45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 10)
Discussion
Gameface said:
hidetheelephants said:
won't be alone with a woman who isn't his wife.
Whereas Donald...https://extranewsfeed.com/trump-felt-paying-off-st...
She didn't accompany the donald to vote this time... can't think why. I mean in 2016, he had to check she voted correctly, as did his sons...
https://people.com/politics/donald-trump-couldnt-h...
Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 25th October 21:39
MX5Biologist said:
Its not known if he has tested positive, however, given CDC advice, with respect to his traveling plans, the outcome of a nasopharangeal test on the vice president is irrelevant. Key among the staff members testing positive are Zach Bauer and Marty Obst. Bauer is described as Pence's "body man", who job is to accompanyhis boss day and night. Obst is a political advisor, so would be expected to be particularly engaged with Pence at this time. It is widely known that daily testing of senior officials including the Vice President is based on the extremely suspect Abbott ID-Now test, which has an accuracy rate of around 50% (its an appropriate test in certain circumstances, it is absolutely the wrong test to use with aysymptomatic individuals. Further rtPCR testing appears to be available as well, perhaps every 3 days, with a 24-38 turnaround to be expected. The PCR test has a 30% false negative rate.
CDC policy is for anyone who has been in close contact with a confirmed positive test to remain at home for 14 days. The Whitehouse has interpreted his role as an essential personnel. The CDC's instructions for "essential critical workers" is to take a temperature before working, to wear a face mask at all times, and to distance as duties permit. Those who have been exposed to the virus, as Pence has been, must not (ie. an instruction, not a recommendation) not congregate in a break room or in crowded places. The CDC also requires employers of such individual to increase the air exchange in buildings where the person is working, and must increase the frequency of cleaning around said person.
The line of succession in the US government means that the Vice President is not essential to the functioning of government.
MX5BiologistCDC policy is for anyone who has been in close contact with a confirmed positive test to remain at home for 14 days. The Whitehouse has interpreted his role as an essential personnel. The CDC's instructions for "essential critical workers" is to take a temperature before working, to wear a face mask at all times, and to distance as duties permit. Those who have been exposed to the virus, as Pence has been, must not (ie. an instruction, not a recommendation) not congregate in a break room or in crowded places. The CDC also requires employers of such individual to increase the air exchange in buildings where the person is working, and must increase the frequency of cleaning around said person.
The line of succession in the US government means that the Vice President is not essential to the functioning of government.
Might be worth reappraising yourself with the latest data on Abbot IDNow test.
https://abbott.mediaroom.com/2020-10-07-Abbott-Rel...
Also
https://csb.mgh.harvard.edu/covid
AndrewCrown said:
MX5Biologist said:
Its not known if he has tested positive, however, given CDC advice, with respect to his traveling plans, the outcome of a nasopharangeal test on the vice president is irrelevant. Key among the staff members testing positive are Zach Bauer and Marty Obst. Bauer is described as Pence's "body man", who job is to accompanyhis boss day and night. Obst is a political advisor, so would be expected to be particularly engaged with Pence at this time. It is widely known that daily testing of senior officials including the Vice President is based on the extremely suspect Abbott ID-Now test, which has an accuracy rate of around 50% (its an appropriate test in certain circumstances, it is absolutely the wrong test to use with aysymptomatic individuals. Further rtPCR testing appears to be available as well, perhaps every 3 days, with a 24-38 turnaround to be expected. The PCR test has a 30% false negative rate.
CDC policy is for anyone who has been in close contact with a confirmed positive test to remain at home for 14 days. The Whitehouse has interpreted his role as an essential personnel. The CDC's instructions for "essential critical workers" is to take a temperature before working, to wear a face mask at all times, and to distance as duties permit. Those who have been exposed to the virus, as Pence has been, must not (ie. an instruction, not a recommendation) not congregate in a break room or in crowded places. The CDC also requires employers of such individual to increase the air exchange in buildings where the person is working, and must increase the frequency of cleaning around said person.
