45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 10)
Discussion
Blackpuddin said:
The thing now is that the voting waters have been so muddied by the Trump administration's shamefully exclusionary shenanigans that a win by either man will be hard to substantiate. Biden will be just as entitled to call foul if he loses.
Absolutely. If Biden loses he can absolutely challenge the result and blame it on dodgy postal voting, watch Trump change his tune then 
paulguitar said:
At least the 'Biden is completely senile' campaign seems to have dried up pretty sharpish after the debates. That was clearly working before on some of the ignorant/easily led.
The trolls have all moved on to the Hunter Biden conspiracy now. Senile sleepy Joe was so 2 weeks ago.
Sophisticated Sarah said:
Rick_1138 said:
Polls were in a similar state last time where Hilary 'couldn't lose'. I'll wait till the 4th to see what happens.
The trouble is that I doubt many in the middle grounds will vote for Biden because he’s Joe Biden, it’s because he isn’t Trump. It’s a bit of a risky play by the Democrats as they could have wiped the floor if they had a decent candidate.
I reckon it’ll be a Biden win, but don’t think Trump will get the trouncing he merits.
The thing is, Trump didn't learn from 2016 where he was a rank outsider with a slick team. He's sacked said team (or they've been indicted) but he's still playing like it's 2016 with bluster and rallies when voters want to see actions and solutions. The Democrats have learned and Biden is running rings around Trump.
Biden was the perfect choice for the Democrats because he appeals to both moderate Democrats and Moderate Republicans, so he'll capture the moderates who cant stand Trump and retain the Democrat voters as even the Bernie Bros are getting behind him. Trump also has to worry about the Republicans who just wont vote, as they won't vote Dem and cant vote for another 4 years of Trump. If there is a group being silenced by peer pressure, It's the rusted on Republicans that dislike Trump. Ironically it's the same thing that foiled HRC in 2016, the Democrats that simply didn't vote.
But that's why Trumpettes hate Biden... it's not that he was a bad choice, it's that he is a good choice.
What remains to be seen is how far Trump will go to steal the election, as it's obvious he cant win it.
Blackpuddin said:
Derek Smith said:
I vote libdems locally, as do an increasing number of local voters. It's a reaction, I think - it is in my case, of what appears to be a wasteful, profligate and secretive 100% tory council. Now we've got some libdems, we are seeing what realling goes on in council meetings, and it can't be good for the tories. Some is funny in a macbre way. The chair shouting down a libdem and then, when he continues talking, being told to be quiet when 'I'm', with repulsive conceit, talking.
We had exactly the same experiences in our old home in Wiltshire where a shameless Tory council ramrodded their way past everything, including crystal clear cases of conflict of interest in regards to proposed developments, and showed the same arrogance not just to minority councillors but also to members of the public attending open meetings. p1stonhead said:
It's Infrastructure Week again?
Edited by hidetheelephants on Saturday 24th October 18:03
Max_Torque said:
Taylor James said:
what does the ranting and insulting achieve beyond emitting a lot of air?
Why don't you ask Trump himself? it's his only modus operandi (And as expected, it achieves nothing other than to antagonise everbody)captain_cynic said:
The Democrats have learned and Biden is running rings around Trump.
Hmm, but thats not showing in the polls, yes Biden is ahead but its hardly looking like a landslide at the moment is it.I did go through this page https://www.270towin.com/2020-polls-biden-trump/ It seems quite a few states will just scrape a majority for one side or the other. I suppose the thing to do would be to add up the EC votes for the "dead cert" states and see how many scenarios are left.
That site has a natty little graph where you can play with outcomes https://www.270towin.com/ If you move the "toss up" states to leans for Trump, the numbers change quite quickly, a couple of upsets and he could get there.
I haven't looked in to it, but I wonder which electors in the college might deposit "faithless votes" instead of repsecting the vote in that state. Some states forbid this with local laws, has Trump ensured that the EC electors will vote for him ?
