45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 10)

[ooo000ooo]

unrepentant said:

I do think that if Trump loses he will go full scorched earth in the lame duck unfortunately.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-executive-order-civil-service-biden-election-schedule-f-b1255692.html

According to this he's gone scorched earth.

[p1stonhead]

ooo000ooo said:

unrepentant said:

I do think that if Trump loses he will go full scorched earth in the lame duck unfortunately.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-executive-order-civil-service-biden-election-schedule-f-b1255692.html

According to this he's gone scorched earth.

Couldn’t Biden just undo it on the first day? American politics seems insane.

Executive orders are just bizarre.

[Prolex-UK]

ooo000ooo said:

unrepentant said:

I do think that if Trump loses he will go full scorched earth in the lame duck unfortunately.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-executive-order-civil-service-biden-election-schedule-f-b1255692.html

According to this he's gone scorched earth.

if true thats a worry

[Bill]

p1stonhead said:

Couldn’t Biden just undo it on the first day? American politics seems insane.

Executive orders are just bizarre.

+1

They've got a mammoth job ahead if Biden wins.

[Derek Smith]

MX5Biologist said:

reapercushions said:

And connecting the dots, I find it highly unlikely that someone would vote Red locally and Blue nationally.... would they?

Gonna be a rollercoaster on the night, that's for sure.

Must be common enough, if that pattern of voting has earned its own name; split ticket voting.

https://www.tutor2u.net/politics/reference/split-t...

I do it in the UK.

I vote libdems locally, as do an increasing number of local voters. It's a reaction, I think - it is in my case, of what appears to be a wasteful, profligate and secretive 100% tory council. Now we've got some libdems, we are seeing what realling goes on in council meetings, and it can't be good for the tories. Some is funny in a macbre way. The chair shouting down a libdem and then, when he continues talking, being told to be quiet when 'I'm', with repulsive conceit, talking.

Don't vote for them nationally as it's a wasted vote. Or, at least, has been up to recently. The numbers are going up so might just show them that the tory safe seat might not be all that safe after all.

[Blackpuddin]

Derek Smith said:

I vote libdems locally, as do an increasing number of local voters. It's a reaction, I think - it is in my case, of what appears to be a wasteful, profligate and secretive 100% tory council. Now we've got some libdems, we are seeing what realling goes on in council meetings, and it can't be good for the tories. Some is funny in a macbre way. The chair shouting down a libdem and then, when he continues talking, being told to be quiet when 'I'm', with repulsive conceit, talking.

We had exactly the same experiences in our old home in Wiltshire where a shameless Tory council ramrodded their way past everything, including crystal clear cases of conflict of interest in regards to proposed developments, and showed the same arrogance not just to minority councillors but also to members of the public attending open meetings.

[captain_cynic]

Derek Smith said:

MX5Biologist said:

reapercushions said:

And connecting the dots, I find it highly unlikely that someone would vote Red locally and Blue nationally.... would they?

Gonna be a rollercoaster on the night, that's for sure.

Must be common enough, if that pattern of voting has earned its own name; split ticket voting.

https://www.tutor2u.net/politics/reference/split-t...

I do it in the UK.

I vote libdems locally, as do an increasing number of local voters. It's a reaction, I think - it is in my case, of what appears to be a wasteful, profligate and secretive 100% tory council. Now we've got some libdems, we are seeing what realling goes on in council meetings, and it can't be good for the tories. Some is funny in a macbre way. The chair shouting down a libdem and then, when he continues talking, being told to be quiet when 'I'm', with repulsive conceit, talking.

Don't vote for them nationally as it's a wasted vote. Or, at least, has been up to recently. The numbers are going up so might just show them that the tory safe seat might not be all that safe after all.

This, when I lived in Australia you'd often see that most states were in Labor hands when the federal govt was LNP (and vice versa).

State governments are often very different to their federal counterparts in countries where states are given much more power. In the US each state has more power to create and enact policy than the devolved parliaments in the UK. A state government is much more answerable to individuals than national ones.

[Byker28i]

Bill said:

p1stonhead said:

Couldn’t Biden just undo it on the first day? American politics seems insane.

Executive orders are just bizarre.

+1

They've got a mammoth job ahead if Biden wins.

True unpicking everything, whilst discovering all the other things trump has done to benefit himself/the GOP.
If Biden wins he has 2 months to work out the list of people to replace, I'd imagine Barr is top of the list

[Derek Smith]

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captain_cynic said:

This, when I lived in Australia you'd often see that most states were in Labor hands when the federal govt was LNP (and vice versa).

State governments are often very different to their federal counterparts in countries where states are given much more power. In the US each state has more power to create and enact policy than the devolved parliaments in the UK. A state government is much more answerable to individuals than national ones.

Thanks for that. I find such differences fascinating.

Blackpuddin said:

We had exactly the same experiences in our old home in Wiltshire where a shameless Tory council ramrodded their way past everything, including crystal clear cases of conflict of interest in regards to proposed developments, and showed the same arrogance not just to minority councillors but also to members of the public attending open meetings.

It’s exactly the same here. An expensive refurbishment of the town centre was passed through, with little reference to the locals, and the meeting point, a hall run by the council, was closed, so risking the daily influx of old ‘uns who bought stuff and parked their cars. The library, we were told, would be state of the art and purpose built. It was abandoned for no reason, so another reason to come into the town centre was binned. The libdems fought for the library and a converted shop was gracelessly conceded. Covid has meant no progress on the rebuild.