The line of succession in the US government means that the Vice President is not essential to the functioning of government.
MX5BiologistCDC policy is for anyone who has been in close contact with a confirmed positive test to remain at home for 14 days. The Whitehouse has interpreted his role as an essential personnel. The CDC's instructions for "essential critical workers" is to take a temperature before working, to wear a face mask at all times, and to distance as duties permit. Those who have been exposed to the virus, as Pence has been, must not (ie. an instruction, not a recommendation) not congregate in a break room or in crowded places. The CDC also requires employers of such individual to increase the air exchange in buildings where the person is working, and must increase the frequency of cleaning around said person.
The line of succession in the US government means that the Vice President is not essential to the functioning of government.
Might be worth reappraising yourself with the latest data on Abbot IDNow test.
https://abbott.mediaroom.com/2020-10-07-Abbott-Rel...
Also
https://csb.mgh.harvard.edu/covid
Squirrel.
Regardless whether Pence has a negative test or not. Even if that test process was 100% accurate, the CDC guidance is that if an individual has been in close contact with someone who has tested positive, they should isolate for 14 day.
The incubation period is such that a positive test may not occur in an individual until after 10days (perhaps more or less) after exposure.
Pence could be spreading without knowing so. To continue to potentially exposing others to a virus he may be carrying is reckless.
He could continue his VP duties from home.
Regardless whether Pence has a negative test or not. Even if that test process was 100% accurate, the CDC guidance is that if an individual has been in close contact with someone who has tested positive, they should isolate for 14 day.
The incubation period is such that a positive test may not occur in an individual until after 10days (perhaps more or less) after exposure.
Pence could be spreading without knowing so. To continue to potentially exposing others to a virus he may be carrying is reckless.
He could continue his VP duties from home.
Centurion07 said:
Anti-abortion, pro-gun, anti-same sex marriage Mike Pence that sold his soul to Trump who's wife works at an anti-LBGTQ school?
THAT guy?
No. He's as bad as the rest.
Trump is the Turd King but the republican party as a whole are pretty much despicable.
I think Pence is worse. At least with Trump you know his primary goal is to feel like people are impressed by him, and congratulate him self when the stock market goes up. THAT guy?
No. He's as bad as the rest.
Trump is the Turd King but the republican party as a whole are pretty much despicable.
Pence is the one with the ideology, one that Trump is happy to ride the coat tails of admittedly, but Pence is next level.
I think Trump the patriot is the funniest thing I have read today.
Byker28i said:
This is hardly prophetic of Mr Biden let me explain why.
In that report and please download it here https://www.ghsindex.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/2019-Global-Health-Security-Index.pdf
You will see the overall global ranking for the USA was 1/195.
Remember, this was pre-covid, Mr Biden could have been supportive about being no.1 , but no.. Mr Biden chose to tweet on the one part of that report where the USA did not lead. Namely it came joint 19th with Belgium on the Countries overall risk environment and country vulnerability to biological threats Index Score. . To put this into context Liechtenstein was no.1 on that measure with a score of 87.9 and the USA scored 78.2 .
The overall report did conclude National health security is fundamentally weak around the world. No country is fully prepared for epidemics or pandemics, and every country has important gaps to address.
Natrually Mr Biden's tweet may also be in the context of Trump's alleged firing of the Obama built pandemic response team (In response to Ebola) you can read about that here. not strictly true...
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-trump-...
Spending on Global Health Security has been at higher levels in the Trump administration 2018-2019 than any previous year. Bar 2017 where there must have been some balancing of the books for the Zika and Ebola outbreaks.
Please do not misunderstand this as some kind of praise for Trump's response to the pandemic, it is not.
MX5Biologist
Very true... Nothing really subsititutes the accuracy of PCR... many of these rapid tests are in rushed development/ on the fly efficacy.. but I do think the latest Abbott data, though not peer reviewed is showing improvements to previous data you quoted.. maybe a bit (:
Also agree on the asymptomatic issue.
