45th President of the United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 10)

[captain_cynic]

Kinky said:

Let me guess ..... Some deep state conspiracy to hide the truth?

Is it just me or does "deep state" still sound like the name of a porno.

[Byker28i]

I have never hidden my admiration for Ted Lieu

Ted Lieu
@tedlieu
US House candidate, CA-33
I stole Tucker Carlson’s trove of documents.

Awww, just kidding. Of course a major news network wouldn’t have scanned those documents first right? Or make a copy? Nope. They sent their only copy through the mail. If you believe that, then I have a bridge to sell you.




TRUMP: "In California, you have a special mask. You cannot under any circumstances take it off. You have to eat through the mask. Right, right, Charlie? It's a very complex mechanism. And they don't realize those germs, they go through it like nothing."
https://twitter.com/i/status/1321548174427852801

Ted Lieu
@tedlieu
US House candidate, CA-33
Dear @realDonaldTrump: We have the magical CA mask that let’s you eat right through it.

Awww, just kidding. We wear masks in public & take them off when eating.

Also, where do you get your batst crazy ideas? As @POTUS, you have access to the best info in the world. Use it.

[Pieman68]

Byker28i said:

LOL the hypocracy

Kayleigh McEnany
@PressSec
US government account
· 11h
PROOF: Miles Taylor, who now admits to being “Anonymous,” once told us he was NOT Anonymous. He LIED!

This is everything people hate about Washington — two-faced liars who push their own agendas at the expense of the People. This is the epitome of the swamp!

And the difference is in the video shown there he admits to the lie and gives a rational reason explaining it. IMHO I don't think he comes out of that CNN interview looking bad at all, he's owned the lie and given a rational and intelligent explanation as to why he did it

[Al Gorithum]

Must be just a coincidence but the similarities are striking:
A Facebook "friend" (noisy ignoramus of a Trump supporter) offered a £5k bet to another friend on a Trump victory.
The 2nd friend didn't have the money so I called the ignoramus out and accepted the bet. Monies to be sent to a trusted 3rd party.
He hasn't sent the money.

Who would have thought eh? Another Trump Bu11stter....

[Byker28i]

Al Gorithum said:

Must be just a coincidence but the similarities are striking:
A Facebook "friend" (noisy ignoramus of a Trump supporter) offered a £5k bet to another friend on a Trump victory.
The 2nd friend didn't have the money so I called the ignoramus out and accepted the bet. Monies to be sent to a trusted 3rd party.
He hasn't sent the money.

Who would have thought eh? Another Trump Bu11stter....

just following their beloved leader and never paying bills

remember, the trump campaign still owe cities from the 2016 campaign, never mind this one
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/city...

[Crafty_]

Argleton said:

Calm down. Christ, this place really brings out the pricks.

So show him wrong, post the betting slip. Its quite simple.

[Al Gorithum]

Byker28i said:

just following their beloved leader and never paying bills

remember, the trump campaign still owe cities from the 2016 campaign, never mind this one
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/city...

100% but what baffles me is that Trumpets generally (in my experience) seem to have relatively low education and income, yet seem to think that Trump is on their side. Oh hang on a minute, have I just answered the conundrum?...

[vaud]

Al Gorithum said:

100% but what baffles me is that Trumpets generally (in my experience) seem to have relatively low education and income, yet seem to think that Trump is on their side. Oh hang on a minute, have I just answered the conundrum?...

I know plenty of intelligent / well educated / senior execs that will vote for Trump as the low tax regime for high earners favours them. I wouldn't call them ardent supporters, but they would never vote Democrat and do hold on to an image of MAGA (as long as it makes them richer)

[stevesingo]

Byker28i said:

I have never hidden my admiration for Ted Lieu

Ted Lieu
@tedlieu
US House candidate, CA-33
I stole Tucker Carlson’s trove of documents.

Awww, just kidding. Of course a major news network wouldn’t have scanned those documents first right? Or make a copy? Nope. They sent their only copy through the mail. If you believe that, then I have a bridge to sell you.




TRUMP: "In California, you have a special mask. You cannot under any circumstances take it off. You have to eat through the mask. Right, right, Charlie? It's a very complex mechanism. And they don't realize those germs, they go through it like nothing."
https://twitter.com/i/status/1321548174427852801

Ted Lieu
@tedlieu
US House candidate, CA-33
Dear @realDonaldTrump: We have the magical CA mask that let’s you eat right through it.

Awww, just kidding. We wear masks in public & take them off when eating.

Also, where do you get your batst crazy ideas? As @POTUS, you have access to the best info in the world. Use it.

Surely the best response would be "I guess it wasn't such a good idea for the WH to fk the USPS".

