45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 10)
Discussion
bobbo89 said:
It does seem to have slipped too far away from his grasp to claw back yet there's still a niggle in the back of my mind that he still has a chance. If the polls and what the media are saying are true then he's a gonner, end of, game over but.........
I said in a previous volume that I think there'll be a lot of shy Trump voters out there and I still think there will be. He's as toxic as a very toxic thing, much more so now than he was in 2016, especially since the whole BLM and Antifa stuff started kicking off. He still paints himself as the American patriot however and the only option if America is to stay a land of the free and we all know what Americans are like for all of that stuff!
When Trump voters are being called fascists, racists and white supremacists etc you've got to wonder how many out there are keeping hush about who they're actually going to vote for....
Polls were in a similar state last time where Hilary 'couldn't lose'. I'll wait till the 4th to see what happens. I said in a previous volume that I think there'll be a lot of shy Trump voters out there and I still think there will be. He's as toxic as a very toxic thing, much more so now than he was in 2016, especially since the whole BLM and Antifa stuff started kicking off. He still paints himself as the American patriot however and the only option if America is to stay a land of the free and we all know what Americans are like for all of that stuff!
When Trump voters are being called fascists, racists and white supremacists etc you've got to wonder how many out there are keeping hush about who they're actually going to vote for....
captain_cynic said:
The Trump voter isn't being called these things... Trump is because demonstrates that he is these things.
I've said it before, the shy Trump voter/silent majority is a myth. Trump voters are never shy or silent and that is one of the many things turning moderate voters (the closest thing you'll get to shy/silent majorities) against Trump.
Silent majorities... The concept that a large number of people are holding secret opinions because it's unpopular.... That is called a paradox, if a majority is holding the opinion then it's not unpopilar.
All of this shy voter/silent majority shtick is just magical thinking.
Trump realistically never had a chance of re-election because he didn't win by a large majority. He barely scrapped over the line in 3 states to get enough EC votes to become president. With most incumbents they lose votes in subsequent elections, for many reasons. Trump only has to lose 80,000 to lose those states. That is before coronavirus, his impeachment, open corruption, et al.
Even worse, he risks losing what we're previously considered safe Republican states.
I think a lot of moderate rusted on Republicans are simply planning not to vote. They can't vote for Trump and won't vote for Biden.
We'll see what happens next month....I've said it before, the shy Trump voter/silent majority is a myth. Trump voters are never shy or silent and that is one of the many things turning moderate voters (the closest thing you'll get to shy/silent majorities) against Trump.
Silent majorities... The concept that a large number of people are holding secret opinions because it's unpopular.... That is called a paradox, if a majority is holding the opinion then it's not unpopilar.
All of this shy voter/silent majority shtick is just magical thinking.
Trump realistically never had a chance of re-election because he didn't win by a large majority. He barely scrapped over the line in 3 states to get enough EC votes to become president. With most incumbents they lose votes in subsequent elections, for many reasons. Trump only has to lose 80,000 to lose those states. That is before coronavirus, his impeachment, open corruption, et al.
Even worse, he risks losing what we're previously considered safe Republican states.
I think a lot of moderate rusted on Republicans are simply planning not to vote. They can't vote for Trump and won't vote for Biden.
Rick_1138 said:
Polls were in a similar state last time where Hilary 'couldn't lose'. I'll wait till the 4th to see what happens.
That has been covered to death. It was due to Comey and But Her Emails 10 days before the election. Trump's trying the same trick with Hunter Biden and that is falling flat because now everyone is painfully aware of the shyster he is. My major concern is how far he'll go to rig the election and what other tricks he has. Trump hasn't been shy about his sabotage thus far (having Dejoy dismantle mail sorting machines, voter disenfrancisement, reducing polling places, poll watchers, so on and so forth).
Trump can't win it... He might still be able to steal it.
Mr E said:
Even if he loses (as surely he must?), there’s a couple of months of ‘transition’ before the new president is sworn in.
I suspect that should he loose, at that moment he will actually probably become effectively powerless.The GOP wil limmediately wash their hands of him, especially if they have also lost a lot of seats, and i suspect that hundreds of normal people i his "team" (and i use the word advisedly) will simply stop doing anything. There are the people, the career dimplomats, advisors, policymakers, people he has basically slighted and insulted, who despite being Republicans will think "sod this" at the first opportunity. And then, Trump will just be an angry old man on twitter, despite nominally still being the POTUS......
captain_cynic said:
That has been covered to death. It was due to Comey and But Her Emails 10 days before the election. Trump's trying the same trick with Hunter Biden and that is falling flat because now everyone is painfully aware of the shyster he is.
My major concern is how far he'll go to rig the election and what other tricks he has. Trump hasn't been shy about his sabotage thus far (having Dejoy dismantle mail sorting machines, voter disenfrancisement, reducing polling places, poll watchers, so on and so forth).
Trump can't win it... He might still be able to steal it.