Very true... Nothing really subsititutes the accuracy of PCR... many of these rapid tests are in rushed development/ on the fly efficacy.. but I do think the latest Abbott data, though not peer reviewed is showing improvements to previous data you quoted.. maybe a bit (:
Also agree on the asymptomatic issue.
AndrewCrown said:
Thank you Byker, this was a tweet from the former vice president in response to release of the the first Global Health Security (GHS) Index; a comprehensive assessment and benchmarking of health security and related capabilities across 195 countries. This is a well put together report by global experts. It was released October 24th 2019.
Symantics. it was a response to the Washington Post report on that report that said that even though the USA ranked first, none of the 195 countries was preparedBidens tweet
https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/11878292992079...
After an Ebola epidemic devastated West Africa in 2014, many countries took steps to boost their preparedness. But even as the risk of such outbreaks increases, no country — the United States included — is fully prepared to respond to a deliberate or accidental threat with the potential to wipe out humanity, according to a report assessing the efforts of 195 countries.
There needs to be a fundamental shift in understanding that biological catastrophes are a major peace and security risk, Cameron said. While health experts have long recognized those risks, finance ministers, heads of states and other decision-makers have not.
Biological threats are catastrophic, yet responsibility for them is “buried in the bowels of health ministries around the world,” Cameron said.
among the report’s other findings:
Only 15 percent of countries score in the highest tier for public confidence in government.
Only 3 percent show a commitment to prioritizing services for health-care workers who become sick as a result of participating in a public health response.
89 percent of countries do not demonstrate that they have a system for dispensing medical countermeasures during health emergencies.
92 percent of countries do not show evidence of requiring security checks for personnel with access to dangerous biological materials or toxins.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/10/24/n...
So I would suggest you were cherry picking to support your argument of "i'm not a trump supporter but", and it was a valid thing to bring up on the anniversary of the tweet.
Coronavirus cases surged in trumps wake after his recent rallys in at least five places.
As President Donald Trump jetted across the country holding campaign rallies during the past two months, he didn’t just defy state orders and federal health guidelines. He left a trail of coronavirus outbreaks in his wake.
The president has participated in nearly three dozen rallies since mid-August, all but two at airport hangars. A USA TODAY analysis shows COVID-19 cases grew at a faster rate than before after at least five of those rallies in the following counties: Blue Earth, Minnesota; Lackawanna, Pennsylvania; Marathon, Wisconsin; Dauphin, Pennsylvania; and Beltrami, Minnesota.
Together, those counties saw 1,500 more new cases in the two weeks following Trump’s rallies than the two weeks before – 9,647 cases, up from 8,069.
Public health officials additionally have linked 16 cases, including two hospitalizations, with the rally in Beltrami County, Minnesota, and one case with the rally in Marathon County, Wisconsin. Outside of the counties identified by USA TODAY with a greater case increase after rallies, officials identified four cases linked to Trump rallies.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/...
Duluth officials insisted on following health guidelines for Trump's Sept. rally. The campaign made commitments it didn't keep.
"It's really hard to stand up to a president who insists on holding an event that puts the health of your community at risk."
In the days leading up to the Sept. 30 event in Duluth, Minn., local officials had privately pressed the campaign to abide by state public health guidelines aimed at slowing the spread of the novel coronavirus, documents show. In response, the campaign signed an agreement pledging to follow those rules, limiting attendance to 250 people.
On the day of the rally, however, Trump supporters flooded onto the tarmac at Duluth International Airport. They stood shoulder to shoulder, many without masks.
“We have been notified that the 250 person limit has been exceeded,” an airport representative emailed a campaign official late that afternoon. “This email serves as our notice of a contract violation and we are requesting you remedy the situation.”
The warning went unheeded — and unanswered.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/trum...
