsequently trained as a Social care worker & worked for Stockport council can't see when that started but lets be generous & say in 2000
Subsequently became union Rep for unison & after that Convener for the whole North West. One can only imagine what percentage of her time was spent on Social care by that time but if most union wallahs are to be used an example, not very much would be the answer. Unison is, of course the public sector union.
Married a Unison bod in 2010 & had two further kids, one prematurely so much of the next 4 or 5 years taken up with that before entering parliament in 2015.
So overall she's probably done maybe 5 or 6 years actual work 9-5, 5 days a week working for a local council before getting heavily involved in Union activities & then politics.
Never been near a business, & therefore knows only what she has learned either second/third hand or through dogma/doctrine. In other words S.F.A.
The only use of the word "successful" that applies to her is the £80K a year she relieves the taxpayer of.
Absolutely stealing a living.
crankedup said:
At least you are beginning to move away from your original response, little by little. What you should recognise is to learn to live with constructive criticism and then debate. Only the leat line was opinion and that opinion was formed from the factual statements the poster offered. Read it again and you will recognise that is the facts that you do not want to admit to.
He’s right. Watched a Ricky Gervais stand up last night. If only people could deal with their emotions rather than expecting Others to facilitate it so they never to have to see or deal with something they don’t like. jakesmith said:
He’s right. Watched a Ricky Gervais stand up last night. If only people could deal with their emotions rather than expecting Others to facilitate it so they never to have to see or deal with something they don’t like.
Huge fan of Gervais stand-up. Clever, clever man and a fellow philosopher!fastraxx said:
crankedup said:
Owing to the nature of work which can involve spending far more than an average working day in terms of hours. If I spent 12-15 hours stuck at work on a regular basis I would see meal subsidy as reasonable. Otherwise it’s off out to my fave restaurant for a full priced meal(s) on expenses. I guess on balance the subsidy works out fairly for both the MP and tax payer.
They are there regularly for 12-15hrs??!! In the bar perhaps...biggbn said:
jakesmith said:
He’s right. Watched a Ricky Gervais stand up last night. If only people could deal with their emotions rather than expecting Others to facilitate it so they never to have to see or deal with something they don’t like.
Huge fan of Gervais stand-up. Clever, clever man and a fellow philosopher!jakesmith said:
He’s right. Watched a Ricky Gervais stand up last night. If only people could deal with their emotions rather than expecting Others to facilitate it so they never to have to see or deal with something they don’t like.
Right but that’s what you do when you’re constantly looking for anti semitism and racism due to your belief in a particular way of following a divine being. You’ve got opinions and thoughts about god (a religious faith) but then constantly throw around the -ist card when people don’t facilitate them to your satisfaction.
El stovey said:
jakesmith said:
He’s right. Watched a Ricky Gervais stand up last night. If only people could deal with their emotions rather than expecting Others to facilitate it so they never to have to see or deal with something they don’t like.
Right but that’s what you do when you’re constantly looking for anti semitism and racism due to your belief in a particular way of following a divine being. You’ve got opinions and thoughts about god (a religious faith) but then constantly throw around the -ist card when people don’t facilitate them to your satisfaction.
biggbn said:
Gervais has been called out about antisemitism on many occasions because of some of his material, which I dont think is/was antisemitic but I can understand how/why it could be considered extremely offensive
Gervais’s humour isn’t actually his own opinions though.It’s jokes that sometimes reflect his views and sometimes don’t. He frequently indicates support or rejections of different views depending on the joke.
He often plays with the audience by getting laughs for one view and then turning it on its head.
That’s why Gervais is interesting, you get a speech like the oscars and everyone thinks he’s supporting their own outlook and world view but he’s just making jokes.
His podcasts and YouTube blogs are much more about his thoughts on politics and religion if people are interested in hearing another side of him.
El stovey said:
biggbn said:
Gervais has been called out about antisemitism on many occasions because of some of his material, which I dont think is/was antisemitic but I can understand how/why it could be considered extremely offensive
Gervais’s humour isn’t actually his own opinions though.It’s jokes that sometimes reflect his views and sometimes don’t. He frequently indicates support or rejections of different views depending on the joke.
He often plays with the audience by getting laughs for one view and then turning it on its head.
That’s why Gervais is interesting, you get a speech like the oscars and everyone thinks he’s supporting their own outlook and world view but he’s just making jokes.
His podcasts and YouTube blogs are much more about his thoughts on politics and religion if people are interested in hearing another side of him.
biggbn said:
jakesmith said:
He’s right. Watched a Ricky Gervais stand up last night. If only people could deal with their emotions rather than expecting Others to facilitate it so they never to have to see or deal with something they don’t like.
Huge fan of Gervais stand-up. Clever, clever man and a fellow philosopher!re expenses yes it's fair enough. I work as a civil servant, travel, work away and claim expenses
BUT why is what I can claim much less?