I dunno. I watched a podcast featuring Douglas Murray who is covering the election for the spectator. He said he believed there were many shy Trumpers out there, who only admitted it in private to him.My major concern is how far he'll go to rig the election and what other tricks he has. Trump hasn't been shy about his sabotage thus far (having Dejoy dismantle mail sorting machines, voter disenfrancisement, reducing polling places, poll watchers, so on and so forth).
Trump can't win it... He might still be able to steal it.
captain_cynic said:
That has been covered to death. It was due to Comey and But Her Emails 10 days before the election. Trump's trying the same trick with Hunter Biden and that is falling flat because now everyone is painfully aware of the shyster he is.
My major concern is how far he'll go to rig the election and what other tricks he has. Trump hasn't been shy about his sabotage thus far (having Dejoy dismantle mail sorting machines, voter disenfrancisement, reducing polling places, poll watchers, so on and so forth).
Trump can't win it... He might still be able to steal it.
I can well envisage him being marched out of the WH at gunpoint.My major concern is how far he'll go to rig the election and what other tricks he has. Trump hasn't been shy about his sabotage thus far (having Dejoy dismantle mail sorting machines, voter disenfrancisement, reducing polling places, poll watchers, so on and so forth).
Trump can't win it... He might still be able to steal it.
That should be quite a sight.
s2art said:
captain_cynic said:
That has been covered to death. It was due to Comey and But Her Emails 10 days before the election. Trump's trying the same trick with Hunter Biden and that is falling flat because now everyone is painfully aware of the shyster he is.
My major concern is how far he'll go to rig the election and what other tricks he has. Trump hasn't been shy about his sabotage thus far (having Dejoy dismantle mail sorting machines, voter disenfrancisement, reducing polling places, poll watchers, so on and so forth).
Trump can't win it... He might still be able to steal it.
I dunno. I watched a podcast featuring Douglas Murray who is covering the election for the spectator. He said he believed there were many shy Trumpers out there, who only admitted it in private to him.My major concern is how far he'll go to rig the election and what other tricks he has. Trump hasn't been shy about his sabotage thus far (having Dejoy dismantle mail sorting machines, voter disenfrancisement, reducing polling places, poll watchers, so on and so forth).
Trump can't win it... He might still be able to steal it.
"Many people say" but in private... Magical thinking.
I've met Trump voters who are still Trump voters... They aren't shy about it in the least.
I know Trump voters who are no longer Trump voters. They also arent shy, but a little more contrite to say the least.
Americans value free speech above all else... As such, are not a quiet people and never in history has it been easier to voice an anonynous opinion. Unlike here, they don't really have the "hold your nose and vote" kind of voter.
s2art said:
I dunno. I watched a podcast featuring Douglas Murray who is covering the election for the spectator. He said he believed there were many shy Trumpers out there, who only admitted it in private to him.
Is it just as likely that there are those who don't want to vote for him who state firmly, in bars and factories, that they are going to vote for babies and guns, and then opt for Biden? Even those with red necks will want to appear as one of the boys.Max_Torque said:
Mr E said:
Even if he loses (as surely he must?), there’s a couple of months of ‘transition’ before the new president is sworn in.
I suspect that should he loose, at that moment he will actually probably become effectively powerless.The GOP wil limmediately wash their hands of him, especially if they have also lost a lot of seats, and i suspect that hundreds of normal people i his "team" (and i use the word advisedly) will simply stop doing anything. There are the people, the career dimplomats, advisors, policymakers, people he has basically slighted and insulted, who despite being Republicans will think "sod this" at the first opportunity. And then, Trump will just be an angry old man on twitter, despite nominally still being the POTUS......
Because he will need to sign an executive order every hour until January to push through the final bits of the GOP agenda in time.
p1stonhead said:
Nope. He will become more powerful than ever for 2 months until Biden gets sworn in.
Because he will need to sign an executive order every hour until January to push through the final bits of the GOP agenda in time.
Can Biden just cancel them all in January?Because he will need to sign an executive order every hour until January to push through the final bits of the GOP agenda in time.
4 months for the last volume to get to 500 pages! A record? I suspect this one will go quicker, especially if Trump steals the election (he can't win legitimately, surely,and he knows it)
Blackpuddin said:
p1stonhead said:
Nope. He will become more powerful than ever for 2 months until Biden gets sworn in.
Why the hell do they have this two month transition? It's almost as if the system was designed to be abused. It's to allow the government to continue functioning whilst the transition of power occurs.
Here in the UK if Boris were to call an election tomorrow the govt would immediately go into caretaker mode whilst parliament disbands, meaning no new policies can be made, so all govt depts are in a change freeze and continue to operate under existing policies and rules.
The US doesn't do this, although a president is not meant to make changes leading up to an election that is a tradition rather than a law (and we all know how much respect Trump has for either). So the transition is where departments get a chance to prepare for the new administration without interference from the old one.
That is my understanding. Happy to sit corrected though.
p1stonhead said:
Nope. He will become more powerful than ever for 2 months until Biden gets sworn in.