As President Donald Trump jetted across the country holding campaign rallies during the past two months, he didn’t just defy state orders and federal health guidelines. He left a trail of coronavirus outbreaks in his wake.
The president has participated in nearly three dozen rallies since mid-August, all but two at airport hangars. A USA TODAY analysis shows COVID-19 cases grew at a faster rate than before after at least five of those rallies in the following counties: Blue Earth, Minnesota; Lackawanna, Pennsylvania; Marathon, Wisconsin; Dauphin, Pennsylvania; and Beltrami, Minnesota.
Together, those counties saw 1,500 more new cases in the two weeks following Trump’s rallies than the two weeks before – 9,647 cases, up from 8,069.
Public health officials additionally have linked 16 cases, including two hospitalizations, with the rally in Beltrami County, Minnesota, and one case with the rally in Marathon County, Wisconsin. Outside of the counties identified by USA TODAY with a greater case increase after rallies, officials identified four cases linked to Trump rallies.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/...
Duluth officials insisted on following health guidelines for Trump's Sept. rally. The campaign made commitments it didn't keep.
"It's really hard to stand up to a president who insists on holding an event that puts the health of your community at risk."
In the days leading up to the Sept. 30 event in Duluth, Minn., local officials had privately pressed the campaign to abide by state public health guidelines aimed at slowing the spread of the novel coronavirus, documents show. In response, the campaign signed an agreement pledging to follow those rules, limiting attendance to 250 people.
On the day of the rally, however, Trump supporters flooded onto the tarmac at Duluth International Airport. They stood shoulder to shoulder, many without masks.
“We have been notified that the 250 person limit has been exceeded,” an airport representative emailed a campaign official late that afternoon. “This email serves as our notice of a contract violation and we are requesting you remedy the situation.”
The warning went unheeded — and unanswered.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/trum...
Edited by Byker28i on Monday 26th October 06:31
Former FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb: Mike Pence is putting others at risk by continuing to campaign after several aides tested positive for COVID-19. He says the White House needs to be "very explicit about the risks that they're taking."
over 80,000 new cases in each of the last two days, Meadows says they have no plan to deal with it
https://www.axios.com/scott-gottlieb-pence-coronav...
Remember five of Pences staff have now tested positive, including his chief of staff, his bodyguard, his political advisor...
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/pence...
Edit:
Mike Pence’s “body man” Zach Bauer is one of the people who has tested positive for coronavirus.
CNN has learned Zach Bauer, Pence's "body man," is one of the staffers who has tested positive for coronavirus. In his role, Bauer's job is to accompany the VP throughout the day and night helping him with a wide range of duties, putting him in close proximity to Pence.
https://twitter.com/AnaCabrera/status/132043415671...
"Several people said they believed Mr. Meadows was trying to keep the situation from becoming public so close to Election Day. Mr. Meadows has indicated to people that he was doing what the president wanted.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/25/us/politics/pen...
over 80,000 new cases in each of the last two days, Meadows says they have no plan to deal with it
https://www.axios.com/scott-gottlieb-pence-coronav...
Remember five of Pences staff have now tested positive, including his chief of staff, his bodyguard, his political advisor...
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/pence...
Edit:
Mike Pence’s “body man” Zach Bauer is one of the people who has tested positive for coronavirus.
CNN has learned Zach Bauer, Pence's "body man," is one of the staffers who has tested positive for coronavirus. In his role, Bauer's job is to accompany the VP throughout the day and night helping him with a wide range of duties, putting him in close proximity to Pence.
https://twitter.com/AnaCabrera/status/132043415671...
"Several people said they believed Mr. Meadows was trying to keep the situation from becoming public so close to Election Day. Mr. Meadows has indicated to people that he was doing what the president wanted.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/25/us/politics/pen...