[Al Gorithum]

vaud said:

I know plenty of intelligent / well educated / senior execs that will vote for Trump as the low tax regime for high earners favours them. I wouldn't call them ardent supporters, but they would never vote Democrat and do hold on to an image of MAGA (as long as it makes them richer)

Fair enough. Actually I do know some city boys who support him. Only for the stock-market gains though.

[paulguitar]

Argleton said:

[vaud]

Al Gorithum said:

Fair enough. Actually I do know some city boys who support him. Only for the stock-market gains though.

It's still terrifying though.

[Derek Smith]

vaud said:

I know plenty of intelligent / well educated / senior execs that will vote for Trump as the low tax regime for high earners favours them. I wouldn't call them ardent supporters, but they would never vote Democrat and do hold on to an image of MAGA (as long as it makes them richer)

Enlightened self interest. Turkeys voting for a vegetarian Xmas.

[zbc]

Byker28i said:

Miles Taylor, former Chief of Staff to Kirstjen Nielsen and Chad Wolf at DHS, confirms he is 'anonymous'.

I'm so sad and disappointed about this. I went to school with one of the many people who were at one time or another suspected of being 'anonymous'. It was my one chance of getting to post on the thread about tenuous links to famous people and now they've blown it. Still maybe that means they'll be back in 4 years time running someone's campaign and I'll get another chance then.

[deckster]

Derek Smith said:

vaud said:

I know plenty of intelligent / well educated / senior execs that will vote for Trump as the low tax regime for high earners favours them. I wouldn't call them ardent supporters, but they would never vote Democrat and do hold on to an image of MAGA (as long as it makes them richer)

Enlightened self interest. Turkeys voting for a vegetarian Xmas.

And I can respect that. Voting because you personally will be better off, and screw everybody else, is a perfectly rational if not entirely noble position.

It's the "lock her up", "drain the swamp", "Biden's a criminal", "Trump's my kind of guy" crowd that terrify me as their motivations are far less clear. Whether they actually believe that Trump is looking out for them, whether they find a kindred spirit in what he says and does, or whether they are simply terrified of Reds under the bed - their thought processes are so far removed from mine that I truly cannot find any empathy or common ground.

[Blackpuddin]

They are one level up from zombies and they appear to be brainwashing their kids.

[Byker28i]

deckster said:

Derek Smith said:

vaud said:

I know plenty of intelligent / well educated / senior execs that will vote for Trump as the low tax regime for high earners favours them. I wouldn't call them ardent supporters, but they would never vote Democrat and do hold on to an image of MAGA (as long as it makes them richer)

Enlightened self interest. Turkeys voting for a vegetarian Xmas.

And I can respect that. Voting because you personally will be better off, and screw everybody else, is a perfectly rational if not entirely noble position.

It's the "lock her up", "drain the swamp", "Biden's a criminal", "Trump's my kind of guy" crowd that terrify me as their motivations are far less clear. Whether they actually believe that Trump is looking out for them, whether they find a kindred spirit in what he says and does, or whether they are simply terrified of Reds under the bed - their thought processes are so far removed from mine that I truly cannot find any empathy or common ground.

Just look at the recent revelations about Kushner, knew how bad the pandemic was, yet played the political game, assuming a vaccine/cure/something would prevail and so they could claim trump as the saviour. 8m infected, 230k dead, economy trashed whilst they played games to make trump look good.

All whilst rinsing their WH positions to make as much money personally as possible...

Leaving their supporters 4 miles from their cars in freezing conditions just sums up their whole attitude.

As someone said, if you don't recognise the con, then you're the mark

[Al Gorithum]

I saw this today posted by a wounded US ex-serviceman, which I thought was articulate and enlightening:

"Physical therapy this morning, 30 minutes into a treadmill that's kicking my ass, doctor comes in:

"I see you're a political writer. What do you think is going to happen when Trump wins? You think there's going to be violence from these far-left liberals?"

Blood Pressure cuff: BEEP! BEEP! BEEP!

Note: He's not my doctor. He's just the older MD (emeritus, I think) who teaches some supplemental classes on cardio exercise once every few weeks. He's fine for that. I sat in on his class today and it was fine, I learned some things to make my workout better. So please save the "Get a new Doc, STAT!" advice. Thanks.

This isn't about that.

He came into the gym area after the class where I was working out under the guidance of an exercise physiologist (the PT staff are excellent, professional, and if the insurance company wants to pay for me to go to the gym 3 times a week with a personal trainer and medical people to monitor my health, well, you know, I'm damned well going to do that). He just really wanted to talk about politics. Wanted my opinion, given my profession. I don't think there was any malice in it (beyond the malice of the ideology itself, that is).