I'll leave it there and save my bitterness for another thread.

[twister]

p1stonhead said:

Couldn’t Biden just undo it on the first day? American politics seems insane.

Executive orders are just bizarre.

Wikipedia suggests yes:

"Presidential executive orders, once issued, remain in force until they are canceled, revoked, adjudicated unlawful, or expire on their terms. At any time, the president may revoke, modify, or make exceptions from any executive order, whether the order was made by the current president or a predecessor. Typically, a new president reviews in-force executive orders in the first few weeks in office."

[p1stonhead]

twister said:

p1stonhead said:

Couldn’t Biden just undo it on the first day? American politics seems insane.

Executive orders are just bizarre.

Wikipedia suggests yes:

"Presidential executive orders, once issued, remain in force until they are canceled, revoked, adjudicated unlawful, or expire on their terms. At any time, the president may revoke, modify, or make exceptions from any executive order, whether the order was made by the current president or a predecessor. Typically, a new president reviews in-force executive orders in the first few weeks in office."

Biden gonna be busy then if he wins!

[stevesingo]

Byker28i said:

Bill said:

p1stonhead said:

Couldn’t Biden just undo it on the first day? American politics seems insane.

Executive orders are just bizarre.

+1

They've got a mammoth job ahead if Biden wins.

True unpicking everything, whilst discovering all the other things trump has done to benefit himself/the GOP.
If Biden wins he has 2 months to work out the list of people to replace, I'd imagine Barr is top of the list

If Biden is smart, he has already started on this. There may be merit in not only highlighting the differences between himself and trump, but also taking on those in trump's administration who are unpopular and stating now who they will replace.

Make the campaign against not only trump, but all of the reprehensible sycophants who trump has appointed.

Dishing the dirt on trump is like shooting fish in a barrel and all Americans know what he is like. Highlight how bad his appointees are.

The slogan could be "We are replacing this team, with this team".

[Centurion07]

Personally I'd like to see anyone that was unfairly sacked being given first refusal on their old jobs such as Yates, Vindman etc just to stick it to the Orange Turd.

[twister]

I'd work on the principle that anyone fired as a result of this EO would be the best possible candidates for the roles under a fair and just President and should therefore be offered immediate reinstatement without question, whilst anyone who wasn't fired should be first in line for role re-evaluation - perhaps even making use of the provisions of the EO to do so, before then revoking it...

[Derek Smith]

From a newsletter I subscribe to:

2016 US Election – Clinton was polling and betting markets' favourite, but 68% of money bet on the outcome went on Trump. Trump won.

2016 Brexit Ref – Remain was polling and betting markets' favourite, but 75% money bet on the outcome went on Leave. Leave won.

2020 US Election – Biden is polling and betting markets' favourite, but the percentage of money bet on the outcome for Trump so far? Currently close to 80%.

[Countdown]

Derek Smith said:

From a newsletter I subscribe to:

2016 US Election – Clinton was polling and betting markets' favourite, but 68% of money bet on the outcome went on Trump. Trump won.

2016 Brexit Ref – Remain was polling and betting markets' favourite, but 75% money bet on the outcome went on Leave. Leave won.

2020 US Election – Biden is polling and betting markets' favourite, but the percentage of money bet on the outcome for Trump so far? Currently close to 80%.

It wouldn't surprise me.

https://www.oddschecker.com/insight/politics/20201...

[anonymous-user]

Dont people bet according to the odds, rather that the logical outcome?
For example on Brexit. Remain were hot favourites. When the exit polls came up the night before, an upset looked possible. I placed my first ever bet at around 10pm, for Brexit, at around 10/1.
I didn’t think i’d win it, but made a decent amount!
Most think/hope Biden will win.
But Trump is worth a bet, at least it will ease your disappointment if Donny gets in !

[paulguitar]

Jimboka said:

Dont people bet according to the odds, rather that the logical outcome?
For example on Brexit. Remain were hot favourites. When the exit polls came up the night before, an upset looked possible. I placed my first ever bet at around 10pm, for Brexit, at around 10/1.
I didn’t think i’d win it, but made a decent amount!
Most think/hope Biden will win.
But Trump is worth a bet, at least it will ease your disappointment if Donny gets in !

Yes, precisely this. I have a bet on the nectarine narcissist, but I would much rather lose my money.

[captain_cynic]

Jimboka said:

Dont people bet according to the odds, rather that the logical outcome?
For example on Brexit. Remain were hot favourites. When the exit polls came up the night before, an upset looked possible. I placed my first ever bet at around 10pm, for Brexit, at around 10/1.
I didn’t think i’d win it, but made a decent amount!
Most think/hope Biden will win.
But Trump is worth a bet, at least it will ease your disappointment if Donny gets in !

One would think that if the person that has the most money on them consistently won... The entire betting industry would have one under by now.

[Blackpuddin]

paulguitar said:

nectarine narcissist

One of your best.
On the subject of executive orders, when trump got in I genuinely expected him to be brought in line by reality but it turned out that the reality of 'executive orders' amounted to presidential carte blanche. Hard to come up with a better example of anti-democracy. It's so odd in a country that thinks it has more freedom than any other. They really don't as long as a mad president can do what the hell he likes and veto anything he doesn't.