Edited by Byker28i on Monday 26th October 07:07
Infuriated by the FDA’s defiance in a showdown over the Trump administration’s standards for authorizing a coronavirus vaccine, health secretary Alex Azar has spent recent weeks openly plotting the ouster of FDA chief Stephen Hahn.
Azar has vented to allies within the Health and Human Services Department about his unhappiness with the top official in charge of the vaccine process, and discussed the prospect of seeking White House permission to remove him, a half-dozen current and former administration officials said.
During some of those conversations, he’s gone as far as to float potential replacements for Hahn, said one current and two former administration officials familiar with the talks, identifying HHS testing czar Brett Giroir and a pair of career civil servants – FDA Principal Deputy Commissioner Amy Abernethy and longtime regulator Janet Woodcock — as prime candidates to step in as acting commissioner should Hahn be removed.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/22/azar-plan...
Don'tlike the truth, sack the people and replace them with lackeys, something the trump administration has repeatedly done.
Azar has vented to allies within the Health and Human Services Department about his unhappiness with the top official in charge of the vaccine process, and discussed the prospect of seeking White House permission to remove him, a half-dozen current and former administration officials said.
During some of those conversations, he’s gone as far as to float potential replacements for Hahn, said one current and two former administration officials familiar with the talks, identifying HHS testing czar Brett Giroir and a pair of career civil servants – FDA Principal Deputy Commissioner Amy Abernethy and longtime regulator Janet Woodcock — as prime candidates to step in as acting commissioner should Hahn be removed.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/22/azar-plan...
Don'tlike the truth, sack the people and replace them with lackeys, something the trump administration has repeatedly done.
What a time, when the AMA have to issue a statement saying the Potus is lying about doctors and the counting of CV-19 cases
AMA
@AmerMedicalAssn
Let’s be clear, physicians are not inflating the number of #COVID19 patients
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/...
Edit:
General Barry McCaffrey tweeted“This is a Trump combination of dangerous ignorance and utter lack of integrity. Simply an incredible failure of leadership which is directly leading to the deaths of tens of thousands. How can any American tolerate his corruption.”
https://twitter.com/mccaffreyr3/status/13202446579...
AMA
@AmerMedicalAssn
Let’s be clear, physicians are not inflating the number of #COVID19 patients
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/...
Edit:
General Barry McCaffrey tweeted“This is a Trump combination of dangerous ignorance and utter lack of integrity. Simply an incredible failure of leadership which is directly leading to the deaths of tens of thousands. How can any American tolerate his corruption.”
https://twitter.com/mccaffreyr3/status/13202446579...
Edited by Byker28i on Monday 26th October 07:02
anonymous said:
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It was a failed response from "I don't support trump but" Andrew. Biden was responding the the WP report that said "no country — the United States included — is fully prepared to respond to a deliberate or accidental threat with the potential to wipe out humanity, according to a report assessing the efforts of 195 countries."
The Biden campaign are heavily pushing their Samual L jackson ad about voter suppression at prime time across many states
“I’m exercising my right to vote, and you should too. Not because I want you to, but because He doesn’t.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yJa3b6lrdA
“I’m exercising my right to vote, and you should too. Not because I want you to, but because He doesn’t.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yJa3b6lrdA
CBS Aired the 60 minutes interview yesterday with trump, the one he walked out of
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/president-trump-vice...
It isn't good for trump, Lesley Stahl questions weren’t all that tough, just questions about his record and his own past statements that he got completely flustered over, whining continuously about how tough and unfair the questions were, how unfair the media were to him etc
CNN posted a comparison of the 60 minutes interviews between Biden and trump.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/media/2020/10/26/tr...
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/president-trump-vice...
It isn't good for trump, Lesley Stahl questions weren’t all that tough, just questions about his record and his own past statements that he got completely flustered over, whining continuously about how tough and unfair the questions were, how unfair the media were to him etc
CNN posted a comparison of the 60 minutes interviews between Biden and trump.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/media/2020/10/26/tr...
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