Angela Rayner calls Tory MP "Scum"

[biggbn]

Biggy Stardust said:

Unfortunate place for the typo.

The difference is that you were never made shadow education secretary & never needed people to make excuses regarding lack of achievement.

Oh, I am more than happy with my achievements, I am making the point school achievements count for damn all. I left with decent qualifications to be fair but never applied myself. Our last two pm never even managed first class degrees, one in classics, one in geography for goodness sake. How do those academic 'achievements' qualify them to run the country, using your argument?

[jakesmith]

bhstewie said:

Do you actually believe the stuff you're saying Jake?

I read it and I do wonder sometimes.

Can't quite put my finger on it but it's a bit like the good kid who fell in with the wrong crowd at school and never quite understood how or why it had happened to them.

Which is kind of ironic given the discussion.

Am I the good kid and you & biggbn the wrong crowd in your analogy? If so I will continue to win you over with my good nature & surgical dissection of your whataboutery-infused positions.
Or am I the wrong crowd tempting you over to the dark side of smoking & girls with my devious and compelling rhetoric?

[biggbn]

jakesmith said:

bhstewie said:

Do you actually believe the stuff you're saying Jake?

I read it and I do wonder sometimes.

Can't quite put my finger on it but it's a bit like the good kid who fell in with the wrong crowd at school and never quite understood how or why it had happened to them.

Which is kind of ironic given the discussion.

Am I the good kid and you & biggbn the wrong crowd in your analogy? If so I will continue to win you over with my good nature & surgical dissection of your whataboutery-infused positions.
Or am I the wrong crowd tempting you over to the dark side of smoking & girls with my devious and compelling rhetoric?

I'm well versed with the darker side of life Jake, but no longer. Like Hyman Roth, I'm a retired investor on a pension these days

[jakesmith]

biggbn said:

Oh, I am more than happy with my achievements, I am making the point school achievements count for damn all. I left with decent qualifications to be fair but never applied myself. Our last two pm never even managed first class degrees, one in classics, one in geography for goodness sake. How do those academic 'achievements' qualify them to run the country, using your argument?

They didn't and you are right as usual but I still don't want Harold Shipman running health if you see what I mean

[bitchstewie]

jakesmith said:

Am I the good kid and you & biggbn the wrong crowd in your analogy? If so I will continue to win you over with my good nature & surgical dissection of your whataboutery-infused positions.
Or am I the wrong crowd tempting you over to the dark side of smoking & girls with my devious and compelling rhetoric?

Not quite Jake

[jakesmith]

biggbn said:

jakesmith said:

bhstewie said:

Do you actually believe the stuff you're saying Jake?

I read it and I do wonder sometimes.

Can't quite put my finger on it but it's a bit like the good kid who fell in with the wrong crowd at school and never quite understood how or why it had happened to them.

Which is kind of ironic given the discussion.

Am I the good kid and you & biggbn the wrong crowd in your analogy? If so I will continue to win you over with my good nature & surgical dissection of your whataboutery-infused positions.
Or am I the wrong crowd tempting you over to the dark side of smoking & girls with my devious and compelling rhetoric?

Like Hyman Roth, I'm a retired investor on a pension these days

I'd give Miami airport a miss then

[Biggy Stardust]

biggbn said:

Oh, I am more than happy with my achievements, I am making the point school achievements count for damn all. I left with decent qualifications to be fair but never applied myself. Our last two pm never even managed first class degrees, one in classics, one in geography for goodness sake. How do those academic 'achievements' qualify them to run the country, using your argument?

Academic qualifications indicate a mixture of intelligence & application.
Lack of qualifications would tend to suggest a lack of one or both. In Rayner's case I'd suggest both.

[bitchstewie]

Biggy Stardust said:

Academic qualifications indicate a mixture of intelligence & application.
Lack of qualifications would tend to suggest a lack of one or both. In Rayner's case I'd suggest both.

What do you think being sacked twice for lying might say about someone's "mixture of intelligence & application"?

Asking for a friend

[Biggy Stardust]

bhstewie said:

What do you think being sacked twice for lying might say about someone's "mixture of intelligence & application"?

Asking for a friend

I'm surprised you never mentioned this before.

[biggbn]

jakesmith said:

biggbn said:

jakesmith said:

bhstewie said:

Do you actually believe the stuff you're saying Jake?

I read it and I do wonder sometimes.

Can't quite put my finger on it but it's a bit like the good kid who fell in with the wrong crowd at school and never quite understood how or why it had happened to them.

Which is kind of ironic given the discussion.

Am I the good kid and you & biggbn the wrong crowd in your analogy? If so I will continue to win you over with my good nature & surgical dissection of your whataboutery-infused positions.
Or am I the wrong crowd tempting you over to the dark side of smoking & girls with my devious and compelling rhetoric?