Because he will need to sign an executive order every hour until January to push through the final bits of the GOP agenda in time.
I'm not so sure tbh.Because he will need to sign an executive order every hour until January to push through the final bits of the GOP agenda in time.
Exectutive orders once signed have to be expedited, and that takes people to do. If he looses, everyone will know the game is up, and i think (hope) a lot will say "TFFT" and drop him like a hot potato. All those spineless members of the GOP, who have backed him simply in order to stay in power will have to make a choice, irreversably sell their soul to the devil, or finally take the oportunity to act in a decent, moral way. And if the Dems take control of the senate, the GOP know that if they spend 2 months hurridly rushing though lots of dodgey stuff, then they have effectively opened the door to the dems doing just that, and MUCH MORE, immediately they are in power.
Whether or not the “shy” Trump voter is a genuine person or a figment of the collective imagination of the pollsters is irrelevant. The question is, are more people likely to vote for Trump this go around? Since as pointed out above, any significant number fewer and he is toast.
Logically it seems hard to imagine that anybody who didn’t vote for Trump last time out will have seen what’s happened in the intervening four years and decided that he is their man. Furthermore a large proportion of the floating voters he attracted in 2016 swung his way because of who his opponent was. Adding that up suggests he will get fewer votes this time around so whilst this isn’t a prediction, it’s hard to imagine any outcome than a Trump loss.
Logically it seems hard to imagine that anybody who didn’t vote for Trump last time out will have seen what’s happened in the intervening four years and decided that he is their man. Furthermore a large proportion of the floating voters he attracted in 2016 swung his way because of who his opponent was. Adding that up suggests he will get fewer votes this time around so whilst this isn’t a prediction, it’s hard to imagine any outcome than a Trump loss.
Are some votes counted already, or do they just go by absentee ballots collected by each party ? I'm sure I've seen references to democrats being ahead "so far" in some areas ?
Either way, do the pollsters take those numbers in to account ?
I can believe that some republicans may not choose to vote this time, is there any analysis of democrats who decided not to vote for Hillary last time ? and if those people have been motivated to vote for Biden ?
Biden is still within a margin of error of getting Texas according to polls, some even say they are neck and neck. If he turns that one blue it'd be the first time since 1976 that the state elects a democrat to the white house. There should be caution though, as polls showed Clinton ahead in 2016.
If Trump does lose I think he'll suddenly become a very sick man, especially when he gets called to court. Presumably he'll have to find a new lawyer too as Guliani isn't looking too good at the moment.
Either way, do the pollsters take those numbers in to account ?
I can believe that some republicans may not choose to vote this time, is there any analysis of democrats who decided not to vote for Hillary last time ? and if those people have been motivated to vote for Biden ?
Biden is still within a margin of error of getting Texas according to polls, some even say they are neck and neck. If he turns that one blue it'd be the first time since 1976 that the state elects a democrat to the white house. There should be caution though, as polls showed Clinton ahead in 2016.
If Trump does lose I think he'll suddenly become a very sick man, especially when he gets called to court. Presumably he'll have to find a new lawyer too as Guliani isn't looking too good at the moment.
ScotHill said:
I watched the Giuliani scenes in the Borat movie (just because it was the banner ad this morning) and he is tucking his shirt in, not touching himself, even the audio description says this. He is, however, an old man alone in a hotel room with a 20 year old blonde who then accepts an invite to take their drinks into the bedroom where she untucks his shirt to take his microphone off while he's sitting on the bed, so he falls far short of the standards of the Pence School of Temptation Avoidance.
Baron-Cohen doesn't appear until near the end and is heavily disguised so there's little chance of him being recognised.
Borat says it was 'innocent sexy time'Baron-Cohen doesn't appear until near the end and is heavily disguised so there's little chance of him being recognised.
“I here to defend America’s Mayor, Rudolph Giuliani. What was an innocent sexy-time encounter between a consenting man and my 15-year-old daughter has been turned into something disgusting by fake news media.”
He continues: “I warn you – anyone else try this and Rudolph will not hesitate to reach into his legal briefs and whip out his su-penis."
https://twitter.com/i/status/1319431436550561792
kowalski655 said:
p1stonhead said:
Nope. He will become more powerful than ever for 2 months until Biden gets sworn in.
Because he will need to sign an executive order every hour until January to push through the final bits of the GOP agenda in time.
Can Biden just cancel them all in January?Because he will need to sign an executive order every hour until January to push through the final bits of the GOP agenda in time.
k ups alone!Then he will have to probably spend the rest of the year actually making sure things are functioning. There have probably been whole important departments whom have been playing solitaire for 4 years.
I wouldn’t want to be Biden. It’ll be horrendous to pick up the pieces.
I posted a trump 'meme' on facebook which got taken literally to mean I was a supporter and was absolutely appauled at some of the comments where people were insulting my apperance, investing my business, etc etc. I deleted it after a few hours and luckily it didn't cause any lasting effect but regardless I can see now why trump supporters will be stubborn to change their views - I can't imagine getting that amount of st daily!
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