The interesting part is that he admitted Trump was a terrible person, uncouth, uneducated, crude, rude, obnoxious, ignorant. BUT, (and here's the important part, so pay attention) the doc was strongly pro-life and even if Trump isn't (a possibility the doc admitted) Trump STILL appointed the pro-life Justices this guy wants.

And THAT's what matters to him.

More, the doctor felt like Trump is really sticking it to China which is apparently important to this guy. He feels like foreign nations have been really taking advantage of America and he's glad to see Trump "doing something about it," even if he's not exactly sure what that "something" is. Also, Trump hates the UN and NATO, which is apparently important to this guy, because he thinks those organizations are also taking advantage of America, even if he can't quite articulate exactly how. But he's glad to see Trump "standing up" to them. Putting America first.

He thinks Biden is a "socialist." And too old for the job. And that's where I laughed and I said, Oh, come ON, Doc. You've got to be older than he is! (and the RN and the Exercise Physiologist both tried, unsuccessfully I thought, to stifle their laughter behind their masks). And the doctor admitted he was older than Biden but felt he was in better cognitive health. I shrugged, anything I said at that point would have just been mean.

The doctor also specifically mentioned that Biden was sympathetic to LGBT rights, something he obviously opposed. He mentioned trans people at least twice.

I said I served my country in uniform so that ALL people would have the same rights. He changed the subject.

Now, this guy is a doctor. He's not stupid. But he comes from a specific culture. He's older. He's white. He's straight. He's from a traditionally conservative profession (remember, it's The South). And even though he thinks Trump is a scumbag (he specifically used that word "scumbag") he's still a Trump supporter because his idea of America is that culture, white, straight, conservative and he's absolutely convinced Joe Biden (and by extension, the political party Biden represents) is the enemy of that version of America.

He's terrified of change.

See, politics aren't about logic, they're about perception. And very often they are about fear, fear of the other, fear of some nebulous unnamed dread, and most of all: fear of change.

That's what conservatism IS, fear of change. By definition.

That's why conservatives were so utterly terrified of Obama's campaign slogan. Hope and Change. Change?! Change?! They didn't even ask what that meant, because any change is automatically terrible. Terrifying. It's GOT to be communism or fascism or socialism or SOMETHING BAD. Don't even know what it is, but if it's change, it's terrifying.

That's what drives their entire ideology. That fundamental thing right there, fear of change.

This guy? He's not unusual. He's well educated. Reasonably intelligent. Skilled at his profession. But none of that matters when it comes to politics. He knows Trump is a scumbag, his words, but that doesn't matter. What matters is his perception of the world -- and TRUMP, well, that's where Trump excels. Trump plays to those fears, that fear of change. That idea of conservatism.

That's why you have to show up.

That's why you can't afford to throw your vote away.

That's why the polls don't matter.

That's why any lead by your candidate before the election doesn't matter.

That's why logic and reason and rational discourse don't matter, or don't matter as much as they should.

Because politics aren't about any of that.

They are about perception.

This guy is going to show up and he's going to vote for Trump even though he doesn't want to.

You?

You're not voting for a person.

You're not voting for a political party.

You're voting for a better world.

You're voting for a world where change is seen as progress, not something to fear.

You're voting because if you don't, then this guy and his fear are what will determine YOUR future.

You want a better nation, be a better citizen."

[paulguitar]

deckster said:

Derek Smith said:

vaud said:

I know plenty of intelligent / well educated / senior execs that will vote for Trump as the low tax regime for high earners favours them. I wouldn't call them ardent supporters, but they would never vote Democrat and do hold on to an image of MAGA (as long as it makes them richer)

Enlightened self interest. Turkeys voting for a vegetarian Xmas.

And I can respect that. Voting because you personally will be better off, and screw everybody else, is a perfectly rational if not entirely noble position.

I don't respect it, it's selling out in a really cynical way. Even if one was better off under trump (and I actually think there is a lot of doubt that will be the case longterm), just how shallow would one have to be to think it was worth it to be humiliated daily by having him as your representative?

[Blackpuddin]

paulguitar said:

deckster said:

Derek Smith said:

vaud said:

I know plenty of intelligent / well educated / senior execs that will vote for Trump as the low tax regime for high earners favours them. I wouldn't call them ardent supporters, but they would never vote Democrat and do hold on to an image of MAGA (as long as it makes them richer)

Enlightened self interest. Turkeys voting for a vegetarian Xmas.

And I can respect that. Voting because you personally will be better off, and screw everybody else, is a perfectly rational if not entirely noble position.

I don't respect it, it's selling out in a really cynical way. Even if one was better off under trump (and I actually think there is a lot of doubt that will be the case longterm), just how shallow would one have to be to think it was worth it to be humiliated daily by having him as your representative?

It's the shallowness of thinking that short-term financial gain for some won't inevitably lead to division.