Like Hyman Roth, I'm a retired investor on a pension these days

I'd give Miami airport a miss then

Two points for identification. Good man. Knew you wouldn't let me down.

[biggbn]

bhstewie said:

Biggy Stardust said:

Academic qualifications indicate a mixture of intelligence & application.
Lack of qualifications would tend to suggest a lack of one or both. In Rayner's case I'd suggest both.

What do you think being sacked twice for lying might say about someone's "mixture of intelligence & application"?

Asking for a friend

Whataboutery!! Red card.

[leef44]

valiant said:

Indeed.

Didn’t John Major leave school with only 3 O levels? He’s generally well thought of on here (including by me) and ended up in the top job. Don’t see many dismissing him due to his education.

Wow, I didn't know that. That's an interesting fact.

It wasn't Tory's best time in power, with the desperation to find a worthy leader while Labour were in disarray as well. It was only Blair with New Labour which broke that deadlock of a nation lacking direction.

This looks like where we are now, Boris is the least worse leader at the moment. We need a new breakthrough. If only Labour could get themselves sorted out.

[jakesmith]

leef44 said:

Wow, I didn't know that. That's an interesting fact.

There’s a reason you don’t know that and it’s not because he’s a male Tory. It’s because it’s irrelevant because he doesn’t act like an uneducated ignorant school bully.

[Wombat3]

gizlaroc said:

Red 4 said:

Abbott was in a league of her own. There is no comparison to be made here.

I don't see anyone suggesting people hand over their companies to government.

That would be like Communism and Rayner is a Socialist. You're pushing it here.
Maybe you should go for a lie down.

What are you talking about?


She is the second in command in one of the two political parties that run our country, so could be in charge of the running of our country, many don't think she has the ability to do so. She could get in and be there for 5 years.

I wouldn't let her run my business, which is retail, let alone the country.

I was asking if you think she has the ability or not.

I will use crayons next time.

That probably encapsulates it quite well, I wonder would any of those defending Crayons actually trust her to run and manage the organisation on which they depend for their livelihoods?

[98elise]

gizlaroc said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

98elise said:

She failed as pupil/student and is monumentally thick.

One out of two isn't bad.

You are just one of many who doesn't understand the difference between poorly educated and thick. In the same way that many people think well educated means clever. We have a PM to prove that isn't the case.

He simply stated that she failed as pupil/student and is monumentally thick.

Why do you think he doesn't understand there is a difference?

Agreed.

Education is being told what a fish is and what a vegetable is. Being thick is thinking a vegetarian can eat fish.

She failed at school, and she is thick IMO.

[bitchstewie]

98elise said:

Agreed.

Education is being told what a fish is and what a vegetable is. Being thick is thinking a vegetarian can eat fish.

She failed at school, and she is thick IMO.

A bit like how being taught Kipling is education and reciting it when in a temple in Myanmar is thick?

Sorry it's just too hard not to

[biggbn]

bhstewie said:

98elise said:

Agreed.

Education is being told what a fish is and what a vegetable is. Being thick is thinking a vegetarian can eat fish.

She failed at school, and she is thick IMO.

A bit like how being taught Kipling is education and reciting it when in a temple in Myanmar is thick?

Sorry it's just too hard not to

I thought I'd sent you off!!

[biggbn]

Wombat3 said:

gizlaroc said:

Red 4 said:

Abbott was in a league of her own. There is no comparison to be made here.

I don't see anyone suggesting people hand over their companies to government.

That would be like Communism and Rayner is a Socialist. You're pushing it here.
Maybe you should go for a lie down.

What are you talking about?


She is the second in command in one of the two political parties that run our country, so could be in charge of the running of our country, many don't think she has the ability to do so. She could get in and be there for 5 years.

I wouldn't let her run my business, which is retail, let alone the country.

I was asking if you think she has the ability or not.

I will use crayons next time.

That probably encapsulates it quite well, I wonder would any of those defending Crayons actually trust her to run and manage the organisation on which they depend for their livelihoods?

I think I'm right in saying only one poster has defended her, the rest of us are saying she made a huge error in her use of language.

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gizlaroc said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

98elise said:

She failed as pupil/student and is monumentally thick.

One out of two isn't bad.

You are just one of many who doesn't understand the difference between poorly educated and thick. In the same way that many people think well educated means clever. We have a PM to prove that isn't the case.

He simply stated that she failed as pupil/student and is monumentally thick.

Why do you think he doesn't understand there is a difference?

Baader-Meinhof meets over-fitting.

[Wombat3]

biggbn said:

I think I'm right in saying only one poster has defended her, the rest of us are saying she made a huge error in her use of language.

I think it's been well established that what she said was completely out of order. I was referring to her complete unsuitability to be anywhere near the levers of power.