The parameters should be no different
£75 per night B&B maximum allowed outside London (£95 in London I think not 100%)
£20 subsistence for 24 hrs meals (receipts required). No alcohol with eve meal even if working away from home.
Not allowed to claim in my own geographical area for meals even if finishing late.
45 pence per mile for using my car drops to 25p after 10000m in the year.
BUT why is what I can claim much less?
The parameters should be no different
£75 per night B&B maximum allowed outside London (£95 in London I think not 100%)
£20 subsistence for 24 hrs meals (receipts required). No alcohol with eve meal even if working away from home.
Not allowed to claim in my own geographical area for meals even if finishing late.
45 pence per mile for using my car drops to 25p after 10000m in the year.
biggbn said:
El stovey said:
biggbn said:
Gervais has been called out about antisemitism on many occasions because of some of his material, which I dont think is/was antisemitic but I can understand how/why it could be considered extremely offensive
Gervais’s humour isn’t actually his own opinions though.It’s jokes that sometimes reflect his views and sometimes don’t. He frequently indicates support or rejections of different views depending on the joke.
He often plays with the audience by getting laughs for one view and then turning it on its head.
That’s why Gervais is interesting, you get a speech like the oscars and everyone thinks he’s supporting their own outlook and world view but he’s just making jokes.
His podcasts and YouTube blogs are much more about his thoughts on politics and religion if people are interested in hearing another side of him.
He’s produced loads of material during lockdown including some great stuff with people like Russell Brand covering all sorts of topics like mental health, wealth, god, spiritually and atheism etc.
El stovey said:
Right but that’s what you do when you’re constantly looking for anti semitism and racism due to your belief in a particular way of following a divine being.
You’ve got opinions and thoughts about god (a religious faith) but then constantly throw around the -ist card when people don’t facilitate them to your satisfaction.
No Stovey, that’s a false equivalency. The conversation about Rayner is objective. The poster set out facts and was spuriously criticised for being biased / emotional when the substance of his argument was a matter of public record and accepted fact. You’ve got opinions and thoughts about god (a religious faith) but then constantly throw around the -ist card when people don’t facilitate them to your satisfaction.
The conversation around red Len was subjective and open to interpretation. To many educated people he was being racist. You had it explained to you several times but persisted in saying it wasn’t, because you are a racist, or chose to be ignorant, or just disagreed. All of which are your prerogative.
Where you cross the line then and sadly today too, is by trying to browbeat me and telling me what I think, what I believe, denying a basic truth such as Jews being an ethnic group (again today) and that I am misrepresenting my own thoughts on here. That is not just unacceptable but utterly pointless.
I’m all for a mature debate and having my views challenged but I’m not going to stand for you calling me a liar. Faith has nothing to do with it, I’m an atheist.
This is not subsided as such, these prices will mean they are selling at cost.
My brother is a head chef, and said those prices will cover the food, the kitchen costs, as in appliances and electricity and gas, and the chef's wages, but would need to probably be rent free and won't show any profit as such, just enough for upkeep.
He said that running restaurants and bars in these sort of set ups is far easier than trying to run a restaurant on the high street as you have a constant churn of covers, same numbers no matter what day it is, you don't have the issue of being quiet during the week and not being able to get everyone in at the weekend like you do on the high street.
All the info is here.....
https://www.parliament.uk/site-information/foi/tra...
14,500 staff use the restaurants as well as visitors and 650 politicians from all parties.
If you have a read though the published docs you will see that some restaurants turn a profit while others do not, but overall it is pretty much a well run cost neutral operation.
Maybe they should consider getting those that run the set up to run the country?
My brother is a head chef, and said those prices will cover the food, the kitchen costs, as in appliances and electricity and gas, and the chef's wages, but would need to probably be rent free and won't show any profit as such, just enough for upkeep.
He said that running restaurants and bars in these sort of set ups is far easier than trying to run a restaurant on the high street as you have a constant churn of covers, same numbers no matter what day it is, you don't have the issue of being quiet during the week and not being able to get everyone in at the weekend like you do on the high street.
All the info is here.....
https://www.parliament.uk/site-information/foi/tra...
14,500 staff use the restaurants as well as visitors and 650 politicians from all parties.
If you have a read though the published docs you will see that some restaurants turn a profit while others do not, but overall it is pretty much a well run cost neutral operation.
Maybe they should consider getting those that run the set up to run the country?
Edited by gizlaroc on Sunday 25th October 11:14
chrispmartha said:
biggbn said:
jakesmith said:
He’s right. Watched a Ricky Gervais stand up last night. If only people could deal with their emotions rather than expecting Others to facilitate it so they never to have to see or deal with something they don’t like.
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