By all rights, Biden should win but I don't think anything can be taken for granted at the moment.
Edited by Crafty_ on Saturday 24th October 19:19
Crafty_ said:
captain_cynic said:
The Democrats have learned and Biden is running rings around Trump.
Hmm, but thats not showing in the polls, yes Biden is ahead but its hardly looking like a landslide at the moment is it.I did go through this page https://www.270towin.com/2020-polls-biden-trump/ It seems quite a few states will just scrape a majority for one side or the other. I suppose the thing to do would be to add up the EC votes for the "dead cert" states and see how many scenarios are left.
That site has a natty little graph where you can play with outcomes https://www.270towin.com/ If you move the "toss up" states to leans for Trump, the numbers change quite quickly, a couple of upsets and he could get there.
I haven't looked in to it, but I wonder which electors in the college might deposit "faithless votes" instead of repsecting the vote in that state. Some states forbid this with local laws, has Trump ensured that the EC electors will vote for him ?
By all rights, Biden should win but I don't think anything can be taken for granted at the moment.
Edited by Crafty_ on Saturday 24th October 19:19
The US has a weird electoral system. I had a friend visit from the US and she was furious that her ‘constituency’ or part of it, had changed sides. It was deliberate, by means of gerrymandering: utterly corrupt, utterly immoral, utterly legal. Mind you, when the boundaries change in the UK, it’s something that we’ll have to get used to I suppose.
Taylor James said:
So is it fair to say that anti-Trump ranting and insulting just antagonises people as well?
It’s called opposition.It’s a required position, in the age of Q Anon s
te, and Trump bile.If that antagonises the antagonists, then stand back and stand by...
Edited by andyeds1234 on Saturday 24th October 19:49
Gweeds said:
If, after 4 years of this absolute insanity, you're still looking at Trump and thinking 'Yep, that's my guy. He stands for what I believe in', then it says more about you than anything else.
But as in this country it isn't that simple. Lots of Conservative voters don't believe in Boris but voted for him over Corbyn.Many republicans don't believe in Trump per se - but they do believe in low tax, small government, etc and their beliefs ally more closely with Trump than with Biden. So it's not that they believe in Trump, it's that he is the closest that align to their beliefs (and they won't vote Democrat or withhold their vote)
vaud said:
But as in this country it isn't that simple. Lots of Conservative voters don't believe in Boris but voted for him over Corbyn.
Many republicans don't believe in Trump per se - but they do believe in low tax, small government, etc and their beliefs ally more closely with Trump than with Biden. So it's not that they believe in Trump, it's that he is the closest that align to their beliefs (and they won't vote Democrat or withhold their vote)
But very, very few people in this country voted for Boris. Specifically, those in his constituency. The rest voted for their candidate, or the party. In that context, people in the US will be voting for their senator. But that's a different vote entirely.Many republicans don't believe in Trump per se - but they do believe in low tax, small government, etc and their beliefs ally more closely with Trump than with Biden. So it's not that they believe in Trump, it's that he is the closest that align to their beliefs (and they won't vote Democrat or withhold their vote)
People voting for Trump, are voting for Trump.
vaud said:
But as in this country it isn't that simple. Lots of Conservative voters don't believe in Boris but voted for him over Corbyn.
Many republicans don't believe in Trump per se - but they do believe in low tax, small government, etc and their beliefs ally more closely with Trump than with Biden. So it's not that they believe in Trump, it's that he is the closest that align to their beliefs (and they won't vote Democrat or withhold their vote)
And as has been alluded to, if you're willing to overlook all the negatives, of which there are MANY, for these few tiny positives, then it says more about you than him.Many republicans don't believe in Trump per se - but they do believe in low tax, small government, etc and their beliefs ally more closely with Trump than with Biden. So it's not that they believe in Trump, it's that he is the closest that align to their beliefs (and they won't vote Democrat or withhold their vote)
BURN THEM!!!
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